Differences between the Mujahideen and the 15 British Sailors

[NoName55]

1. Originally Posted by NoName55 Al Quaeda in Iraq? Y or N don't know, ask Mr. Bush, I understand him to have been quite intimate with their leader

   
   Huh? what are you on about? I'm talking about Zarqawi and friends.
   
   As for the others...it seems they are a mixed bag in your mind. Will you then foreswear the use of the term Mujahadeen to describe Hamas and Hezbollah?
   
   

   Originally Posted by NoName55
   Former Baathists? Y or N don't know, ask Mr. Bush, I understand him to have been quite intimate with their leader too

   That is unadulterated BS and you know it...well maybe you don't.

1. are you truly dim or deliberately trying to distort my post?
   Are you also ignorant of histories of Bush,hussain and osama families or upto tricks to distort facts?
   
   Bush senior was in charge of saddam in their CIA employment days
   osama family had business intrest in common with Bushes
   
   and look here http://www.islamicboard.com/709786-post12.html about my opinion on "hizbollah"
   
   I had never even heard of zaqawi until he was dead, I always took osama to be the leader of alqaeda

 

[- Qatada -]

I fail to see how it is out of context. May you can explain.
As far as deleting post, you need to do your task as you see fit.

The brother never implied that women are the enemies, however if one wanted to take it out of context and state that - then it is easy to do so.

And the reason why the brother mentioned women was because women don't need to go to war, he implied that it should be the men since a woman should be respected and honored, not placed in a warzone since she is a sister, mother, and someone who should be treated with care. He never implied they were cowards, and if you want that clarified - you can ask him.



Regards.

 

[SirZubair]

Do you believe the mujahideen do none of this?

A true Mujahideen won't, no.

A so called Mujahideen will, fo' sho'.

 

[wilberhum]

Fi_Sabilillah,
I feel you have taken his post out of context.

 

[Cognescenti]

are you truly dim or deliberately trying to distort my post?

No, I am being deliberately dim. I find this helpful when speaking to people with your way of thinking.

Are you also ignorant of histories of Bush,hussain and osama families or upto tricks to distort facts?

Bush senior was in charge of saddam in their CIA employment days
osama family had business intrest in common with Bushes

:rollseyes "In charge of Saddam"....oh that is rich. Say, you aren't reallly Michael Moore,are you?

I had never even heard of zaqawi until he was dead, I always took osama to be the leader of alqaeda

Not in Iraq. It's a 3 month journey by jack ass and dhow to send a message from his cave in Waziristan

 

[Talha777]

You show your true attitude about women.
You classify women with those that you classify as cowards.
How noble!

I am saying that our enemies are like women. Its a figure of speech, which is also why I called them cowards.

A real organization which does jihad without resorting to terrorism and suicide bombing is Lashkar-e-Taiba (Army of Purity), which is doing jihad in Kashmir to liberate the Muslims from facsist hindu nationalism.

 

[Trumble]

1.The British soldiers surrendered because they said they were outnumbered and out gunned and they had no choice and did the right thing.

The Mujahideen are fighting foreign occupation despite being outnumbered and outgunned they continue to fight and very rarely surrender.

The British were perfectly well aware both that their country is not at war with Iran, and that there are no prizes for starting one.

The Mujahideen kiss their wives, mothers and daughters goodbye and leave them at home to liberate their land and secure the future for their families.

Most so-called Mujahideen are no more liberating their land and securing the future for their families than the British and Americans are. Romantic tosh. Their objective is the acquisition of political power and the ability to force their will on other people. I will acknowledge there are exceptions, particularly the Chechens (I don't know much about Lashkar-e-Taiba I'm afraid).

Now the important question is which of these two sides will be victorious based on their principles The western Crusaders or the Muslim Mujahideen?

Neither will be "victorious", and even if they were it would have nothing to do with "principles". Nobody wins, but same people lose as always do, those who just want to get on with lives without bullets and bombs killing them, landmines blowing limbs off and other people telling them how best to lead their lives.

 

[MTAFFI]

^^ I like good ole trumble, smart person

 

[NoName55]

what is going on? that was going to be my closing post in this thread esp. "Neither will be victorious" and "same people lose, always"

and I voted it as terrible for i knew what it will provoke.

 

[Cognescenti]

I am saying that our enemies are like women. Its a figure of speech, which is also why I called them cowards.

A real organization which does jihad without resorting to terrorism and suicide bombing is Lashkar-e-Taiba (Army of Purity), which is doing jihad in Kashmir to liberate the Muslims from facsist hindu nationalism.

Talha...sometimes you are a real laugh riot


"our enemies are like women".....(not that there is anything wrong with that)


So that is it then, Lashkar-e-Taiba are the only true mujahadin?

Any other nominees? Last call for the true mujahid.

 

[SirZubair]

Of course! The way to do that is to slit the throats of Hindu babies! Good job! Sicko.

Is making idiotic statements a hobby or a habit?

As mentioned in the previous page :


“Do not kill any old person, any child, or any woman.” (Abu Dawud)

“Do not kill the monks in monasteries,” or “Do not kill the people who are sitting in places of worship.” (Musnad Ahmad)

Also check out these thread :

Not In The Name Of Our Religon

Interview - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

 

[wilberhum]

SirZubair,
Those are great concepts. There are many great concepts.
Sadly, concepts and reality seldom parallel.

 

[noodles]

SirZubair,
Those are great concepts. There are many great concepts.
Sadly, concepts and reality seldom parallel.

Yes those are great concepts and many adhere to them.

But my question to you is, How do you see reality? (Sorry mods for taking this off-topic)

Because reality can also be viewed from different angles and when people want to justify their actions, they will go to any extreme necessary.

like the Chinese say, "There are three truths. There's my truth, your truth and then the truth." If I'm unwilling to let go of my truth and you're unwilling to let go of your truth, we cannot see objectively this truth that's in the middle, between us.

 

[wilberhum]

Yes those are great concepts and many adhere to them.

But my question to you is, How do you see reality? (Sorry mods for taking this off-topic)

Because reality can also be viewed from different angles and when people want to justify their actions, they will go to any extreme necessary.

In my reality there are black, white, and 98 shades of gray.
Most here try to put everything in the black or white category and ignore the 98 shades of gray.
The Mujahid are not all good, nor they all bad.
Some of the Mujahid have killed innocent people; some would be dedicated good men.
Like most every group they will run the gamut of humanity.

 

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:


Well the main issue is that we don't accuse Islaam of being the cause to the problem since we've given you the Prophetic sayings. So please don't attack Islaam for the actions of others who may not put what was stated in the Prophetic sayings into practise.

 

[Cognescenti]

:salamext:


Well the main issue is that we don't accuse Islaam of being the cause to the problem since we've given you the Prophetic sayings. So please don't attack Islaam for the actions of others who may not put what was stated in the Prophetic sayings into practise.

Fair enough...but you do realize you have quite an uphill battle from a public relations standpoint because the perpetrators often cite Islam as their motivation.



Can we also then have a cease fire from "your side" on the idiotic America is evil because a dog barked at a naked guy at Abu Ghraib crowd? The US Constitution did not authorize their actions.

While we are at it. I hereby disavow, on behalf of all peoples living in Christian-majority countries, the actions of the real Crusaders....oh...what was that..8 centuries ago? They were not following the teachings of Christ.

 

[- Qatada -]

The christian crusaders also used christ as their 'example' ^ and we know that Bush himself stated that God told him to wage war.

Anyway, if we agree that what certain people do isn't part of our religion - then we simply dont need to argue over that, since we both agree to that concept.


Which means this discussion doesn't need to expand any further.


Regards.