They arent Terrorists, cos they aint Muslims

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I think you need to reread what I said. It is a matter of simple comprehension. I never said all Muslims are terrorist, and Hitler and the KKK were what Jesus calls wolves in sheep’s clothing. In other words, they just called themselves Christians, but they did not know the Lord. As far as my being full of hate, let God judge between us. I never called you a fool, hateful person or an ignoramus. It is written, "You shall give account for very idle word spoken before God"

I read exactly what you said and what you did was say clearly that it could not be honestly said that true Muslims were not terrorists! Yes, I did call you an ignoramus because the definition is one that doesn't know.

God will judge you, be sure of that. I formed my opinions by the words you typed for everyone to see. And I will not sit back an allow you to refer to Muslims as terrorists while you dismiss the deplorable behavior of some Christians by saying "oh they're not really christians", but those muslims, yeah, they're really muslims. It's a double standard that comes from ignorance and hate.

I for one will not tolerate my brothers and sisters being slandered by an uneducated, non muslim who claims to know my faith better than I do. And if some Mod wants to delete posts that speak the truth, he can fill his boots and justify it in the end. I can assure you, I will always defend my brothers and sisters from slander.

May Allah, swt, guide you to truth. Ameen

Hana
 
I read exactly what you said and what you did was say clearly that it could not be honestly said that true Muslims were not terrorists! Yes, I did call you an ignoramus because the definition is one that doesn't know.

God will judge you, be sure of that. I formed my opinions by the words you typed for everyone to see. And I will not sit back an allow you to refer to Muslims as terrorists while you dismiss the deplorable behavior of some Christians by saying "oh they're not really christians", but those muslims, yeah, they're really muslims. It's a double standard that comes from ignorance and hate.

I for one will not tolerate my brothers and sisters being slandered by an uneducated, non muslim who claims to know my faith better than I do. And if some Mod wants to delete posts that speak the truth, he can fill his boots and justify it in the end. I can assure you, I will always defend my brothers and sisters from slander.

May Allah, swt, guide you to truth. Ameen

Hana

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Second on that! May Allah Ta'ala protect you from the demon of males and females!

Ameen!

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I read exactly what you said and what you did was say clearly that it could not be honestly said that true Muslims were not terrorists! Yes, I did call you an ignoramus because the definition is one that doesn't know.

God will judge you, be sure of that. I formed my opinions by the words you typed for everyone to see. And I will not sit back an allow you to refer to Muslims as terrorists while you dismiss the deplorable behavior of some Christians by saying "oh they're not really christians", but those muslims, yeah, they're really muslims. It's a double standard that comes from ignorance and hate.

I for one will not tolerate my brothers and sisters being slandered by an uneducated, non muslim who claims to know my faith better than I do. And if some Mod wants to delete posts that speak the truth, he can fill his boots and justify it in the end. I can assure you, I will always defend my brothers and sisters from slander.

May Allah, swt, guide you to truth. Ameen

Hana
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Please tell me you are not that incredibly ignorant to call yourself a Christian and make such a racist comment.

How do you know NO professing Christian is a terrorist. How dare you label all Muslims as terrorists. You're a complete ignoramus!

I sincerely hope you don't claim to represent Christianity with so much hate and ignorance in your heart. It's a disgrace to your chosen faith.

Listen well, Alapiana: I AM A MUSLIM, which I have already said before Allah, swt, and I have yet to kill one single, solitary human being. Can all your christian brothers in Iraq say the same. Can your Christian brothers in Uganda make that claim, how about Hitler, your christian brother that slaughtered millions, Jim Jones? David Koresh? The KKK?

Please get educated before you even attempt to dialogue with others about faith. You don't understand your faith don't even try to understand mine.

I said, I know that no true Christian is a terrorist. Can you say the same about a true Muslim? That is all. That is a fair question, because you know the Islam faith better than me. You are reading into my question stuff that isn't there or wasn't my intention. You could simply answer yes or no; instead, you are looking for trouble and thinking the worst.
If a Christian is walking in the light in fellowship with God, he would not be a terrorist. We are not talking about nominal Christians such as Hitler and his bunch, which is not of the present time. Do you understand now what I was trying to ask? I never got an answer from you only attacks on my character.
If you continue to attack me, I will not respond to you next time. Get a second opinion of the questions I am asking before you fly off the handle as you have obviously done.
 
Let me put it another way, the Christians such as Hitler and the KKK and all such like that commited terrorist acts are not true Christians to me. Are the Muslims that bombed the WTC true Muslims to you? In other words, do you believe they were doing Allah's biding? These are not attacks on Muslims or your brothers and sisters; they are simply fair questions.
 
I said, I know that no true Christian is a terrorist. Can you say the same about a true Muslim? That is all. That is a fair question, because you know the Islam faith better than me. You are reading into my question stuff that isn't there or wasn't my intention. You could simply answer yes or no; instead, you are looking for trouble and thinking the worst.
If a Christian is walking in the light in fellowship with God, he would not be a terrorist. We are not talking about nominal Christians such as Hitler and his bunch, which is not of the present time. Do you understand now what I was trying to ask? I never got an answer from you only attacks on my character.
If you continue to attack me, I will not respond to you next time. Get a second opinion of the questions I am asking before you fly off the handle as you have obviously done.

Your first comment:

Not all Muslims are terrorist, but it seems like most terrorist are Muslims these days. I know most Muslims do not identify with these terroist, but what are they doing to stop these few from over shadowing Islam in the eyes of the world?

I responded and asked what you were doing to prevent Christian terrorists from continuing what they are doing. I do recall telling you specifically about the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda and suggested you look them up for yourself. As a Muslim it is not the fault of the entire ummah that some Muslims fall outside the teachings of Islam. Just as it is not the fault of every Christian that the above terrorist group falls outside the true teachings of Christianity. The fact you asked what WE are doing to stop it is totally unfair especially considering it is the media and American/British government that focus on the few rather than the other 1.2 billion Muslims that try to live according to the true teachings of Islam. The question you need to ask is WHY the world is doing nothing to stop the slaughter of the citizens of Uganda by Christian Terrorists.

It's not a matter of attacking you at all. And, quite frankly, it doesn't effect me one way or another if you don't respond to me. I didn't necessarily attack your character, but did in fact question your lack of knowledge which is obvious by your own words. To even ask the question about what makes a true Muslim shows your lack of understanding and knowledge. You see, in Islam, if someone makes the proclamation of faith, they are a Muslim. Whether they are good, bad or indifferent is between them and Allah, swt. We are not in a position to judge. Most of us know what is outside the true teachings of Islam and would avoid that and avoid those that do it, but it doesn't mean I am a better Muslim. I don't know their heart. I don't know their intention. Only Allah, swt, knows that and judgment is for Him alone.

I never look for trouble. :) But, sometimes it falls in my lap and I will respond to inaccurate statements made about my faith. I don't have to look for 2nd opinions when I have the original words you wrote from the beginning of the thread. If you feel the need to back-track and rephrase something that came across differently than you intended, then you should do that. I fully understand the written word is often misunderstood, but the way it is written can't be taken any other way. And I will continue to "fly off the handle" and be very quick to respond when my faith and the sincerity my brothers and sisters is questioned. :)

Peace,
Hana
 
Let me put it another way, the Christians such as Hitler and the KKK and all such like that commited terrorist acts are not true Christians to me. Are the Muslims that bombed the WTC true Muslims to you? In other words, do you believe they were doing Allah's biding? These are not attacks on Muslims or your brothers and sisters; they are simply fair questions.

You see alapiana1, therein lies the difference. We fully accept true Muslims will not necessarily follow the true teachings of Islam 100% of the time, but it doesn't make them non-Muslim. They believe Allah, swt, is only one God and the only one worthy of worship and Muhammed is the messenger of Allah. That is a Muslim. Is blowing up innocent civilians taught in Islam, no. If someone does that and they are Muslim, then they are a Muslim behaving outside the true teachings of Islam.

The Lord's Resistance Army, Hitler, the KKK, etc., all believe they are following Christ, they all accept Jesus as their saviour, they ARE Christian. By the simple definition of "Christian" (one who follows Christ), they are every bit a Christian as you are. Are they outside the true teachings of Christian doctrine? Perhaps. But, they believe they are not. Would you associate with them? Probably not. But, that doesn't make them non-Christian.

Hana
 
You see alapiana1, therein lies the difference. We fully accept true Muslims will not necessarily follow the true teachings of Islam 100% of the time, but it doesn't make them non-Muslim. They believe Allah, swt, is only one God and the only one worthy of worship and Muhammed is the messenger of Allah. That is a Muslim. Is blowing up innocent civilians taught in Islam, no. If someone does that and they are Muslim, then they are a Muslim behaving outside the true teachings of Islam.

The Lord's Resistance Army, Hitler, the KKK, etc., all believe they are following Christ, they all accept Jesus as their saviour, they ARE Christian. By the simple definition of "Christian" (one who follows Christ), they are every bit a Christian as you are. Are they outside the true teachings of Christian doctrine? Perhaps. But, they believe they are not. Would you associate with them? Probably not. But, that doesn't make them non-Christian.

Hana

I see your point
 
I read exactly what you said and what you did was say clearly that it could not be honestly said that true Muslims were not terrorists! Yes, I did call you an ignoramus because the definition is one that doesn't know.

God will judge you, be sure of that. I formed my opinions by the words you typed for everyone to see. And I will not sit back an allow you to refer to Muslims as terrorists while you dismiss the deplorable behavior of some Christians by saying "oh they're not really christians", but those muslims, yeah, they're really muslims. It's a double standard that comes from ignorance and hate.

I for one will not tolerate my brothers and sisters being slandered by an uneducated, non muslim who claims to know my faith better than I do. And if some Mod wants to delete posts that speak the truth, he can fill his boots and justify it in the end. I can assure you, I will always defend my brothers and sisters from slander.

May Allah, swt, guide you to truth. Ameen

Hana

We need to clearify this. You said, "I read exactly what you said and what you did was say clearly that it could not be honestly said that true Muslims were not terrorists! Yes, I did call you an ignoramus because the definition is one that doesn't know." Where did I clearly say this? Show me in my words not yours.
 
We need to clearify this. You said, "I read exactly what you said and what you did was say clearly that it could not be honestly said that true Muslims were not terrorists! Yes, I did call you an ignoramus because the definition is one that doesn't know." Where did I clearly say this? Show me in my words not yours.

Uffff, how many times do you need to see it in print, alapiana1?? I was not the only one that took it that way. For the last time, it is here:

Not all Muslims are terrorist, but it seems like most terrorist are Muslims these days. I know most Muslims do not identify with these terroist, but what are they doing to stop these few from over shadowing Islam in the eyes of the world? and

You are right, there is no proof, but I know it in my heart by faith, because I know the Lord. Can you at least honestly say that you known your heart that no true Muslim is a terrorist before Allah?

If how this sounds is not what you meant...fine, just drop it and move on. If I over-reacted, I apologize. ok?

Back to topic??

Peace,
Hana
 
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Originally Posted by alapiana1
I said, I know that no true Christian is a terrorist. Can you say the same about a true Muslim? That is all. That is a fair question, because you know the Islam faith better than me. You are reading into my question stuff that isn't there or wasn't my intention. You could simply answer yes or no; instead, you are looking for trouble and thinking the worst.
If a Christian is walking in the light in fellowship with God, he would not be a terrorist. We are not talking about nominal Christians such as Hitler and his bunch, which is not of the present time. Do you understand now what I was trying to ask? I never got an answer from you only attacks on my character.
If you continue to attack me, I will not respond to you next time. Get a second opinion of the questions I am asking before you fly off the handle as you have obviously done.
Your first comment:
Not all Muslims are terrorist, but it seems like most terrorist are Muslims these days. I know most Muslims do not identify with these terroist, but what are they doing to stop these few from over shadowing Islam in the eyes of the world?
I responded and asked what you were doing to prevent Christian terrorists from continuing what they are doing. I do recall telling you specifically about the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda and suggested you look them up for yourself. As a Muslim it is not the fault of the entire ummah that some Muslims fall outside the teachings of Islam. Just as it is not the fault of every Christian that the above terrorist group falls outside the true teachings of Christianity. The fact you asked what WE are doing to stop it is totally unfair especially considering it is the media and American/British government that focus on the few rather than the other 1.2 billion Muslims that try to live according to the true teachings of Islam. The question you need to ask is WHY the world is doing nothing to stop the slaughter of the citizens of Uganda by Christian Terrorists.

It's not a matter of attacking you at all. And, quite frankly, it doesn't effect me one way or another if you don't respond to me. I didn't necessarily attack your character, but did in fact question your lack of knowledge which is obvious by your own words. To even ask the question about what makes a true Muslim shows your lack of understanding and knowledge. You see, in Islam, if someone makes the proclamation of faith, they are a Muslim. Whether they are good, bad or indifferent is between them and Allah, swt. We are not in a position to judge. Most of us know what is outside the true teachings of Islam and would avoid that and avoid those that do it, but it doesn't mean I am a better Muslim. I don't know their heart. I don't know their intention. Only Allah, swt, knows that and judgment is for Him alone.

I never look for trouble. :) But, sometimes it falls in my lap and I will respond to inaccurate statements made about my faith. I don't have to look for 2nd opinions when I have the original words you wrote from the beginning of the thread. If you feel the need to back-track and rephrase something that came across differently than you intended, then you should do that. I fully understand the written word is often misunderstood, but the way it is written can't be taken any other way. And I will continue to "fly off the handle" and be very quick to respond when my faith and the sincerity my brothers and sisters is questioned. :)

Peace,
Hana
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JazakAllah Khair
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Originally Posted by alapiana1
We need to clearify this. You said, "I read exactly what you said and what you did was say clearly that it could not be honestly said that true Muslims were not terrorists! Yes, I did call you an ignoramus because the definition is one that doesn't know." Where did I clearly say this? Show me in my words not yours.
Uffff, how many times do you need to see it in print, alapiana1?? I was not the only one that took it that way. For the last time, it is here:

Not all Muslims are terrorist, but it seems like most terrorist are Muslims these days. I know most Muslims do not identify with these terroist, but what are they doing to stop these few from over shadowing Islam in the eyes of the world? and

You are right, there is no proof, but I know it in my heart by faith, because I know the Lord. Can you at least honestly say that you known your heart that no true Muslim is a terrorist before Allah?

If how this sounds is not what you meant...fine, just drop it and move on. If I over-reacted, I apologize. ok?

Back to topic??

Peace,
Hana ___________
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:thumbs_uphang in there sister.

like I said before, let him have the last post every time otherwise he will do every thing possible to drive you up the wall.
including lying repititions. if all all else fails he'll go into sulk/pout mode and speak in parables

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This thread has become personal arguments. I doubt if it can return to the original topic so there is no need in prolonging it.


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