Creationists dealt a blow

[جوري]

now thats not very nice is it? its no wonder you have no friends... maybe you can evolve one out of your elbow.

so they found one fish, theres still alot of missing evidence, key word is theory i.e it hasnt been proven, so id stop being so arrogant.

I doubt he'll spout one-- he is so far up his own crypts of morgagni--

 

[ranma1/2]

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so they found one fish, theres still alot of missing evidence, key word is theory i.e it hasnt been proven,.....

I would suggest learning more about what the word theory means in science.
theories can never be proven. We can be 99.9999 certain they are true but we can never prove a theory.

 

[root]

Originally Posted by Mr. Baldy
now thats not very nice is it? its no wonder you have no friends... maybe you can evolve one out of your elbow.

so they found one fish, theres still alot of missing evidence, key word is theory i.e it hasnt been proven, so id stop being so arrogant.

I call a spade a spade. Some folks don't like it when they suddenly realise people have a different world view. I stand by my words, his responses were literally dumb. Nice to see this thread go so far off topic...........

BTW, Since I was not refering to you, why do you feel the need to defend the person in question. Surely he can speak for himself! Or is it in fact you with more than 1 ID?

 

[جوري]

I suppose for the same reasons that compelled you to speak for your fellow atheist under the "evolution" thread... or are you projecting?

 

[root]

I suppose for the same reasons that compelled you to speak for your fellow atheist under the "evolution" thread... or are you projecting?

Your in my Iggie List............... :X

 

[جوري]

Your in my Iggie List............... :X

Oh boohoo--I really care......:rollseyes

 

[Pygoscelis]

Taking an Ape and transforming him into a human takes a dose of magic too...

The vital difference here being that evolutionists attempt to research and explain away any such magic. They try to explain how this occured through strictly natural means, and not some hocus pocus of a God figure.

 

[جوري]

I haven't read of any "natural means" that were actually verifiable beyond a reasonable doubt... I have already stated my concerns on where exactly evolution fails me, and don't care to resurrect a line of conversation that is already foreclosed...
When it comes down to it, both parties come pretty evenly matched... It just depends on which piecemeal story suits your fancy best! I don't find anything illogical in the Quran about the story of creation or our existence, that remotely hints at fairy tales... further more as evident by this verse

هُوَ الَّذِيَ أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْهُ آيَاتٌ مُّحْكَمَاتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ في قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَابَهَ مِنْهُ ابْتِغَاء الْفِتْنَةِ وَابْتِغَاء تَأْوِيلِهِ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ إِلاَّ اللّهُ وَالرَّاسِخُونَ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ آمَنَّا بِهِ كُلٌّ مِّنْ عِندِ رَبِّنَا وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلاَّ أُوْلُواْ الألْبَابِ {7}​

[Pickthal 3:7] He it is Who hath revealed unto thee the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.

That verse already speaks volumes to me, on what is a fundamental truth and what is meant in an allegorical sense..

A dear friend of mine is devoutly religious though not a Muslim-- and has a couple of doctorates, believes evolution to be the handy work of G-D-- I will not replace one gap with another on the account that it sounds better. To me the majority of evolutionists try by any means to disprove the existence of G-D.
If you put a couple of Apes to the back of us or in our future by some magic miracle it would still not explain away all this grandeur and intricacies... In its beginning and its end There will be Allah....
peace!

 

[lavikor201]

Oh boohoo--I really care......:rollseyes

Purest your hardcore!

The vital difference here being that evolutionists attempt to research and explain away any such magic. They try to explain how this occured through strictly natural means, and not some hocus pocus of a God figure.

Would you believe me if I told my iPod that I found was really formed after 1 billion years of evolution? I'm telling you, I found it in the middle of the desert!

 

[جوري]

Purest your hardcore!

Why, I thank you random kind stranger :-[

 

[lavikor201]

Why, I thank you random kind stranger :-[

lol, it was a compliment.

 

[جوري]

lol, it was a compliment.

I know.. and I have repped you for it

 

[lavikor201]

I know.. and I have repped you for it

Well I will just have to rep you back then.

 

[AB517]

I haven't read of any "natural means" that were actually verifiable beyond a reasonable doubt... I have already stated my concerns on where exactly evolution fails me, and don't care to resurrect a line of conversation that is already foreclosed...
When it comes down to it, both parties come pretty evenly matched... It just depends on which piecemeal story suits your fancy best! I don't find anything illogical in the Quran about the story of creation or our existence, that remotely hints at fairy tales... further more as evident by this verse

هُوَ الَّذِيَ أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْهُ آيَاتٌ مُّحْكَمَاتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ في قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَابَهَ مِنْهُ ابْتِغَاء الْفِتْنَةِ وَابْتِغَاء تَأْوِيلِهِ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ إِلاَّ اللّهُ وَالرَّاسِخُونَ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ آمَنَّا بِهِ كُلٌّ مِّنْ عِندِ رَبِّنَا وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلاَّ أُوْلُواْ الألْبَابِ {7}​

[Pickthal 3:7] He it is Who hath revealed unto thee the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.

That verse already speaks volumes to me, on what is a fundamental truth and what is meant in an allegorical sense..

A dear friend of mine is devoutly religious though not a Muslim-- and has a couple of doctorates, believes evolution to be the handy work of G-D-- I will not replace one gap with another on the account that it sounds better. To me the majority of evolutionists try by any means to disprove the existence of G-D.
If you put a couple of Apes to the back of us or in our future by some magic miracle it would still not explain away all this grandeur and intricacies... In its beginning and its end There will be Allah....
peace!

well put ... comes down to what you believe.

Only thing I disgree with this that evolutionist try diprove God. I think thats more of athist. I believe God made man ... I believe it looks like he did it through evolution. Thats it .. thats what I believe.

I agree totaly with your points here.
Nicely put too.

AB

 

[Mr. Baldy]

I call a spade a spade. Some folks don't like it when they suddenly realise people have a different world view. I stand by my words, his responses were literally dumb. Nice to see this thread go so far off topic...........

BTW, Since I was not refering to you, why do you feel the need to defend the person in question. Surely he can speak for himself! Or is it in fact you with more than 1 ID?

so rama1/2 u agree with me.

looks like someone has beef and u know theres only one civillised way to settle beef... yes a freestyle battle.

coz in islam we have the concept of brotherhood i dont know any of the brothers or sisters on this thread but im ready to die for them

 

[root]

Quote:
Originally Posted by root
I call a spade a spade. Some folks don't like it when they suddenly realise people have a different world view. I stand by my words, his responses were literally dumb. Nice to see this thread go so far off topic...........

BTW, Since I was not refering to you, why do you feel the need to defend the person in question. Surely he can speak for himself! Or is it in fact you with more than 1 ID?

Mr Baldy so rama1/2 u agree with me.

looks like someone has beef and u know theres only one civillised way to settle beef...

Beef?

yes a freestyle battle.

Sorry, break dancing went out in the 80's. mind u. Run DMC had some success a few years ago, but it quickly faded.

coz in islam we have the concept of brotherhood i dont know any of the brothers or sisters on this thread but im ready to die for them

Agreed, Adolf Hitler expressed a deep interest in Islam for the same reason. Thier apparent willingness to die so easily.

Way off topic though me thinks

 

[جوري]

Root, you should at least try to maintain some consistency. If we accept your claim that creationism is not a scientific theory, then no amount of evidence will ever deal a blow to creationism; no amount of 'transitional forms' will ever weaken creationism. It only would if creationism was a falsifiable scientific theory.

As for the discovery itself, this is nothing new and hardly differs from other species such as Eusthenopteron, Osteolepis, Panderichthys, etc. - evidence which 'creationists' have already examined (eg.).

Regards

I think this post is sufficient a reply to the original, and with that we should close this thread, It has gotten much more attention than it deserves, it is becoming pedantic. I think the last thing anyone needs to do is keep feeding a histrionic Has-Been....

peace!

 

[Mr. Baldy]

Beef?



Sorry, break dancing went out in the 80's. mind u. Run DMC had some success a few years ago, but it quickly faded.



Agreed, Adolf Hitler expressed a deep interest in Islam for the same reason. Thier apparent willingness to die so easily.

Way off topic though me thinks

beef is when u have a grudge with someone.
im not talking about break dancing i mean a rap battle.

i dont understand how u can put ur faith so willingly into a theory, which as rama pointed out, is tautologically unprovable. this is, to me at least, completley irrational

 

[Umar001]

I've tried to keep away from this thread, but this is getting sloppy. From personal compliments to personal jabs in the space of 5 posts.

Let's see if the mood changes?

 

[ranma1/2]

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i dont understand how u can put ur faith so willingly into a theory, which as rama pointed out, is tautologically unprovable. ..

No its not tautaology it is shown to be the most accurate scientific theory as to why there is variety in the spieces. What i pointed out was your misconception that if something is a theory it is somehow not valid in science as you seem to suggest.

Now look up and come back with what a scientific theory is. Post a link to a reasonable source that you have read if you want.