Are we gods?

[جوري]

yes but you haven't answered my first Q.. Also--I believe a person learns lots more by reading and listening, than preaching... how about you?

 

[snakelegs]

I am looking to share and deliver my soul. What are you looking for??

you'll never guess! i came here to learn more about islam.
i asked what you were looking for because you wrote

I know that I have eternal life, but you are not sure you have it.
I am not trying to preach, but I am trying to scratch down deep enough to find the truth

these 2 statements seem contradictory to me.
p.s. how does one "deliver their soul"? that's a new concept to me. why do you want to "deliver your soul" to an islamic forum?

 

[Muslim Woman]

I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected

With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful


Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)


&&&

I know that I have eternal life,” but you are not sure you have it.

who are not sure about eternal life ....Muslims ?

We believe in life hereafter.......in heaven & hell , there will be no death. So , we all will have eternal lives there.


Sinners ( those who associated partners with God Alimighty ) will beg for death ......but as there will be no more death , they will live in there forever.

 

[rav]

In the Bible, there is a plural name for God Elohim and a singular one. Tell who was God talking to when He said let US make man in our image and likeness?

Shalom,

While some missionaries claim the plural "us" means the Christian trinity, even evangelical commentaries (G. J. Wenham, NIV Study Bible, Charles Ryrie, Jerry Falwell, Keil and Delitzch) recognize this is a fallacy (see Let's Get Biblical, Tovia SInger, p.51). These Christian scholars recognize that there is something called the "majestic plural," i.e. a King speaks on behalf of his kingdom in a plural form. An example is Isaiah 6:6, where G-d says among His retinue of angels "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?"

The absurdity of a trinitarian interpretation is shown by the fact that not once in the Hebrew Bible is a plural verb ever applied to G-d. In Hebrew verbs are conjugated according to gender and singular/plural. The very next verse says "He created," not "they created," with regards to the creation of man.

Rashi has a beautiful explanation: G-d is modeling proper conduct to the reader by showing that one should consult inferiors before acting. Only G-d created man, but G-d showed respect to His subordinates.

 

[Redeemed]

you'll never guess! i came here to learn more about islam.
i asked what you were looking for because you wrote

these 2 statements seem contradictory to me.
p.s. how does one "deliver their soul"? that's a new concept to me. why do you want to "deliver your soul" to an islamic forum?

I understand how you could feel that way. They are not contradictory. Yes, I believe that I have the truth and so do the Muslims believe they have the truth, and yes I am trying to learn about Islam, so I can be more effect in my witness of Jesus. I was hoping to scratch down deep enough for them to see the truth about Jesus (That He is the only hope to glory and not just a mere prophet) I hope you can understand this. I care about my Muslim brothers and sisters, and I know they feel the same way about me; however, we can't both be right. I will never stop trying to reach them and share the wonderful mercy and forgiveness I have received from Allah through Jesus. He has given me the assurance of salvation, and I want them to have this too. So help me God that is my only motive. Unfortunately, however, in the process of doing this, I come off as abrasive and contradictory, but that is not what I want.

 

[Redeemed]

Shalom,

While some missionaries claim the plural "us" means the Christian trinity, even evangelical commentaries (G. J. Wenham, NIV Study Bible, Charles Ryrie, Jerry Falwell, Keil and Delitzch) recognize this is a fallacy (see Let's Get Biblical, Tovia SInger, p.51). These Christian scholars recognize that there is something called the "majestic plural," i.e. a King speaks on behalf of his kingdom in a plural form. An example is Isaiah 6:6, where G-d says among His retinue of angels "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?"

The absurdity of a trinitarian interpretation is shown by the fact that not once in the Hebrew Bible is a plural verb ever applied to G-d. In Hebrew verbs are conjugated according to gender and singular/plural. The very next verse says "He created," not "they created," with regards to the creation of man.

Rashi has a beautiful explanation: G-d is modeling proper conduct to the reader by showing that one should consult inferiors before acting. Only G-d created man, but G-d showed respect to His subordinates.

That is interesting. Why do you leave the o out God (G-d)? So I need to research about why God said Ye are gods in the original text in Psalm 82, and find out why Jesus said "Didn't I say ye are gods; so why to you think it is strange that I said I am the Son of God?"

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Man, why couldnt my posts just be merged here? I answered like 2 pages worth...
No we are not gods, thats where shirk falls in.

---End Quote---
Now your just starting to preach...

Who made the above statement? Who were you quoting from?

Err I actually said that in the other thread.
There was a thread made that was exactly this by him, but it was in the intro. I wrote plenty there.

 

[Redeemed]

I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected

With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful


Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)


&&&




who are not sure about eternal life ....Muslims ?

We believe in life hereafter.......in heaven & hell , there will be no death. So , we all will have eternal lives there.


Sinners ( those who associated partners with God Alimighty ) will beg for death ......but as there will be no more death , they will live in there forever.

Yes, I too believe in the hereafter and heaven and hell. God has already assured me of my salvation from past, present and future sin. It is His goodness that leads me to continual repentance. Allah is good to me, and the devil is a liar and the father of all lies. How can I keep my mouth shut about God’s goodness to me? If I do not share, you will one day curse me. I would rather be cursed now for sharing the love of truth than be cursed later for withholding it.

 

[Redeemed]

Man, why couldnt my posts just be merged here? I answered like 2 pages worth...
No we are not gods, thats where shirk falls in.



Err I actually said that in the other thread.

I understand Jazzy, I don't think I am God, but I do believe I am a king and a priest unto my God.
You are loved,
peace

 

[NoName55]

That is interesting. Why do you leave the o out God (G-d)? So I need to research about why God said Ye are gods in the original text in Psalm 82, and find out why Jesus said "Didn't I say ye are gods; so why to you think it is strange that I said I am the Son of God?"

where? show me!

Psalms 82


ו אֲנִי-אָמַרְתִּי, אֱלֹהִים אַתֶּם; וּבְנֵי עֶלְיוֹן כֻּלְּכֶם.

 

[Redeemed]

yes but you haven't answered my first Q.. Also--I believe a person learns lots more by reading and listening, than preaching... how about you?

Yes, you get no argument from me; it is true that I should be quick to hear and slow to speak!

 

[Redeemed]

lol.. this is easy from an Arabic perspective US or We is used to denote respect and formality-- and I don't imagine it any different in Hebrew.. why don't you study the bible in Aramaic maybe things would make more sense to you then?

Yes, that is what i need to do. You are right again.
Peace

 

[rav]

That is interesting. Why do you leave the o out God (G-d)? So I need to research about why God said Ye are gods in the original text in Psalm 82, and find out why Jesus said "Didn't I say ye are gods; so why to you think it is strange that I said I am the Son of God?"

Shalom,

1. G-d is written this way out of respect.

See: http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=419&o=2402

2. I have no idea why Jesus said such a thing. The "New" Testament misquotes the Tankah in other places as well.

 

[dougmusr]

Sinners ( those who associated partners with God Alimighty ) will beg for death ......but as there will be no more death , they will live in there forever.

So am I to assume the definition of sin in Islam is "those who associated partners with God Alimighty"? This means all other ungodly behavior is not sin but something less, perhaps human error, poor judgement, etc?

 

[جوري]

There are degrees of sin-- certainly associating partners unto G-D is one of the cardinal ones. Yup.. it is right up there... in fact everyone who took another for a G-D on judgment day... Allah will ask them.. why not intercede for your people?-- except for Jesus since he never asked to be worshipped -- Judgement day will be so long-- the span of many thousands of yrs... not an easy day for many and their forefathers in sin and heresy.

peace

 

[rav]

There are degrees of sin-- certainly associating partners unto G-D is one of the cardinal ones. Yup.. it is right up there... in fact everyone who took another for a G-D on judgment day... Allah will ask them.. why not intercede for your people?-- except for Jesus since he never asked to be worshipped -- Judgement day will be so long-- the span of many thousands of yrs... not an easy day for many and their forefathers in sin and heresy.

peace

Shalom,

For reasons involving clarity, may I assume that your belief is that these people will have no hope, and will "burn" forever?

 

[Redeemed]

Shalom,

1. G-d is written this way out of respect.

See: http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=419&o=2402

2. I have no idea why Jesus said such a thing. The "New" Testament misquotes the Tankah in other places as well.

What is Tankah?

 

[Redeemed]

where? show me!

Psalms 82


ו אֲנִי-אָמַרְתִּי, אֱלֹהִים אַתֶּם; וּבְנֵי עֶלְיוֹן כֻּלְּכֶם. 6
I said: Ye are godlike beings, and all of you sons of the Most High.

I looked up the Hebrew for "gods" and it says gods in the ordinary sense; but spec. used (in the plur. thus, esp. with the art) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:- angels, - exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty

 

[Redeemed]

The point is Jesus may not have specifically asked to be worship, but He didn't stop people from doing it, and He did say He was the Son of God, and one day Muslims will tell Him when He returns that that is not what He meant.

 

[Woodrow]

In the Bible, there is a plural name for God Elohim and a singular one. Tell who was God talking to when He said let US make man in our image and likeness?

It really does not make any difference as to what the Bible says. That is very irrelevant. We do not see where the Bible has any religious authority in the form it now exists.

To make any sense to us it would be necessary to ask who was he talking to in the Qur'an.

The closest I can find will be in Surah Al-Baqara:

2:30. And when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth, they said: Wilt thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, while we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee? He said: Surely I know that which ye know not. Y S C

2:31. And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, saying: Inform Me of the names of these, if ye are truthful. Y S C
2:32. They said: Be glorified! We have no knowledge saving that which Thou hast taught us. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower, the Wise. Y S
2:33. He said: O Adam! Inform them of their names, and when he had informed them of their names, He said: Did I not tell you that I know the secret of the heavens and the earth? And I know that which ye disclose and which ye hide. Y S




Pickthal's Quran Translation

Based on that. I beleive he was talking to the Angels who He had created Earlier. I do not believe He(swt) ever said "let us create man in our own image."

Astagfirullah