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What a thread, very interesting. I have a question if you don't mind. What do you tell your children about the more "scary" parts of the Tanach? My daughter and I were watching the Disney movie about Moses, and in the part where they are drowning, she turned to me is horror and asked "Mom, is God doing that?" She is a gentle child, and she was truely shocked, because that is not what we have given her as a "idea" of God. I figure I could tell her that 1, yes that is God, and yes that he judges "evil" or 2, that those stories are illustrative stories and that they stand for concepts of God, or 3 that yes that did happen, but they were magnified to illustrate or 4 they are just fables.
 
As a Muslim, I would suggest you tell the child the truth, but it also depends on her age. This world is no picnic, and a child has to realize that sooner or later, and who better to tell her about that than you? There are people who do bad things, things that hurt others in defiance of God. God in that case protected the righteous, just as He will for all time, and that's a good message to give to a child IMO.
 
What a thread, very interesting. I have a question if you don't mind. What do you tell your children about the more "scary" parts of the Tanach? My daughter and I were watching the Disney movie about Moses, and in the part where they are drowning, she turned to me is horror and asked "Mom, is God doing that?" She is a gentle child, and she was truely shocked, because that is not what we have given her as a "idea" of God. I figure I could tell her that 1, yes that is God, and yes that he judges "evil" or 2, that those stories are illustrative stories and that they stand for concepts of God, or 3 that yes that did happen, but they were magnified to illustrate or 4 they are just fables.

I would answer 1, but you should provide a more in depth view of why they were punished this way. Example, the Egyptions were drowned yes, but remember they drowned all the male Jewish children in the nile river. Therefore, they under free will ultimatly decided their own punishments. The soldiers that died were the same army that drowned the Jewish children, which is why Moses was put in the basket in the first place.
 
Shalom Aleichem adbulhakim55, you wrote:
If the Jews are the "chosen people" then how do you explain why so many hate you, and so much "anti-semetism" has been in the world?

Very interesting question if I may say so. Of course this is only my humble opinion, and I believe I have efficiently typed up every follow up question you could ask with an answer as well within my post. Many Jews would disagree with my answer, and that is okay, but this is mine. The universal hatred against our people is actually one of the greatest miracles of history. It is indeed not explainable. You are right that men formerly thought that the differences between Israel and the gentile nations were caused by the Torah as opposed to religion. But this was entirely disproved with the case of the German Jews. To provide you with a background, no Jewish community, ever in history at this point in time had rebelled against the Torah as much as Germany’s Jewish community. Formerly, all Jews were conspicuous in garb, beards, language, and customs which should have more readily have excited the animosity of the gentile nations. When the German Jews forsook the Torah, intermarried with gentiles or had been converted to Christianity, this should have gave their neighbors less cause for animosity, however, instead arose the mightiest wave of hatred in history, at a time when religious bigotry was at its lowest. There can be no doubt that the background of this hatred was the religious bias of the Germans’ ancestors. But that this should come to such a catastrophic climax in a time of extreme religious laxity and against Jews who were entirely assimilated proves the miraculous nature of this hatred.

The function of this hatred is to preserve the Chosen community from being swallowed up by the nations, or from imitating them. The more Jews resemble the gentiles or come close to them, the greater degree of hatred is necessary to prevent assimilation or imitation. This has happened in Spain, Russia, Poland and elsewhere. Germany is the most conspicuous example. Ezra said:
“We are slaves, but in our slavery, our G-d has not forsaken us.” (Ezra 9:9)
What is interesting is the condition of gentiles compared to Jews in their own lands, when it came to success in a variety of aspects. But I will not go off topic.

Since you are interested in this subject, I will provide you with another example. It is well known that throughout the Middle Ages, a Jew could have escaped persecution by renouncing his faith. In almost all persecutions, expulsions and massacres this alternative was almost always offered to us. Rarely was it accepted. Any one of our masses could have attained liberty by saying only one word. Yet even among the worst of us, this rarely if ever happened. At the expulsion of Spain, the offer was made that anyone who accepted conversion could remain. Only a small group remained, and they even continued to be Jews in secret. Now, note this remarkable fact: Of the six million Jews killed by Hitler’s demons, not a single one was given the offer to save his life by renouncing his religion. Now what is the significance in that?

During the previous centuries when the Jews were ready to die for the Torah, they were given this ordeal because G-d knew they could withstand it. In Hitler’s time, when all to many Jews were forsaking the Torah by their own violation, such a test would have resulted in mass conversion. Nowhere were Jews so eager to be lost among the gentiles, as in Germany. Yet nowhere in the world was such a efficient machinery to identify assimilated Jews, and to separate them, as in Germany. A vast index system was set up for all Jews and “part-Jews”. Jews had all taken gentile names so a decree went out that all male Jews must add the name “Israel” and ever female Jew must add the name “Sarah”. The Jews had merged identities with the gentiles, so each Jew was forced to where a Star of David on this clothes. All this was pure madness for the Nazi’s because they gained nothing from it! The only thing the Nazi’s achieved by this was to lose valuable elements of the populace, like professionals and business men. Had they not been molested they would have been like every other German, and supported their own nation! But this madness was for a very great purpose, as we now perceive in light of G-d’s plan.

For men whose final goal is the afterlife, assimilation is worse than death. These phenomenons’s are but a few of the countless machinery that which the Master of history has ceaselessly carried out to preserve the Chosen community. When Hitler was burning European Jews, a prominent newspaper here expressed some pity for these “miserable wretches”. This mentality of these gentiles to admire the men of violence and those who “fight” and despise the weak, is a disgusting one.

Since the Jews fell into the trap of trying to emulate the Germans so much, G-d allowed the Germans to do their utmost to show who they truly are. Those Jews that began to ignore their soul, and in imitation, like all those around them began to only focus on the needs of the body, were made to see how their efforts were ended in the worst ruination of Jewish bodied in history (The Germans burned my people after gassing them). The Jews at this point were so infatuated by the schools of science and the German physicians and ignored their religion, and the covenant, therefore, look at the disgusting nature of the physicians which were revealed (They performed disgusting experiments on my people).

In an era, when such discriminatory laws and ghettos were unknown, this sudden phenomenon to medieval times was truly startling! Now this theory may seem disgusting to you, and it is to me as well, but ponder on this. Judaism teaches that you should die than rather renounce the Torah. Therefore, a Jew who died in the Holocaust is tremendously better off in the long run as a Jew who died because of his religion, then a Jew who would assimilate and renounce the Torah in Germany. Of course, Hitler and his demons had free will as we all do; their true nature was just revealed to us. Therefore, every action they committed results in punishment for them. I am no way saying the Holocaust is not anything less than the worst of all genocide, I am just saying that evrything in the world has a purpose, which we may or may not ever understand.

The bottom line is that the more anti-Semitism, we as Jews receive the more our community is preserved and the more we as Jews are not so eager to intermarry and forsake the Torah to join secular culture. It is a known fact that the less anti-Semitism is exhibited in an area, the more assimilation occurs.
 
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Very interesting post. However, is it so important to seperate yourself from non-Jewish society in matters of religion?
 
Shalom Aleichem again abdulhakim55, you wrote:
Very interesting post. However, is it so important to seperate yourself from non-Jewish society in matters of religion?

I will use a comparison from "Pirkei Avos", a holy text, and show you how it is relevant to our topic. Chapter 1, Mishna 7 says:

"Nittai of Arbel said, distance yourself from a bad neighbor, do not befriend a wicked person, and do not despair of punishment."
The theme of this mishna is to beware close association with wicked people, those who may have a bad influence on ourselves or our families. R. Samson Raphael Hirsch notes a discrepancy in the language of mishna. Regarding bad neighbors we are told to distance ourselves, while regarding the wicked we are told only not to befriend them. The reason for this difference is that it is possible to choose one's neighbors - by selecting a neighborhood in which to live. Regarding the wicked, however, it is impossible to entirely avoid contact with them - in business (especially) or on the street. Thus, we may have to interact with them on some level, but we must take care not to closely befriend them.

Our mishna concludes that we not lose faith that G-d ultimately punishes. This continues the same theme. Do not be fooled that the wicked have all the money. Do not be tempted to run after them or imitate their ways. Divine retribution will certainly come - and the associates of the wicked may well be caught in their very same web (or at least may forced to testify). G-d may very well be "blessing" the wicked in this world because He has given up, so to speak, on prodding them to repent.

Throughout our history, Jews have always placed a great deal of emphasis on community - that we stick together and distance themselves to whatever degree possible from negative influences. Throughout the Exile, Jews have generally formed their own neighborhoods, schools, and judicial systems. The term "ghetto" is perhaps too strong a pejorative - and Pales and ghettos were usually imposed from without - but throughout much of our history, we have certainly made ourselves a nation apart. Likewise, our host nations have almost invariably seen us as a foreign entity living within their midst.

Now, to return back to the topic, I have just demonstrated that we are told to live away from wicked people. So in the category of how we are to act, we are to live near moral people, instead of wicked ones. Therefore, in matters of religion the people you would want to live near are ones who are followers of Torah. Just like a moral person should strive to live in a neighborhood that does not have wicked people, so to a Jew should strive to live in an area where anti-Torah actions are not taking place. One can only conclude that this would be a place made up of Torah observant Jews.
 
Please see where I make the text red to understand what my concerns are:

Very interesting question if I may say so. Of course this is only my humble opinion, and I believe I have efficiently typed up every follow up question you could ask with an answer as well within my post. Many Jews would disagree with my answer, and that is okay, but this is mine. The universal hatred against our people is actually one of the greatest miracles of history. It is indeed not explainable. You are right that men formerly thought that the differences between Israel and the gentile nations were caused by the Torah as opposed to religion. But this was entirely disproved with the case of the German Jews. To provide you with a background, no Jewish community, ever in history at this point in time had rebelled against the Torah as much as Germany’s Jewish community. Formerly, all Jews were conspicuous in garb, beards, language, and customs which should have more readily have excited the animosity of the gentile nations. When the German Jews forsook the Torah, intermarried with gentiles or had been converted to Christianity, this should have gave their neighbors less cause for animosity, however, instead arose the mightiest wave of hatred in history, at a time when religious bigotry was at its lowest. There can be no doubt that the background of this hatred was the religious bias of the Germans’ ancestors. But that this should come to such a catastrophic climax in a time of extreme religious laxity and against Jews who were entirely assimilated proves the miraculous nature of this hatred.

The function of this hatred is to preserve the Chosen community from being swallowed up by the nations, or from imitating them. The more Jews resemble the gentiles or come close to them, the greater degree of hatred is necessary to prevent assimilation or imitation. This has happened in Spain, Russia, Poland and elsewhere. Germany is the most conspicuous example. Ezra said:
“We are slaves, but in our slavery, our G-d has not forsaken us.” (Ezra 9:9)
What is interesting is the condition of gentiles compared to Jews in their own lands, when it came to success in a variety of aspects. But I will not go off topic.

Since you are interested in this subject, I will provide you with another example. It is well known that throughout the Middle Ages, a Jew could have escaped persecution by renouncing his faith. In almost all persecutions, expulsions and massacres this alternative was almost always offered to us. Rarely was it accepted. Any one of our masses could have attained liberty by saying only one word. Yet even among the worst of us, this rarely if ever happened. At the expulsion of Spain, the offer was made that anyone who accepted conversion could remain. Only a small group remained, and they even continued to be Jews in secret. Now, note this remarkable fact: Of the six million Jews killed by Hitler’s demons, not a single one was given the offer to save his life by renouncing his religion. Now what is the significance in that?

During the previous centuries when the Jews were ready to die for the Torah, they were given this ordeal because G-d knew they could withstand it. In Hitler’s time, when all to many Jews were forsaking the Torah by their own violation, such a test would have resulted in mass conversion. Nowhere were Jews so eager to be lost among the gentiles, as in Germany. Yet nowhere in the world was such a efficient machinery to identify assimilated Jews, and to separate them, as in Germany. A vast index system was set up for all Jews and “part-Jews”. Jews had all taken gentile names so a decree went out that all male Jews must add the name “Israel” and ever female Jew must add the name “Sarah”. The Jews had merged identities with the gentiles, so each Jew was forced to where a Star of David on this clothes. All this was pure madness for the Nazi’s because they gained nothing from it! The only thing the Nazi’s achieved by this was to lose valuable elements of the populace, like professionals and business men. Had they not been molested they would have been like every other German, and supported their own nation! But this madness was for a very great purpose, as we now perceive in light of G-d’s plan.

For men whose final goal is the afterlife, assimilation is worse than death. These phenomenons’s are but a few of the countless machinery that which the Master of history has ceaselessly carried out to preserve the Chosen community. When Hitler was burning European Jews, a prominent newspaper here expressed some pity for these “miserable wretches”. This mentality of these gentiles to admire the men of violence and those who “fight” and despise the weak, is a disgusting one.

Since the Jews fell into the trap of trying to emulate the Germans so much, G-d allowed the Germans to do their utmost to show who they truly are. Those Jews that began to ignore their soul, and in imitation, like all those around them began to only focus on the needs of the body, were made to see how their efforts were ended in the worst ruination of Jewish bodied in history (The Germans burned my people after gassing them). The Jews at this point were so infatuated by the schools of science and the German physicians and ignored their religion, and the covenant, therefore, look at the disgusting nature of the physicians which were revealed (They performed disgusting experiments on my people).

In an era, when such discriminatory laws and ghettos were unknown, this sudden phenomenon to medieval times was truly startling! Now this theory may seem disgusting to you, and it is to me as well, but ponder on this. Judaism teaches that you should die than rather renounce the Torah. Therefore, a Jew who died in the Holocaust is tremendously better off in the long run as a Jew who died because of his religion, then a Jew who would assimilate and renounce the Torah in Germany. Of course, Hitler and his demons had free will as we all do; their true nature was just revealed to us. Therefore, every action they committed results in punishment for them. I am no way saying the Holocaust is not anything less than the worst of all genocide, I am just saying that evrything in the world has a purpose, which we may or may not ever understand.

The bottom line is that the more anti-Semitism, we as Jews receive the more our community is preserved and the more we as Jews are not so eager to intermarry and forsake the Torah to join secular culture. It is a known fact that the less anti-Semitism is exhibited in an area, the more assimilation occurs.


Can you explain what you mean in those two instances?

I will use a comparison from "Pirkei Avos", a holy text, and show you how it is relevant to our topic. Chapter 1, Mishna 7 says:

"Nittai of Arbel said, distance yourself from a bad neighbor, do not befriend a wicked person, and do not despair of punishment."
The theme of this mishna is to beware close association with wicked people, those who may have a bad influence on ourselves or our families. R. Samson Raphael Hirsch notes a discrepancy in the language of mishna. Regarding bad neighbors we are told to distance ourselves, while regarding the wicked we are told only not to befriend them. The reason for this difference is that it is possible to choose one's neighbors - by selecting a neighborhood in which to live. Regarding the wicked, however, it is impossible to entirely avoid contact with them - in business (especially) or on the street. Thus, we may have to interact with them on some level, but we must take care not to closely befriend them.

Our mishna concludes that we not lose faith that G-d ultimately punishes. This continues the same theme. Do not be fooled that the wicked have all the money. Do not be tempted to run after them or imitate their ways. Divine retribution will certainly come - and the associates of the wicked may well be caught in their very same web (or at least may forced to testify). G-d may very well be "blessing" the wicked in this world because He has given up, so to speak, on prodding them to repent.

Throughout our history, Jews have always placed a great deal of emphasis on community - that we stick together and distance themselves to whatever degree possible from negative influences. Throughout the Exile, Jews have generally formed their own neighborhoods, schools, and judicial systems. The term "ghetto" is perhaps too strong a pejorative - and Pales and ghettos were usually imposed from without - but throughout much of our history, we have certainly made ourselves a nation apart. Likewise, our host nations have almost invariably seen us as a foreign entity living within their midst.


Now, to return back to the topic, I have just demonstrated that we are told to live away from wicked people. So in the category of how we are to act, we are to live near moral people, instead of wicked ones. Therefore, in matters of religion the people you would want to live near are ones who are followers of Torah. Just like a moral person should strive to live in a neighborhood that does not have wicked people, so to a Jew should strive to live in an area where anti-Torah actions are not taking place. One can only conclude that this would be a place made up of Torah observant Jews.

Can those two topics be comparable? Your deriving one answer from comparing the answer to a different topic.
 
i have a question concerning the False Messiah (named al-Dajjal)

what does the jewish texts say about the False mesiah ??

from the prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) i know that every prophet did warn his followers from the afflictions of this False Mesiah and here is the hadith in Sahih Bukhary :

Narated By Ibn Umar :The Prophet praised Allah and then mentioned Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal and described him extensively, saying, "Allah did not send any prophet but that prophet warned his nation of Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal. Noah and the prophets following him warned (their people) of him. He will appear amongst you (O Muhammad's followers), and if it happens that some of his qualities may be hidden from you, but your Lord's State is clear to you and not hidden from you. The Prophet said it thrice. Verily, your Lord is not blind in one eye, while he (i.e. Ad-Dajjal) is blind in the right eye which looks like a grape bulging out (of its cluster).

it is good to mention that this Dajjal will have great powers and that he will pretend that he is God but any one with faith will be able to see that he is a liar because no one can see god in this life and this Dajjal is ugly but we know that God is perfect.
 
Shalom Aleichem abdulhakim55, you wrote:
Can you explain what you mean in those two instances?

Can those two topics be comparable? Your deriving one answer from comparing the answer to a different topic.

1. Religious bigotry was at an all time low at this period of history which makes it very strange that the worst persecution of Jews would occur at a time, where the Jews tried to blend in the most instead of acting different. The other, is that the Jews although highly restricted were very successful in a variety of areas.

2. They are not different. One has to do with the neighbors values of morality. The other has to do with the neighbors values based on spirituality. The same basic concept.

Shalom Aleichem hemoo, you wrote:
hemoo said:
what does the jewish texts say about the False mesiah ??

No we do not believe in that.

I think we have a difference of opinion here. Your view of a false Messiah is someone who combats the real one and is described as like an 'anti-messiah'. However, we view false messiahs as people like Jesus. People that have claimed to be major prophets and in turn claimed that new 'holy' texts should be observed instead of the Torah are false messiahs/prophets. The Torah is eternal, and therefore, in accordance with Judaism when one claims to have a replacement like a "New" Testament or "Quran" we view them as false Messiahs/prophets. I have no reason to offend you because Islam is right on target with what gentiles should follow (seven laws of noah). We believe Jesus is a 'false messiah', but of course he will not come back and battle the real messiah. The Torah also teaches us that these false prophets and messiahs will perform miracles to try and get the Jewish people to stop following Torah, to instead follow their 'holy' book.
 
shalom,

I have a quick question.. why, in your opinion, do you think that G-d would allow false prophets to be so sucessful?

and also..

Do you(jews) think that Mohammad was sent as a test from G-d, and that he really thought he recieved revelations from an Angel, or do you think he made it all up, or what do you think on that?

and although you guys don't believe in Jesus as the messiah, if he existed, do you guys think that he was crucified? (that was a popular punishment, and the romans did it overwhelmingly.)

also, when can the third temple be built? and is the dome of rock in its way?
 
and also, many different faiths have challenges, if someone doesn't think it's real.

for instanse, in Mormonism, mormons are supposed to pray daily for God to show them the truth. And they are supposed to study all religions very intensively (although most mormons don't do that, the Book of mormon strongly encourages it.)

Baha'is have an "independent investigation of truth" where they ask you to study all faiths.

Islam has things like "surah like it" challenge, and in the qu'ran it says at least a dozen times "there is no way man can make this, if they did it would have many mistakes" and it has different challenges and all.

what do Jews think of this? like why would G-d allow false prophets to say such things?

plus, like the Book of Mormon has over 27 different writing styles in it. and the writing style of the qu'ran is different from mohammad being quoted in the hadiths. any thoughts on that?
 
Shalom Aleichem thirdwatch512, you wrote:
shalom,

I have a quick question.. why, in your opinion, do you think that G-d would allow false prophets to be so sucessful?

and also..

Do you(jews) think that Mohammad was sent as a test from G-d, and that he really thought he recieved revelations from an Angel, or do you think he made it all up, or what do you think on that?

and although you guys don't believe in Jesus as the messiah, if he existed, do you guys think that he was crucified? (that was a popular punishment, and the romans did it overwhelmingly.)

also, when can the third temple be built? and is the dome of rock in its way?


I will quote the Mishneh Torah for you, since I believe this passage answers your first question:
The people of Israel did not believe in Moses because of the miracles he performed. Indeed, one who believes because of miracles retains a measure of doubt in his heart, since a "miracle" can be done by trickery or sorcery. Rather, all the miracles he performed in the desert were by necessity, not to prove his prophecy: it was necessary to drown the Egyptians, so he split the sea and submerged them in it; they needed food, so he brought down the manna; they thirsted so he split the rock; Korach and his company denied [his authority], so the earth swallowed them up; and the same with all the miracles.
So why did they believe in him? Because when we stood at Sinai, our own eyes saw and our own ears heard the fire, the sounds and the flames, and how Moses approached the cloud and G-d's voice called to him, and we heard it say: "Moses! Moses! Tell them such and such..." As it is written [Deuteronomy 5:4]: "Face to face G-d spoke with you" and [ibid. 5:3], "Not with our ancestors did G-d make this covenant..." The event at Sinai alone is the proof that Moses' prophecy is true without the shadow of a doubt, as it is written [Exodus 19:9], "Behold, I shall come to you in a thick cloud, so that the people should hear Me speak to you and also believe in you forever." From this we see that prior to that, they did not believe in him with a faith that is everlasting, only with a faith that leaves a possibility for doubts and second thoughts.
Thus, the ones to whom Moses was sent, they themselves are the witnesses that his prophecy is authentic, so that he needn't perform any proofs for them. He and they both witnessed [his prophecy] together, like two witnesses who witnessed something together, each one of whom is a witness that his fellow is saying the truth, and neither of whom requires any proof of the other's honesty...
So if a prophet arises and performs signs and great wonders and seeks to deny Moses' prophecy, we do not listen to him, and we know with certainty that these sign are by trickery and sorcery. For Moses' prophecy is not based on proofs, that we should weigh these proofs against those proofs. Rather, we saw it with our eyes and heard it with our ears, just as Moses did. This is as if witnesses would testify to a person regarding something he saw with his own eyes that it was not as he saw it; this person would take no heed of them, but know surely that they are false witnesses...
(Mishneh Torah, Laws of the Fundamentals of Torah 8:1-3)
Now to respond to other part of your question, it is all about how you will respond. Will you be tempted by these magic tricks and abandon the Torah? Or will you stay faithful to the document which was witnessed and did not depend on miracles by Moses.


The second part of your question goes into Mohammad. Now I have no idea what Mohammad was here to do. Possibly to tempt those away from the Torah, or maybe to bring gentiles closer to monotheism, but not Jews of course since we will always be responsible to follow the eternal laws of the Torah. The Quran according to Judaism though is not by the hand of G-d.​

As for the Dome of the Rock and the Third Holy Temple. Yes, the Dome of the Rock is in its way, but that does not matter. As a matter of fact, you could say that the Muslims are sort of our guards of the Temple Mount. Think of it in larger terms. Jews cannot go up to the Temple Mount nor build the Holy Temple until the days of the Moshiach, which by that time, the Muslims will have no opposition to the Holy Temple being rebuilt. So the situation we have today is that the Holy Temple is being guarded by the Muslims. Every time secular Jews who do not know better than to wait out the exile for the Moshiach come close to the Temple, the Muslims go insane. Compare it it a guard dog who barks ferociously at you. However, it is for your own benefit though. In the mean time, they have no idols on the place, and take care of it. When they cease to take care of it, I have no doubt that G-d will judge them accordingly, and their control over the mount will be effected as well.​

thirdwatch512 said:
for instanse, in Mormonism, mormons are supposed to pray daily for God to show them the truth. And they are supposed to study all religions very intensively (although most mormons don't do that, the Book of mormon strongly encourages it.)​

Baha'is have an "independent investigation of truth" where they ask you to study all faiths.​

Islam has things like "surah like it" challenge, and in the qu'ran it says at least a dozen times "there is no way man can make this, if they did it would have many mistakes" and it has different challenges and all.​

These challenges are of no consequence. They mean nothing. All religions have them, and the starters of religions who grew so large were obviously smart enough to think of challenges which in turn could never be answered. Smart, but not proof. Proof is that over 1 million people saw an event and not once in history, ever disputed it ever happening. You cannot formulate such a lie. Anyone who says it can be done should then never vote anyone guilty in a court of law, and should doubt most of all the history we know today which are from witnesses. The other point is that Judaism does not claim that all who did not see this proof should believe it. Only the ones G-d proved it to, must believe it and follow the revelation, yet all other religions claim the entire world is destined to eternal hell unless they submit to their specific religion!

thirdwatch512 said:
what do Jews think of this? like why would G-d allow false prophets to say such things?
thirdwatch512 said:
plus, like the Book of Mormon has over 27 different writing styles in it. and the writing style of the qu'ran is different from mohammad being quoted in the hadiths. any thoughts on that?​


1.) Bechirah means not only the ability to do the right thing over the wrong thing, but the ability to choose right because it is right.

If we would be able to see the full picture, a cheeseburger would look like some kind of poison which if you eat will cause you excruciating pain, stolen money would look white hot such that if you touch it, it will incinerate your hand, and a Mitzvah would look more desirable than a ten million dollar bill.

The choice between doing a mitzvah or an Aveirah would be the same as The Lady Or The Tiger, but you would know behind which door lurks the tiger.
Not much of a choice.

So if you would have the real picture, you would then really not have Bechirah, because although you would have the ability to choose, only an idiot would choose scorching fire over eternal pleasure.
In such a case, your choosing the Mitzvah would not show that you are willing to choose right over wrong, but only that you would rather choose pleasure over pain.

Evil people would choose right over wrong in equal measure with righteous people.

You would not get any credit for choosing the Mitzvah that way.

That's not the type of Bechirah Hashem wanted us to have.

Bechirah means the ability to choose right from wrong because it is right. Because you care about choosing right. because you value what's right.

So what Hashem did was to give you the two options, the lady and the tiger, and you know which is which, but in order to ensure that you choose the lady because of what she is rather than for obvious reasons, Hashem makes the tiger not so scary and the lady not so appealing.
At least not in this world.

It's to balance your Bechirah to make sure you choose right from wrong, not pleasure from pain.
It's like the story of a guy, Frank we'll call him, who meets a girl online, and, after a number of emails and IM's he is impressed with her personality and the finally decide to meet, the next day, in Penn Station. "How will I know who you are?" he asked.

"I'll be wearing a white rose," she said.

Well, the guy arrived, he looked around, and there was an elderly, diminutive lady, with white hair, wearing a white rose. He sighed, he put his chin up, he walked over, smiled and said: "Hi. I'm Frank. May I take you to dinner?"

As he looked at her, she said: "Young man. I don't exactly know what this is all about. But I was told that if you came up and asked me to dinner that I should point you over to that lady over yonder."
And there was the most bedazzling girl-of-his-dreams, who became his blushing bride and the mother of his children.

Similarly Hashem hides the "real picture" because wants to make sure we choose the Mitzvos for the right reasons. So he makes Mitzvos appear in this world not the way they really are.

But whereas Frank believed that his girl was old and undesirable, Hashem, in His benevolence, allows us to know, intellectually, that the Mitzvah is most dazzling piece of beauty that we can imagine.

2.) I pay no attention to such things like writing styles. Those two books do not concern me.
 
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thanks for the response!!

also, now here's just two more questions.. hah call me crazy, but i had them written down lol, and i didn't want to ask too many at one time.

ok, so requirments for the messiah.. is it true that the Jews have to be the majority in israel for the messiah to come? is there anything to back that up? and were the jews the majority in the time of Jesus?

also, i read somewhere that since we're not in a time of prophesy, G-d won't test people with false prophets. like there might be false prohpets, but G-d won't personally do it. i guess like they won't be able to do signs and such. is that true, or? i think i read that on askmoses, but i am really not sure. and when i asked the scholar.. they were so busy, they didn't understand my question lol
 
thanks for the response!!

also, now here's just two more questions.. hah call me crazy, but i had them written down lol, and i didn't want to ask too many at one time.

ok, so requirments for the messiah.. is it true that the Jews have to be the majority in israel for the messiah to come? is there anything to back that up? and were the jews the majority in the time of Jesus?

also, i read somewhere that since we're not in a time of prophesy, G-d won't test people with false prophets. like there might be false prohpets, but G-d won't personally do it. i guess like they won't be able to do signs and such. is that true, or? i think i read that on askmoses, but i am really not sure. and when i asked the scholar.. they were so busy, they didn't understand my question lol

Shalom,

The basic answers to your questions are, I am not sure where it is said that a majority of Jews will live in Israel, and G-d will still test us, regardless of the state of prophecy in the Nation of Israel (below I explain a bit more on other forms of prophcy).

First, (Isaiah 11:12) says: "And He shall raise a banner to the nations, and He shall gather the lost of Israel, and the scattered ones of Judah He shall gather from the four corners of the earth." Which proclaims that when the Moshiach comes, all the Jews will be returned to Eretz Yisroel.

Second, The era of prophecy officially came to an end some 23 centuries ago. The last generation of prophets were those who began to prophecy before the First Holy Temple was destroyed in 423 BCE, though a number of that generation survived the 70-year Babylonian exile and lived to see the building of the Second Temple. Most famously, Ezekiel prophesied in Babylonia, and three prophets, Chaggai, Zachariah and Malachi, were members of the "Great Assembly" that led the people in the first years of the return from Babylon. Mordechai and Esther were also members of the long-lived generation that mourned the destruction of the First Temple and witnessed the building of the second. With the demise of that generation, "prophecy departed from Israel."

Nevertheless, the principle that "G-d communicates to mankind through prophecy" remains a foundation of the Jewish faith. A lesser form of prophecy, known as ruach hakodesh (divine inspiration), remains the province of the tzaddikim, the righteous men and women of all generations. According to tradition, one of the greatest prophets, Elijah, never died, and will herald the coming of the Moshiach. Moshiach himself is a prophet ("approaching the prophecy of Moses" according to Maimonides), and in the messianic era, prophecy will become a universal phenomenon -- in the words of the prophet Joel, "And it shall come to pass afterwards that I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and daughters shall prophecy; your elders shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions."
 
very interesting, and thanks for the response!!

it seems that from a Jewish perspective, when the messiah comes there will be some major changes, for the good :)
 
Shalom,
very interesting, and thanks for the response!!

it seems that from a Jewish perspective, when the messiah comes there will be some major changes, for the good :)


Indeed it will be quite an amazing time. However, the ignorant of our world, who are to brainwashed too comprehend the coming of the Moshiach will be existent. For example, the Rambam writes:
If a king will arise from the House of David who delves deeply into the study of the Torah and, like David his ancestor, observes its mitzvos as prescribed by the Written Law and the Oral Law; if he will compel all of Israel to walk in [the way of the Torah] and repair the breaches [in its observance]; and if he will fight the wars of G-d; - we may, with assurance, consider him Moshiach.

Therefore, we can infer that he will have some opposition against him, by those who refuse to see the clearness of G-d's plan. He continues writing about the "false moshiachs" as an original question asked, who are here to test us:
"If he did not succeed to this degree or he was killed, he surely is not [the redeemer] promised by the Torah. [Rather,] he should be considered as all the other proper and legitimate kings of the Davidic dynasty who died. G-d only caused him to arise in order to test the multitude. As it is written [Daniel 11:35], "Some of the wise men will stumble, to purge, to refine, and to clarify, until the appointed time, for it is yet to come."


"Jesus of Nazareth who aspired to be the Moshiach and was executed by the court was also spoken of in Daniel's prophecies [Daniel 11:14], "The renegades among your people shall exalt themselves in an attempt to fulfill the vision, but they shall stumble."


"Can there be a greater stumbling block than [Christianity]? All the prophets spoke of Moshiach as the redeemer of Israel and their savior, who would gather their dispersed ones and strengthen their [observance of] the mitzvos. In contrast [the founder of Christianity] caused the Jews to be slain by the sword, their remnants to be scattered and humiliated, the Torah to be altered, and the majority of the world to err and serve a god other than the L-rd."


"Nevertheless, the intent of the Creator of the world is not within the power of man to comprehend, for [to paraphrase Yeshayahu 55:8] His ways are not our ways, nor are His thoughts our thoughts. [Ultimately,] all the deeds of Jesus of Nazareth and that Ishmaelite [i.e. Mohammed] who arose after him will only serve to pave the way for the coming of Moshiach and for the improvement of the entire world, [motivating the nations] to serve G-d together, as it is written [Zephaniah 3:9], "I will make the peoples pure of speech so that they will all call upon the Name of G-d and serve Him with one purpose."


"How will this come about? The entire world has already become filled with talk of [the supposed] Messiah, as well as of the Torah and the mitzvos. These matters have been spread among many spiritually insensitive nations, who discuss these matters as well as the mitzvos of the Torah. Some of them [i.e. the Christians] say: "These commandments were true, but are not in force in the present age; they are not applicable for all time." Others [i.e. the Moslems] say: "Implied in the commandments are hidden concepts that cannot be understood simply; the Messiah has already come and revealed them."


"When the true Messiah king will arise and prove successful, his [position becoming] exalted and uplifted, they will all return and realize that their ancestors endowed them with a false heritage; their prophets and ancestors cause them to err."
Therefore we must be patient and wait for the Moshiach to come. In that Era there will be neither famine nor war, neither envy nor competition, for good things will flow in abundance and all the delights will be as freely available as dust. The occupation of the entire world will be solely to know G-d. The Jews will therefore be great sages and know the hidden matters, and will attain an understanding of their Creator to the [full] extent of human potential; as it is written [Yeshayahu 11:9], "For the world will be filled with the knowledge of G-d as the waters cover the ocean bed."
 
Genesis 3:9 says: Then the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?"

Why did God ask a question like "where are you"? He did not know where Adam was?
 
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