Ezekiel's failed Prophecy Against Egypt

Why can't he refute the info? Has he been refuted and I have not seen it? Who knows he may be researching, it may be a holiday where Jews cannot use electricity, or he may have a life not revolved around the computer (lol i should get one). While anyway, I suggest reading the evidence I posted about recordings of such a 40 year exile.

Why he can't refute is simply the fault of the scriptural distortion of reality. There is no Jewish holiday from what I know. Also, he is a Rabbi and is a member of numerous religious boards defending Judaism (so yes he does spend considerable time in the computer). Y

You have posted some possibilities, but have no concrete evidence for any of them. I will leave it to back_to_faith to debate with you.

Peace.
 
he is a Rabbi and is a member of numerous religious boards defending Judaism (so yes he does spend considerable time in the computer). Y

That would be:

"rebelishaulman".

I was under the impression that lavikor e-mailed "rav" to come back to this site and specifically answer questions for this and an anti-christian missionary forum since lavi had to leave. At least that is what I was sure I read from him, but I may be wrong.

Either way.

I welcome back to faith to dispute my evidence and points of Nebachadnezzr and the desolation of Egypt being different prophecies. Although, I will not tire myself in defending religions I do not even hold, but I do love comaparative religion and took many classes in colllege.
 
Manchester, you're apparently a Christian. Why dont you update your profile?

Actually I believe his inclinations are more toward Judaism--He is always jumping in to "save the day".. on threads directed toward Jews or Judaism in general.. it is most amusing to observe!
 
I'm actually born of Christian parents but m wife is Jewish (kind of) and I seriously thought of converting to Judaism, but then decided not to, I then decided to convert to Catholicism, but then became a self described agnostic after observing how terrible this world, (or the people in it). But yes, I may have bias towards Christians and Jews, but I completly define myself as a Secularistic-Agnostic. I actually will defend Islam on board run by extremist right wing Christians so possibly I just join up with the minority. :p

A part great part of my major in comaprative religion though was focused on Judaism, and *gasp* Jainism (it gets interesting after the first few ch's on reading about the faith).
 
I'm actually born of Christian parents but m wife is Jewish (kind of) and I seriously thought of converting to Judaism, but then decided not to, I then decided to convert to Catholicism, but then became a self described agnostic after observing how terrible this world, (or the people in it). But yes, I may have bias towards Christians and Jews, but I completly define myself as a Secularistic-Agnostic. I actually will defend Islam on board run by extremist right wing Christians so possibly I just join up with the minority. :p

"orite" fair enough-- whom ever is under dog for the day is where you jump in and help-- an archetypal cyber hero so to speak!

peace!
 
Are u majoring in religion? Where do you study from?

I have majored in religion. My uni days are over. I have to work now, yuck, I wish I could go back to the books again, you don't enjoy it fully until you leave it. :(
 
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Dear rav

first:from now and on I will use the word (Hashem) for your own sake.

second:the accuse that Muslims use atheist opinions,sites etc.....shows nothing but a laziness and a kind of a refrain from answering the arguments ......
the prophecy under discussion,It doesn't need a scientific discovery nor a genieus writing from atheists or others to understand its failure...

The criticism of Ezekiel prophecy ,neither began by me nor by the infidels.org ,it is old one


To warn you, I may both become lethargic, and utilize other sites, or in actuality I may lunge into the research myself.

and I would be really happy if you utilize other sites without giving them the credit as long as their argument not unique nor has been repeated several times by several critics......and hope you get us straight to the topic under discussion ,in order for me not to think that you use the tactic of shifting the topic in order to refrain from answering.

and peace for you

Shalom,

May I first apologize for not being able to respond in a huge amount of depth. I am extremely busy right now, there is no Jewish holiday, but my main concerns are not research to answer people on this site.

I first ask you not to do anything for my sake. My remarks were exclusively for your own sake. Since you’re under the intuition that I am “shifting the topic”, I will oblige and get directly to the point.

That is clearly a failed ,unfulfilled prophecy:
1-None of this ever happened. There are no historical records of a 40-year period when Egypt was so desolate that neither animals nor humans inhabited it
2-The population of Egypt was never scattered among the nations and then regathered to its homeland.
3-It's political influence has fluctuated through the centuries, but there has never been a time when it could have been considered the "lowliest of kingdoms."

that is a clear clue that the writer(s) of Ezekiel ,being obssesed by the 40 years when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, into the wilderness of Sinai........so in his un-inspired writings he got such 40 year suffering, scattering of the Israeli and tried to use it with his wild imagination to apply it to the Egyptians in a failed imaginary prophecy....

A possibility which I have read: Egypt was laid waste in the 27th year of Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, who reigned for 45 years. When his reign ended, 18 years had elapsed since the ruin of Egypt. Evil-Merodach era of kings ascended to the throne next, and reigned for 22 years, which is 40 years since Egypt's destruction. In the first year of Belshazzar, who followed Evil-Merodach as King of Babylon, the prophecy that Persia would conquer Babylon was revealed to Daniel (see Daniel 5:25-28). At that time, in the days of the King of Persia, the Egyptian exiles began to gather and return to Egypt.

Egypt is also still not able to reach the military advantage it use to hold over its neighbors, and much of the world, as today, its military is seen as very “lowly” by much of the world who now hold much greater technology.

I would also like to thank ManchesterFolk who did provide legitimate sources on the exile and occupation of Egypt as well. I am of course sure that such an occupation would not be one that Egyptian kings would wish to record. After all, they did not like to record their military defeats.

I will certainly research into more depth when I return from my trip, I will analyze all opinions from our sages on these passages to understand how they viewed these prophecies and which had "end times" connections and which were separate entities.
 
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Shalom,

I am preparing for a trip that my entire family is taking right now, so if I have time before we leave I will try and go into much more depth in researching the topic, but currently I wish to let you all be aware that it will be difficult the week to be on this site or online enough to answer every question in the Judaism thread.

I pray that you will all have patience, and also recommend any fun places to go when at Disney World with my children. :)
 
Well, you may feel that way, but the figurative lannguage is written about in a variety of commentaries far beyond these discoveries, at least a few I have read.



I have already said that there are a variety of possibilities.


Remember a few posts ago? For now, we then go forward forty years in the Annals and find this entry:

3473 AM, 4183 JP, 531 BC

"(reference 958) Amasis, it seems, defected from Cyrus. The people of Egypt, who had previously been carried away by Nebuchadnezzar, were now being sent back again by Cyrus into their own country, after forty years in exile. They returned to their own kingdom toward the end of the life of Amasis. Egypt was once again a kingdom, very old and ancient, it is true, but the least significant of all of them and no longer of much use to any other country. (Eze 29:11-16 Jer 46:26) (Xenophon, Cyropedia 1.8. c.8.s.1.6:439) Xenophon, in the prologue to his whole work, stated that Cyrus had Egypt in his possession, (Xenophon, Cyropedia 1.1.c.1.s.4.5:7) while all authors agree that it was later subdued by his son Cambyses. Hence, we conclude that in the intervening time they enjoyed their freedom."​

Or....
I said it may not have been fufiiled yet, since they are seperate prophecies as I outlined a few posts ago.




Consider the military might of Egypt back then and now... Egypt is a particle of its former self, and if ytou look at the nations around the world today, especially Nuclear ones, Egypt is not considered a huge threat at all, it is very lowly compared to the mighty empire it once was.








"(reference 958) Amasis, it seems, defected from Cyrus. The people of Egypt, who had previously been carried away by Nebuchadnezzar, were now being sent back again by Cyrus into their own country, after forty years in exile. They returned to their own kingdom toward the end of the life of Amasis. Egypt was once again a kingdom, very old and ancient, it is true, but the least significant of all of them and no longer of much use to any other country. (Eze 29:11-16 Jer 46:26) (Xenophon, Cyropedia 1.8. c.8.s.1.6:439) Xenophon, in the prologue to his whole work, stated that Cyrus had Egypt in his possession, (Xenophon, Cyropedia 1.1.c.1.s.4.5:7) while all authors agree that it was later subdued by his son Cambyses. Hence, we conclude that in the intervening time they enjoyed their freedom."
Or....
I said it may not have been fufiiled yet, since they are seperate prophecies as I outlined a few posts ago.



Quote:
2-Was,Is Egypt considered to be the lowliest of kingdoms? If yes ,where is your proofs?

Consider the military might of Egypt back then and now... Egypt is a particle of its former self, and if ytou look at the nations around the world today, especially Nuclear ones, Egypt is not considered a huge threat at all, it is very lowly compared to the mighty empire it once was.







First of all

the Annals of Ussher can never be trusted as a historical accurate source to use in Ezekiel prophecy ..you ask why?

in the article he wrote:

Ussher combed through the historical accounts of Josephus, Herodotus, Xenophon, Plutarch and hundreds of others. Yes, he did use the Bible as one of his sources . Ussher included over twelve thousand footnotes and over two thousand quotes from the Bible and Apocrypha as part of his work.

3473 AM, 4183 JP, 531 BC

"(reference 958) Amasis, it seems, defected from Cyrus. The people of Egypt, who had previously been carried away by Nebuchadnezzar, were now being sent back again by Cyrus into their own country, after forty years in exile. They returned to their own kingdom toward the end of the life of Amasis. Egypt was once again a kingdom, very old and ancient, it is true, but the least significant of all of them and no longer of much use to any other country. (Eze 29:11-16 Jer 46:26)!!

He used the Biblical claim of the forty years of desolation of Egypt,not a historical writing as his source in the specific passage of Ezekiel under discussion....but

where has ever Josephus,Herodotus, Xenophon, Plutarch,etc(other historical old sources) wrote that Egypt during the the time of Amasis was desolate for 40 years from man and beast from Migdol to Syene and Egyptians scattered among the nations and then regathered to their homeland?


Till the Annals of Ussher provides us of enough secular reference regarding the 40 years of desolation,his quote from Ezekiel and the other two thousand quotes from the Bible and Apocrypha ,holds no merit in the field of serious scholary study..


the prophecy under discussion should be proved to be fulfilled by old,accurate historical documents ,not to prove the Bible by the Bible !!!!!



read introductory to the period of Amasis

http://touregypt.net/herodotusonamasis.htm

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/amasis.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amasis

I have dozens of non online material and references on Ancient Egypt and Amasis which mention nothing at at similar to Ezekiel claim ,such references I will quote if neccesary.

second:

you wrote:

Consider the military might of Egypt back then and now... Egypt is a particle of its former self, and if ytou look at the nations around the world today, especially Nuclear ones, Egypt is not considered a huge threat at all, it is very lowly compared to the mighty empire it once was.


Does it mean, the fact that Egypt is not considered a huge threat at the the nations around the world today ,makes it the lowest of kingdoms?!!Are you serious ?!!
I can count for you a dozen of lower kingdoms than Egypt from the time of Ezekiel till this moment,If you would like.

the cliam that Ancient Egyptian did not like to record their military defeats,completely specious ,in the light of the fact that several military defeats is recorded in ancient Egypt....for example:

Josephus claims to quote directly from Manetho,when he describes the conquest and occupation of Egypt by the Hyksos:

"By main force they easily seized it without striking a blow; and having overpowered the rulers of the land, they hen burned our cities ruthlessly, razed to the ground the temples of gods...Finally, they appointed as king one of their number whose name was Salitis."
 
Shalom,

I am preparing for a trip that my entire family is taking right now, so if I have time before we leave I will try and go into much more depth in researching the topic, but currently I wish to let you all be aware that it will be difficult the week to be on this site or online enough to answer every question in the Judaism thread.

I pray that you will all have patience, and also recommend any fun places to go when at Disney World with my children. :)


Salam,

Have a nice trip rav...:)
 
So you decided to attack the source? Smart strategy...

This is what was said about it:

"Considered not only a classic work of literature, but also esteemed for its preciseness and accuracy, The Annals of the World has not been published in the English language since the 17th century. Almost completely inaccessible to the public for 300 years, this book is a virtual historical encyclopedia with information and footnotes to history that otherwise would have been lost forever. Covering history from the beginning through the first century A.D., Ussher relates both famous accounts and little known events in the lives of the famous and infamous including pharaohs, Caesars, kings, conquerors, thieves, pirates, and murderers. He tells of the rise and fall of great and not-so-great nations and gives accounts of the events that shaped the world. (960 pages - hardbound)"

https://shopping.drdino.com/view_item.php?id=663

"(reference number 881) After Nebuchadnezzar conquered Egypt from Syrene to the very ends of the land, he made havock of the Egyptians and of the Jews who lived there. Some he killed and the rest he led away into captivity, in accordance with Jeremiah's prophecies. (Jer 43:1-44:30 46:1-28 Eze 29 1-31:18)

Pharoahhophra, or Apries, was forced to retreat into the country of Thebes. It seems that Nebuchadnezzar made Amasis his viceroy over all Egypt. Though Herodotus did not know of this, Scaliger observed in his notes Ad Fragmenta:

"The priests of Egypt told Herodotus of such things as he desired to know. They spoke only of things that glorified their country, but concealed the rest. This showed their cowardice and slavery, by concealing the payment of tribute they made to the Chaldeans."​


But either way, I am very curious as to what happend in these years... I will look more into it, in secular sources. I never said I agree with him, but your attack on this prophecy is one where I am not sure it never happend, but either way it could be attributed to a load of things. There seem to be way to many loose ends.
 
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Shalom,

I am preparing for a trip that my entire family is taking right now, so if I have time before we leave I will try and go into much more depth in researching the topic, but currently I wish to let you all be aware that it will be difficult the week to be on this site or online enough to answer every question in the Judaism thread.

I pray that you will all have patience, and also recommend any fun places to go when at Disney World with my children. :)


Go do the water rides, but don't bring your wife if you like to whole "modesty" religious stuff...

I will certainly research into more depth when I return from my trip, I will analyze all opinions from our sages on these passages to understand how they viewed these prophecies and which had "end times" connections and which were separate entities.

That would be interesting, please do post what your "sages" have to say....
 
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So you decided to attack the source? Smart strategy...



But either way, I am very curious as to what happend in these years... I will look more into it, in secular sources. I never said I agree with him, but your attack on this prophecy is one where I am not sure it never happend, but either way it could be attributed to a load of things. There seem to be way to many loose ends.

I'm not all the way attacking the source,Just wonder when the writer said:

"(reference 958) Amasis, it seems, defected from Cyrus. The people of Egypt, who had previously been carried away by Nebuchadnezzar, were now being sent back again by Cyrus into their own country, after forty years in exile. They returned to their own kingdom toward the end of the life of Amasis. Egypt was once again a kingdom, very old and ancient, it is true, but the least significant of all of them and no longer of much use to any other country. (Eze 29:11-16 Jer 46:26) (Xenophon, Cyropedia 1.8. c.8.s.1.6:439)

1-Does the Xenophon, Cyropedia claims that Egypt from Syrene to the very ends of the land was laid waste for 40 years?
the answer is no.

2-Does the Xenophon, Cyropedia claims that after forty years in exile. ALL the Egyptians returned to their own kingdom ?
again ,the answer is no

English Translation of Xenophon's Cyropedia

http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/...nglish_Translation_of_Xenophons_Cyropedia.htm

3-Where is that cliam of the 40 years desolation can only be found?
in (Eze 29:11-16 Jer 46:26)



again my Questions:

1-Where is the historical old source claims that during the period of Amasis ,Egypt stayed for 40 years in "utter waste and a desolation" from Migdol (in the north) to the border of Ethiopia (in the south)?
2-Where is the proofs that Egypt considered from the time of the prophecy till now, to be the "lowliest of kingdoms." ?
 
1-Where is the historical old source claims that during the period of Amasis ,Egypt stayed for 40 years in "utter waste and a desolation" from Migdol (in the north) to the border of Ethiopia (in the south)?
2-Where is the proofs that Egypt considered from the time of the prophecy till now, to be the "lowliest of kingdoms." ?

First off, the utter waste thing may not have happend yet. That may be coming later according to the Bible. What has happend is, Nebachadnezzar did conquer Egypt. Such things as not being inhabbited, etc are different prophecies, which are proclaimed on different days.
 
First off, the utter waste thing may not have happend yet. That may be coming later according to the Bible. What has happend is, Nebachadnezzar did conquer Egypt. Such things as not being inhabbited, etc are different prophecies, which are proclaimed on different days.


Welcome back to the thread Manchester ..

as a matter of fact it seems you never bothered yourself to read Ezekiel 29&30 in context ,which shows without any reasonable doubt that and in explicit language ,that this desolation of Egypt would be done by Nebuchadnezzar and the Such things as not being inhabbited, etc would be the result of his attack on it, read the following in context to know the simplicity of your error regarding the claim(2 prophecies about Egypt in ezekiel)... and plz pay attention to the underlined.

Ezekiel 29

1In the tenth year, in the tenth month, on the twelfth of the month, the word of the LORD came to me saying,
2"Son of man, set your face against Pharaoh king of Egypt and prophesy against him and against all Egypt.

3"Speak and say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD,
"Behold, I am against you, Pharaoh king of Egypt,
The great monster that lies in the midst of his rivers,
That has said, 'My Nile is mine, and I myself have made it.'
4"I will put hooks in your jaws
And make the fish of your rivers cling to your scales.
And I will bring you up out of the midst of your rivers,
And all the fish of your rivers will cling to your scales.
5"I will abandon you to the wilderness, you and all the fish of your rivers;
You will fall on the open field; you will not be brought together or gathered
I have given you for food to the beasts of the earth and to the birds of the sky.
6"Then all the inhabitants of Egypt will know that I am the LORD,
Because they have been only a staff made of reed to the house of Israel.
7"When they took hold of you with the hand,
You broke and tore all their hands;
And when they leaned on you,
You broke and made all their loins quake."

8'Therefore thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will bring upon you a sword and I will cut off from you man and beast.
9"The land of Egypt will become a desolation and waste Then they will know that I am the LORD Because you said, 'The Nile is mine, and I have made it,'

10therefore, behold, I am against you and against your rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt an utter waste and desolation, from Migdol to Syene and even to the border of Ethiopia.
11"A man's foot will not pass through it, and the foot of a beast will not pass through it, and it will not be inhabited for forty years.

12"So I will make the land of Egypt a desolation in the midst of desolated lands And her cities, in the midst of cities that are laid waste, will be desolate forty years; and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations and disperse them among the lands."

13'For thus says the Lord GOD, "At the end of forty years I will gather the Egyptians from the peoples among whom they were scattered.

14"I will turn the fortunes of Egypt and make them return to the land of Pathros, to the land of their origin, and there they will be a lowly kingdom.

15"It will be the lowest of the kingdoms, and it will never again lift itself up above the nations And I will make them so small that they will not rule over the nations.

16"And it will never again be the confidence of the house of Israel, bringing to mind the iniquity of their having turned to Egypt. Then they will know that I am the Lord GOD."'"

17Now in the twenty-seventh year, in the first month, on the first of the month, the word of the LORD came to me saying,

18"Son of man, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon made his army labor hard against Tyre; every head was made bald and every shoulder was rubbed bare. But he and his army had no wages from Tyre for the labor that he had performed against it."

19Therefore thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will give the land of Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon And he will carry off her wealth and capture her spoil and seize her plunder; and it will be wages for his army.

20"I have given him the land of Egypt for his labor which he performed, because they acted for Me," declares the Lord GOD.

21"On that day I will make a horn sprout for the house of Israel, and I will open your mouth in their midst. Then they will know that I am the LORD."



Ezekiel 30

1The word of the LORD came again to me saying,
2"Son of man, prophesy and say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD,
Wail, 'Alas for the day!'
3"For the day is near,
Even the day of the LORD is near;
It will be a day of clouds,
A time of doom for the nations.
4"A sword will come upon Egypt,
And anguish will be in Ethiopia
;
When the slain fall in Egypt,
They take away her wealth,
And her foundations are torn down.

5"Ethiopia, Put, Lud, all Arabia, Libya and the people of the land that is in league will fall with them by the sword."
6'Thus says the LORD,
"Indeed, those who support Egypt will fall
And the pride of her power will come down;
From Migdol to Syene

They will fall within her by the sword,"
Declares the Lord GOD.
7"They will be desolate
In the midst of the desolated lands;
And her cities will be
In the midst of the devastated cities
.

8"And they will know that I am the LORD,
When I set a fire in Egypt
And all her helpers are broken.

9"On that day messengers will go forth from Me in ships to frighten secure Ethiopia; and anguish will be on them as on the day of Egypt; for behold, it comes!"

10'Thus says the Lord GOD,
"I will also make the hordes of Egypt cease
By the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon
.
11"He and his people with him,
The most ruthless of the nations,
Will be brought in to destroy the land;
And they will draw their swords against Egypt
And fill the land with the slain.
12"Moreover, I will make the Nile canals dry
And sell the land into the hands of evil men.
And I will make the land desolateAnd all that is in it,
By the hand of strangers; I the LORD have spoken."

13'Thus says the Lord GOD,
"I will also destroy the idols
And make the images cease from Memphis. And there will no longer be a prince in the land of Egypt;
And I will put fear in the land of Egypt.
14"I will make Pathros desolate,
Set a fire in Zoan
And execute judgments on Thebes.
15"I will pour out My wrath on Sin,
The stronghold of Egypt;
I will also cut off the hordes of Thebes.
16"I will set a fire in Egypt;
Sin will writhe in anguish,
Thebes will be breached
And Memphis will have distresses daily.
17"The young men of On and of Pi-beseth
Will fall by the sword,
And the women will go into captivity.
18"In Tehaphnehes the day will be dark
When I break there the yoke bars of Egypt.
Then the pride of her power will cease in her;
A cloud will cover her,
And her daughters will go into captivity.
19"Thus I will execute judgments on Egypt,
And they will know that I am the LORD."'"


peace for all
 
Right so the first prophecy could be:

1In the tenth year, in the tenth month, on the twelfth of the month, the word of the LORD came to me saying,

Then Neba is mentioned, but after this verse:

17Now in the twenty-seventh year, in the first month, on the first of the month, the word of the LORD came to me saying,

Which makes it seem like a different prophecy since it was at a different time.


4"A sword will come upon Egypt,
And anguish will be in Ethiopia;
When the slain fall in Egypt,
They take away her wealth,
And her foundations are torn down.

5"Ethiopia, Put, Lud, all Arabia, Libya and the people of the land that is in league will fall with them by the sword."
6'Thus says the LORD,
"Indeed, those who support Egypt will fall
And the pride of her power will come down;
From Migdol to Syene
They will fall within her by the sword,"
Declares the Lord GOD.
7"They will be desolate
In the midst of the desolated lands;
And her cities will be
In the midst of the devastated cities.
8"And they will know that I am the LORD,
When I set a fire in Egypt
And all her helpers are broken.

Okay this is one prophecy...


Then the Bible says:


10'Thus says the Lord GOD,
"I will also make the hordes of Egypt cease
By the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon.
11"He and his people with him,
The most ruthless of the nations,
Will be brought in to destroy the land;
And they will draw their swords against EgyptAnd fill the land with the slain. 12"Moreover, I will make the Nile canals dry
And sell the land into the hands of evil men.
And I will make the land desolateAnd all that is in it,


It says ALSO, so could this not mean that he will make another prophecy by also sending Neba to conquer Egypt (and by the way, the Nebachadnezzar did conquer egypt).

Or is my theory to out there of the prophecies not being connected?


Itsays:

'This is what the Sovereign LORD says:
" 'I will put an end to the hordes of Egypt
by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon.

11 He and his army—the most ruthless of nations—
will be brought in to destroy the land.
They will draw their swords against Egypt
and fill the land with the slain.
my comment: The Neba did conquer Egypt at one point, and many died. Read The History of Palestine from the Patriarchal Age to the Present Time By John Kitto P. 315

12 I will dry up the streams of the Nile
and sell the land to evil men;
by the hand of foreigners
I will lay waste the land and everything in it.
I the LORD have spoken.
my comment: we cannot verify or not that the nile dried up at one point, but we have no way of knowing if evil men had a hand in egypt at one point unless u had some connections in egypt that we dont know about.:p

13 " 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says:
" 'I will destroy the idols
and put an end to the images in Memphis. [c]
No longer will there be a prince in Egypt,
and I will spread fear throughout the land.

my comment: the idols in egypt are gone since islam came to it, and there are no more "princes" in egypt either, a bold statement to make when egypt was so powerful at that time, and who would have thought that idolatry would have been gone from egypt at all? Its like me saying that islam will leave saudi arabia, that is how big a prediction like that was!.


LOL, to out there.... or can you see the point i am trying to make? my point is that the actual destruction and exile of the land.... and then Neba conquering it are to different prophecies since they are seperated, and when made, they are pronoucned that the Lord of the Bible told them to Exekiel at different times, (the years are different.)
 
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