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Tighter gun control required?? No. If a persons is gaga he'll kill regardless.
 
Just deleted a bunch of posts about Iraq, since that subject has nothing to do with this thread. If members wish to 'compare and contrast', they can do so in a brand spanking new thread of their own creation.
 
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England said:
Do you not think it's time for the US to outlaw firearms?
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The weapon lobby is too much powerful in USA, also, among the weapon owners and carriers are many influent people.
Even though, it is nearby only in USA, where such things happen, but still they will never change something on these laws.
 
I am deeply disturbed by this thread. To all of the families that had their children killed in this tradgedy, my heart goes out to them. May they all find peace.

I am not going to call anyone out specifically so this is a general statement that you can all take for what it is. I am a citizen of the United States of America and I am proud of that fact. Though our policies may not be to your liking (or mine for that matter) that does not make us as a whole evil or deserving of such horrible deaths. I am very hurt at many of the posts in this thread. To all of you that gave your prayers for these young lives that were cut short I thank you. But to those who want to turn this into a political debate of how bad the USA is and how all of the poor muslims in the world should be front page everyday in our country, shame on you. We are all people. And we all deserve a certain amount of respect. It saddens me that there are many people on this board that are so blinded by generations of hate that they can't see the forest through the trees. Yes there are people dying everywhere in the world everyday. That is something that people should be aware of. The troops should be pulled out of Iraq and the Palestinians should get theor country back. But that does not change the fact that my nation is in mourning over such a huge injustice that has been done on land that is supposed to be for learning and bettering ones self. They students were supposed to be safe. No, they may not have been muslim. They very well may have been drunk drug addicts that were having sex in the middle of class. But who are any of you to say that they are sub-human to the muslims of the world?? They are all going to hell say you. But none of you trully know who is going to hell and who gets a ticket to heaven. So here is an idea, get off your high horse and simply say "What a tradgedy. May God have mercy on their souls. My prayers are with their families." Is that so hard to do???


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PS: If I have offened you by this post then maybe you needed to be offended. I have been considering converting to Islam for some time now. It is threads like this that make me NOT want to be associated with thoughts and views of some of the muslim brothers and sisters.
 



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tomtomsmom said:
... I have been considering converting to Islam for some time now. It is threads like this that make me NOT want to be associated with thoughts and views of some of the muslim brothers and sisters.
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I did not read the whole thread ; don't know why u r so upset . Just want to tell that ur belief is releated with God Almighty ; not with other people.

U should consider reverting to Islam only when u truely believe that God is One , Islam is the Truth , Muhammed (p) is the last Prophet of God. If ALL Muslims become the most horrible people in this world , it should not stop u accepting the Truth. And if u don't believe that Islam is the right religion , does not matter how some or many or most or All Muslims are good , u must not accept Islam.

Anyway , hope u r not upset by my post ( this one or the earlier one) :)

 
tomtomsmom said:
I am deeply disturbed by this thread. To all of the families that had their children killed in this tradgedy, my heart goes out to them. May they all find peace.

I am not going to call anyone out specifically so this is a general statement that you can all take for what it is. I am a citizen of the United States of America and I am proud of that fact. Though our policies may not be to your liking (or mine for that matter) that does not make us as a whole evil or deserving of such horrible deaths. I am very hurt at many of the posts in this thread. To all of you that gave your prayers for these young lives that were cut short I thank you. But to those who want to turn this into a political debate of how bad the USA is and how all of the poor muslims in the world should be front page everyday in our country, shame on you. We are all people. And we all deserve a certain amount of respect. It saddens me that there are many people on this board that are so blinded by generations of hate that they can't see the forest through the trees. Yes there are people dying everywhere in the world everyday. That is something that people should be aware of. The troops should be pulled out of Iraq and the Palestinians should get theor country back. But that does not change the fact that my nation is in mourning over such a huge injustice that has been done on land that is supposed to be for learning and bettering ones self. They students were supposed to be safe. No, they may not have been muslim. They very well may have been drunk drug addicts that were having sex in the middle of class. But who are any of you to say that they are sub-human to the muslims of the world?? They are all going to hell say you. But none of you trully know who is going to hell and who gets a ticket to heaven. So here is an idea, get off your high horse and simply say "What a tradgedy. May God have mercy on their souls. My prayers are with their families." Is that so hard to do???


RANT OVER



PS: If I have offened you by this post then maybe you needed to be offended. I have been considering converting to Islam for some time now. It is threads like this that make me NOT want to be associated with thoughts and views of some of the muslim brothers and sisters.
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For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of what we eat or drink but of living a life of goodness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. If you serve Christ with this attitude, you will please God. And other people will approve of you, too. Romans 14:17-18

These shootings were a terrible thing. People ask me where was God. I know that God will bring justice and get glory, but don’t forget in 1962 our country took the Bible, prayer and the 10 commandments out of the schools. In other words, they were saying that God is not allowed in here. If you take God out of our institutions the devil comes in. George Washington said, “ Don’t claim to be an American if you attempt to remove religion from our institutions.”
It would most definitely behoove you to study the Bible before you make that decision to become other religion than a follower of Christ. There are benefits from other religions, but salvation is not one of them. There is no other name given under the sun where we might be saved but Jesus. It is your choice. You have freedom to choose as you wish but you are not free from the consequences of your choices. Jesus loves you and wants to be Lord of your life. He said, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock, if any man hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and sup with him." Rev. 3:20
 
My two cents, here in the Uk we are not allowed guns, yet this does not stop people from carrying and using them, if someone is determined they can get a gun pretty easy.

The crucial difference is that here in the Uk we don't have people, well not as many, who are that determined to go school and kill everyone. That's something which is not really found here. Minds are changing though, people are more and more liking the idea of settling business yourself and that the police dont help with nothing. That's why there have been more shootings and so forth, in my view it's clear, its the attitudes not the availability of guns which is the problem.

tomtomsmom said:
PS: If I have offened you by this post then maybe you needed to be offended. I have been considering converting to Islam for some time now. It is threads like this that make me NOT want to be associated with thoughts and views of some of the muslim brothers and sisters.
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In honesty, whether all muslims turn sour or sweet shouldnt make a differences to anything about reversion, thats if it has.
 
I think it's just a matter of time before it happens here. Britain is a mini-America. Whatever happens in America happens here in Britain. It was only America that had the gangs at one time and here it was unheard of. Now we have them. Obesity was a problem in America, now it's getting bad here, but thankfully something's being done about it. When the US was attacked on 9/11 we felt the effects here. When the US has hurricanes a couple of weeks or even days later we get tornadoes here.

We are a mini-America and whatever happens there happens here soon after.

Why? I don't know.
 
England said:
I think it's just a matter of time before it happens here.
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It already did, in Dublane. :(

Britain is a mini-America. Whatever happens in America happens here in Britain. It was only America that had the gangs at one time and here it was unheard of. Now we have them. Obesity was a problem in America, now it's getting bad here, but thankfully something's being done about it.
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Interesting notions.

When the US has hurricanes a couple of weeks or even days later we get tornadoes here.
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That, however, is pushing it. :p
 
Although it seems to be an American problem, it is not unique to America and it is not always with guns.


December 1989, Canada: Marc Lepine, 25, stormed Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique, killing 14 women. Four men and eight other women were injured before Lepine turned the gun on himself.

March 1996, Britain: A gunman burst into an elementary school in Dunblane in Scotland and shot dead 16 children and their teacher before killing himself.

March 1997, Yemen: A man with an assault rifle attacked hundreds of pupils at two schools in Sanaa, killing six children and two other people. He was sentenced to death the next day.

June 2001, Japan: Mamoru Takuma, armed with a kitchen knife, entered the Ikeda Elementary School near Osaka and killed eight children. Takuma was executed in September 2004.

February 2002, Germany: In Freising, in Bavaria, a former student thrown out of trade school shot three people before killing himself. Another teacher was injured.

April 26, 2002, Germany: In Erfurt, eastern Germany, a former student opened fire at a high school in revenge for being expelled. A total of 18 people died, including the assailant.
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Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/school.shootings.world.reut/index.html


It is always a very sad tragedy no matter where it happens.

But, the thing to keep in mind is it is terrorism. The mentality between each one is the same as the mentality of any terrorist no matter what weapon is used or who the targets are.

This is the problem with terrorism. The person committing it believes they are justified. But what ever the reason, all that comes from it is dead innocent people. No cause is served and no progress is made.
 
Woodrow said:
Although it seems to be an American problem, it is not unique to America and it is not always with guns.

It is always a very sad tragedy no matter where it happens.

But, the thing to keep in mind is it is terrorism. The mentality between each one is the same as the mentality of any terrorist no matter what weapon is used or who the targets are.

This is the problem with terrorism. The person committing it believes they are justified. But what ever the reason, all that comes from it is dead innocent people. No cause is served and no progress is made.
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I don't agree this is terrorism. He had no purpose other than revenge and self-glorification. Cho was crazy. As Kurt Vonnegut might have said, he had "bad chemicals". Chemicals in his disordered brain told him to do this. He was socially isolated and ostracized because others could tell he was different. Women rejected him because he didn't know how to relate to another human being properly. In interviews with his family show he was like this since early childhood. They did not seek professional help because it was not within their cultural background to do that. Mental illness was an embarrassment to be kept quiet. This kid should never have been sent to a dormatory setting where he lost whatever limited social contact he had.

As for gun control? He had two ordinary handguns that he bought weeks ahead of time. He had no high capacity ammo clips. He had no automatic weapon or bazooka or rpg. One of his guns was even an underpowered 22 caliber.

To me, the greater question is why he did not have some type of involuntary committment earlier? He had multiple contacts with campus police because of odd behavior yet because of privacy, they could not even tell his parents.

You want to control something? Think crazy control not gun control.
 
Cognescenti said:
To me, the greater question is why he did not have some type of involuntary committment earlier? He had multiple contacts with campus police because of odd behavior yet because of privacy, they could not even tell his parents.

You want to control something? Think crazy control not gun control.
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We agree very much on this much of it. It does seem there was sufficient documentation to get an emergency involuntary commitment, but people are so scared of law suits nobody acts until after the fact.
 
Woodrow said:
We agree very much on this much of it. It does seem there was sufficient documentation to get an emergency involuntary commitment, but people are so scared of law suits nobody acts until after the fact.
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Agreed. Fear of lawsuits and legitmate concern about not breeching statutory protections for the mentally ill.
 
I wonder what he musta been thinking though, I mean to just take your own life, I mean not that he was right int aking anyone else's life, but ok lets say he was angry at them or whatever he'd be able to justify it to himself some how, but your own? That sounds wierd. To just say 'Am gonna end everything myself'
 
alapiana1 said:
For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of what we eat or drink but of living a life of goodness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. If you serve Christ with this attitude, you will please God. And other people will approve of you, too. Romans 14:17-18

These shootings were a terrible thing. People ask me where was God. I know that God will bring justice and get glory, but don’t forget in 1962 our country took the Bible, prayer and the 10 commandments out of the schools. In other words, they were saying that God is not allowed in here. If you take God out of our institutions the devil comes in. George Washington said, “ Don’t claim to be an American if you attempt to remove religion from our institutions.”
It would most definitely behoove you to study the Bible before you make that decision to become other religion than a follower of Christ. There are benefits from other religions, but salvation is not one of them. There is no other name given under the sun where we might be saved but Jesus. It is your choice. You have freedom to choose as you wish but you are not free from the consequences of your choices. Jesus loves you and wants to be Lord of your life. He said, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock, if any man hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and sup with him." Rev. 3:20
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please don't use this tragedy as a platform from which to preach your religion. thankyou.
too many in this thread already have used it to make political statements such as yours.
 
tomtomsmom said:
I am deeply disturbed by this thread. To all of the families that had their children killed in this tradgedy, my heart goes out to them. May they all find peace.

I am not going to call anyone out specifically so this is a general statement that you can all take for what it is. I am a citizen of the United States of America and I am proud of that fact. Though our policies may not be to your liking (or mine for that matter) that does not make us as a whole evil or deserving of such horrible deaths. I am very hurt at many of the posts in this thread. To all of you that gave your prayers for these young lives that were cut short I thank you. But to those who want to turn this into a political debate of how bad the USA is and how all of the poor muslims in the world should be front page everyday in our country, shame on you. We are all people. And we all deserve a certain amount of respect. It saddens me that there are many people on this board that are so blinded by generations of hate that they can't see the forest through the trees. Yes there are people dying everywhere in the world everyday. That is something that people should be aware of. The troops should be pulled out of Iraq and the Palestinians should get theor country back. But that does not change the fact that my nation is in mourning over such a huge injustice that has been done on land that is supposed to be for learning and bettering ones self. They students were supposed to be safe. No, they may not have been muslim. They very well may have been drunk drug addicts that were having sex in the middle of class. But who are any of you to say that they are sub-human to the muslims of the world?? They are all going to hell say you. But none of you trully know who is going to hell and who gets a ticket to heaven. So here is an idea, get off your high horse and simply say "What a tradgedy. May God have mercy on their souls. My prayers are with their families." Is that so hard to do???


RANT OVER



PS: If I have offened you by this post then maybe you needed to be offended. I have been considering converting to Islam for some time now. It is threads like this that make me NOT want to be associated with thoughts and views of some of the muslim brothers and sisters.
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thankyou for this very sincere and heartfelt post. i also think many of the posts were uncalled for and offensive.
why do people exploit things like this?
fortunately, you do not have to judge islam by the acts and words of its followers.
 
snakelegs said:
please don't use this tragedy as a platform from which to preach your religion. thankyou.
too many in this thread already have used it to make political statements such as yours.
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You lost me on that one. Besides, part of that wasn't what I quoted. Or least I don't remember saying the top part.
 
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