Why do you believe what you do? And how did you get to that belief?

[England]

go ahead and do a google search regarding the "small fees" needed by "Spiritualist Churches"

peace!

I've never needed to pay a penny but so what if they need the "small fees." What would these mediums and psychics get out of this? Surely they deserve a little incentive as afterall they are giving readings out to people while they could be at home feeding their family or feet up watching the tv. The "small fee" wouldn't be any more than £2 if some do make you pay. Go and get a reading. The things they come out with are absolutely brilliant.

Spiritualism isn't a religion. Spiritualists don't go out trying to get people to believe it. They don't care. If you believe it then so what? If you don't, again so what? It's not a religion so nobody is trying to get people to make it grow.

 

[Keltoi]

I've never needed to pay a penny but so what if they need the "small fees." What would these mediums and psychics get out of this? Surely they deserve a little incentive as afterall they are giving readings out to people while they could be at home feeding their family or feet up watching the tv. The "small fee" wouldn't be any more than £2 if some do make you pay. Go and get a reading. The things they come out with are absolutely brilliant.

Don't take this the wrong way, but most of these psychics and mediums are very good picking up on random details and going in that direction. I remember a guy named..John Stewart I believe, who had a show on T.V. where he would give readings to people. It was fairly obvious to the casual observer that he was good at what he did, but it also seemed more a matter of slick communication than messages from the other side. Not to say those whom you have had experience with are fakes, although that might be my personal opinion, but one should be careful about buying into that stuff fully.

 

[- Qatada -]

Who says it's the speech of God? :?

That is He, the All*Knower of the unseen and the seen, the All*Mighty, the Most Merciful.

Who made everything He has created good, and He began the creation of man from clay.

Then He made his offspring from semen of worthless water (male and female sexual discharge).

Then He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him the soul (created by Allâh for that person), and He gave you hearing (ears), sight (eyes) and hearts. Little is the thanks you give!​

And they say: "When we are (dead and become) lost in the earth, shall we indeed be recreated anew?" Nay, but they deny the Meeting with their Lord!

Say: "The angel of death, who is set over you, will take your souls, then you shall be brought to your Lord."

And if you only could see when the Mujrimûn (criminals, disbelievers, polytheists, sinners, etc.) shall hang their heads before their Lord (saying): "Our Lord! We have now seen and heard, so send us back (to the world), we will do righteous good deeds. Verily! We now believe with certainty."


And if We had willed, surely! We would have given every person his guidance, but the Word from Me took effect (about evil*doers), that I will fill Hell with jinn and mankind together.

Then taste you (the torment of the Fire) because of your forgetting the Meeting of this Day of yours, (and) surely! We too will forget you, so taste you the abiding torment for what you used to do.

Only those believe in Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), who, when they are reminded of them fall down prostrate, and glorify the Praises of their Lord, and they are not arrogant.

Their sides forsake their beds, to invoke their Lord in fear and hope, and they spend (charity in Allâh's Cause) out of what We have bestowed on them


No person knows what is kept hidden for them of joy as a reward for what they used to do.

Is then he who is a believer like him who is Fâsiq (disbeliever and disobedient to Allâh)? Not equal are they.


[Qur'an Al-Sajda (the Prostration 32: 6-18)]



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That is proof from Qur'an that the Qur'an is the speech of Allaah. If you don't accept that - then you have to bring your proof for why you don't accept it, otherwise it would be well known that it's purely out of arrogance, and God will punish those who feel too arrogant to obey Him, yet He will bestow a great reward upon those who are thankful to Him (by submitting to Him.)

I don't follow religion. I have a belief. I get my information from relatives that have passed away. They try to communicate with us. They guide us through llife and help us because they care. I too will do the same for my family when I pass. You don't know too much about spiritualism. I used to laugh and think "weirdos" until I went to spiritualist churches, not regularly but I did it occasionally.

So this life doesn't really have a purpose at all? Except to contact those who die? What's the point of that if you believe you'll unite with them anyway? And how does God come into this anyway? Whether you're ungrateful or grateful - you'll be rewarded? hm..

 

[جوري]

Well I am glad you found your niche.. I see you neglected the rest of my post-- the fee is clearly not 2 quids...Although even if it were, I find it amusing that a "spiritualist church" would charge fees at all to offer some solace and comfort to people grieving over the loss of a loved one-- charlatans in the guise of humanists! -- It is a shame all the things men will resort to in place of sound rapport with the one who granted them life out of two cells which their parents donated...

I have no more to say on this-- if this works for you-- I am happy then-- but don't be comparing this to age old religions!
peace!

 

[England]

Don't take this the wrong way, but most of these psychics and mediums are very good picking up on random details and going in that direction. I remember a guy named..John Stewart I believe, who had a show on T.V. where he would give readings to people. It was fairly obvious to the casual observer that he was good at what he did, but it also seemed more a matter of slick communication than messages from the other side. Not to say those whom you have had experience with are fakes, although that might be my personal opinion, but one should be careful about buying into that stuff fully.

This is why I say go to a SPIRITUALIST CHURCH. There are frauds out there and if you were to go to a spiritualist church they will tell you that everything outside of the church is a load of crap and are just after money. The ones that make you pay for it or the ones you see on tv are all fake. The spiritualist church are the ones to go to otherwise I wouldn't have to leave my home for a reading but I am aware of the scammers.
At the spiritualist church they don't even know you. In fact they don't even know you're coming. You go in without booking an appointment or anything so there's no chance of them getting information from you.

 

[England]

That is He, the All*Knower of the unseen and the seen, the All*Mighty, the Most Merciful.

Who made everything He has created good, and He began the creation of man from clay.

Then He made his offspring from semen of worthless water (male and female sexual discharge).

Then He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him the soul (created by Allâh for that person), and He gave you hearing (ears), sight (eyes) and hearts. Little is the thanks you give!


And they say: "When we are (dead and become) lost in the earth, shall we indeed be recreated anew?" Nay, but they deny the Meeting with their Lord!

Say: "The angel of death, who is set over you, will take your souls, then you shall be brought to your Lord."

And if you only could see when the Mujrimûn (criminals, disbelievers, polytheists, sinners, etc.) shall hang their heads before their Lord (saying): "Our Lord! We have now seen and heard, so send us back (to the world), we will do righteous good deeds. Verily! We now believe with certainty."


And if We had willed, surely! We would have given every person his guidance, but the Word from Me took effect (about evil*doers), that I will fill Hell with jinn and mankind together.

Then taste you (the torment of the Fire) because of your forgetting the Meeting of this Day of yours, (and) surely! We too will forget you, so taste you the abiding torment for what you used to do.

Only those believe in Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), who, when they are reminded of them fall down prostrate, and glorify the Praises of their Lord, and they are not arrogant.

Their sides forsake their beds, to invoke their Lord in fear and hope, and they spend (charity in Allâh's Cause) out of what We have bestowed on them


No person knows what is kept hidden for them of joy as a reward for what they used to do.

Is then he who is a believer like him who is Fâsiq (disbeliever and disobedient to Allâh)? Not equal are they.


[Qur'an Al-Sajda (the Prostration 32: 6-18)]



That is proof from Qur'an that the Qur'an is the speech of Allaah. If you don't accept that - then you have to bring your proof for why you don't accept it, otherwise it would be well known that it's purely out of arrogance, and God will punish those who feel too arrogant to obey Him, yet He will bestow a great reward upon those who are thankful to Him (by submitting to Him.)

I don't believe in the Quran therefore it means nothing to me. It's not proof.

So this life doesn't really have a purpose at all? Except to contact those who die? What's the point of that if you believe you'll unite with them anyway? And how does God come into this anyway? Whether you're ungrateful or grateful - you'll be rewarded? hm..

As I said, this is just a shell that we are in. We are put here to experience life but the important one will be the next. One thing's for sure, we're not put here to worship for the rest of our lives.

You can laugh at my beliefs all you want because quite frankly I myself do the same about Islam.

 

[- Qatada -]

I don't believe in the Quran therefore it means nothing to me. It's not proof.

Then bring me evidence to prove otherwise?

As I said, this is just a shell that we are in. We are put here to experience life but the important one will be the next. One thing's for sure, we're not put here to worship for the rest of our lives.

And you know that how?



PS: I'm not laughing, i just dont understand how your beliefs are so true?

 

[England]

Then bring me evidence to prove otherwise?

Yeah sure after you show proof that the Quran is the speech of God.

PS: I'm not laughing, i just dont understand how your beliefs are so true?

I ask myself that same question when people say Islam is the one true religion.

Until you go to a spiritualist church a few times I'm finding it difficult to talk about this as you just don't understand. There's no reason for me to continue to talk about my beliefs as, as I stated earlier, I'm not bothered who believes me and who doesn't.

"If you believe in it, so what? If you don't, again, so what?" I'm not going to force it down peoples' throats. I'm surprised I even spoke of this for so long. I'm not a spiritualist geek, nor am I a religious geek. I'm obviously bored tonight.

Go to a spiritualist church a couple of times with an open mind, not negative, and I promise that you will be impressed.

 

[- Qatada -]

Yeah sure after you show proof that the Quran is the speech of God.

Okay, theres many scientific proofs from Qur'an which weren't discovered until this century. Yet the Qur'an was revealed over 1400years ago in a desert land where the majority were ignorant people who never knew how to even read or write.


No-ones ever been able to replicate the Qur'an, not even a chapter like it. Even if it was the most powerful arab speakers etc. And the shortest chapter in the Qur'an is only 3 verses long.

I urge you to check this link to see its true beauty:
http://sabbir.com/DownloadHalal.html


The Qur'an transformed a society of backward people who would kill, rape, be ill-mannered, and perform all sorts of evil be transformed into the most advanced nation in the whole world - within 23years. To the extent where there morals had become at the highest peak among mankind [even compared to today], its people the most knowledgable and the leaders of the world, it transformed the whole world from the depths of darkness in the middle ages to the New Ages. If it wasn't for Islaam and obviously the will of Allaah - the world wouldn't be in the advanced state it is in today. And that's in regard to Europe etc.


As one Non-Muslim author says:

Glubb finds that in religious toleration,


“the Muslims of the seventh century had abstained from persecution and had permitted Jews and Christians to practise their own laws and to elect their own judges. Yet nearly a thousand years later, people in Europe were still being tortured and burned alive for their faith. And in general, the Ottomans continued the policy of religious toleration which they had inherited from the Arabs.” Glubb

Tolerant and Humane Aspects of Muslim Civilisation


And how Islaam transformed all of Europe?


At a time when London was a tiny mud-hut village that "could not boast of a single streetlamp" (Digest, 1973, p. 622), in Cordova

"there were half a million inhabitants, living in 113,000 houses. There were 700 mosques and 300 public baths spread throughout the city and its twenty-one suburbs. The streets were paved and lit." (Burke, 1985, p. 38)

This is in regard to Muslim Spain and how it advanced European Culture.


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The whole world transformed after Islaam, just One Divine Book, and One Prophet of God. Yet if it wasn't for this, maybe the world would still be in a state of chaos where people all over the world would kill people unjustly and ruthlessly and everyone would be in a state of injustice?


If One Book and One Messenger changed the whole world - then i truelly believe that it is Revelation from God Almighty. He brought us from the darkness of misguidance into the light of the true purpose of our creation, from the narrowness of this life, to the vastness of this life and the hereafter. ​

I ask myself that same question when people say Islam is the one true religion.

Until you go to a spiritualist church a few times I'm finding it difficult to talk about this as you just don't understand. There's no reason for me to continue to talk about my beliefs as, as I stated earlier, I'm not bothered who believes me and who doesn't.

"If you believe in it, so what? If you don't, again, so what?" I'm not going to force it down peoples' throats. I'm surprised I even spoke of this for so long. I'm not a spiritualist geek, nor am I a religious geek. I'm obviously bored tonight.

Go to a spiritualist church a couple of times with an open mind, not negative, and I promise that you will be impressed.

Thanks for the offer, i'm comfortable with my belief though since i can pray to God directly and I know that He will answer my prayer.

When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every supplicant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way. [Qur'an 2: 186]


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Peace.

 

[England]

Well I am glad you found your niche.. I see you neglected the rest of my post-- the fee is clearly not 2 quids...Although even if it were, I find it amusing that a "spiritualist church" would charge fees at all to offer some solace and comfort to people grieving over the loss of a loved one-- charlatans in the guise of humanists! -- It is a shame all the things men will resort to in place of sound rapport with the one who granted them life out of two cells which their parents donated...

I have no more to say on this-- if this works for you-- I am happy then-- but don't be comparing this to age old religions!
peace!

It's a bag of crap. I've never paid a fee. I don't what some website says or what someone says I have never paid a fee for a spiritualist church. Do you think spiritualism is a new belief and that it's only recently come out lol?
It is you that keeps comparing this to religions. I have said over and over again that IT ISN'T A RELIGION.

 

[England]

Okay, theres many scientific proofs from Qur'an which weren't discovered until this century. Yet the Qur'an was revealed over 1400years ago in a desert land where the majority were ignorant people who never knew how to even read or write.


No-ones ever been able to replicate the Qur'an, not even a chapter like it. Even if it was the most powerful arab speakers etc. And the shortest chapter in the Qur'an is only 3 verses long.

I urge you to check this link to see its true beauty:
http://sabbir.com/DownloadHalal.html


The Qur'an transformed a society of backward people who would kill, rape, be ill-mannered, and perform all sorts of evil be transformed into the most advanced nation in the whole world - within 23years. To the extent where there morals had become at the highest peak among mankind [even compared to today], its people the most knowledgable and the leaders of the world, it transformed the whole world from the depths of darkness in the middle ages to the New Ages. If it wasn't for Islaam and obviously the will of Allaah - the world wouldn't be in the advanced state it is in today. And that's in regard to Europe etc.


As one Non-Muslim author says:

Glubb finds that in religious toleration,


“the Muslims of the seventh century had abstained from persecution and had permitted Jews and Christians to practise their own laws and to elect their own judges. Yet nearly a thousand years later, people in Europe were still being tortured and burned alive for their faith. And in general, the Ottomans continued the policy of religious toleration which they had inherited from the Arabs.” Glubb

Tolerant and Humane Aspects of Muslim Civilisation


And how Islaam transformed all of Europe?


At a time when London was a tiny mud-hut village that "could not boast of a single streetlamp" (Digest, 1973, p. 622), in Cordova

"there were half a million inhabitants, living in 113,000 houses. There were 700 mosques and 300 public baths spread throughout the city and its twenty-one suburbs. The streets were paved and lit." (Burke, 1985, p. 38)

This is in regard to Muslim Spain and how it advanced European Culture.


​

The whole world transformed after Islaam, just One Divine Book, and One Prophet of God. Yet if it wasn't for this, maybe the world would still be in a state of chaos where people all over the world would kill people unjustly and ruthlessly and everyone would be in a state of injustice?


If One Book and One Messenger changed the whole world - then i truelly believe that it is Revelation from God Almighty. He brought us from the darkness of misguidance into the light of the true purpose of our creation, from the narrowness of this life, to the vastness of this life and the hereafter. ​

Thanks for the offer, i'm comfortable with my belief though since i can pray to God directly and I know that He will answer my prayer.

When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every supplicant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way. [Qur'an 2: 186]


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Peace.

It still doesn't convince me as proof lol. The day you prove the Quran and Islam is true, and that God really is evil, which he isn't, the day I become muslim :X
I'm comfortable with my belief and I too can pray to God directly and know that He will answer my prayers and He has done.

 

[Keltoi]

It still doesn't convince me as proof lol. The day you prove the Quran and Islam is true, and that God really is evil, which he isn't, the day I become muslim :X
I'm comfortable with my belief and I too can pray to God directly and know that He will answer my prayers and He has done.

What do you mean by "prove that God really is evil"? Did you intend to say that or something else?

 

[جوري]

It's a bag of crap.

the websites say differently-- I suppose it is your word against hundreds of google links!

I've never paid a fee.

Good for you!

I don't what some website says or what someone says I have never paid a fee for a spiritualist church.

And you are looking for approval or to be applauded for not having paid?

Do you think spiritualism is a new belief and that it's only recently come out lol?

Does it matter what I think of this so called quakery in the form of "spiritualism"? I don't see how this relates!

It is you that keeps comparing this to religions. I have said over and over again that IT ISN'T A RELIGION.

This is the comparative religion.. why are you posting your beliefs here? There is always general chat!

peace

 

[England]

What do you mean by "prove that God really is evil"? Did you intend to say that or something else?

If you read the earlier posts, it's referring to the Quran saying God will send non muslims to hell and get tortured for not following Islam. To me that portrays Him as evil. That's wrong. He's the opposite.

 

[FatimaAsSideqah]

It still doesn't convince me as proof lol. The day you prove the Quran and Islam is true, and that God really is evil, which he isn't, the day I become muslim :X
I'm comfortable with my belief and I too can pray to God directly and know that He will answer my prayers and He has done.

Greetings

God is not evil! How do you say that if you believe in God? That is not common of sense! Explain to us why did you said that?

Peace!

 

[England]

the websites say differently-- I suppose it is your word against hundreds of google links!


Good for you!

And you are looking for approval or to be applauded for not having paid?


Does it matter what I think of this so called quakery in the form of "spiritualism"? I don't see how this relates!

This is the comparative religion.. why are you posting your beliefs here? There is always general chat!

peace

That's a nice ending lol. I too was getting fed up of this subject as I was constantly repeating myself

 

[- Qatada -]

Hey Keltoi.


I think he's purposelly saying it, since he doesn't understand the concept of being responsible for ones own errors. But if he believes that - then he'll come to know on the Day of Judgement. If he doesn't accept his errors, then atleast his body and the world will be a witness for him or against him and no-one will be dealt with unjustly.


So let those who disbelieve carry on drowning in their sense of darkness, because we are waiting, and you too are waiting. And on that day - no soul will bear the burden of another and man will be responsible for his/her own deeds. We pray to Allaah to make us of the successful. Because God did not create us for no purpose at all, and the real life is the one to come.

The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout Like a goat-herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom. [Qur'an 2: 171]
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[England]

Greetings

God is not evil! How do you say that if you believe in God? That is not common of sense! Explain to us why did you said that?

Peace!

Read above. The One and ONLY God I believe in is Good. He will not harm anyone for their beliefs or lack of because He isn't evil. Simple.

 

[Uthman]

Yeah sure after you show proof that the Quran is the speech of God.

I would just like to quote what Ansar said in this post:

I'll try to give you a comprehensive answer as to why the Qur'an is regarded the way it is by so many people.

1. The Power of the Qur'anic Message:

-it is universal, unrestricted by time and applicable to any nation/culture. The Qur'an is by far the most widely followed and acted-upon book in the world. As for the Bible, most Christians follow the Church over the Bible, and each denomination has its own bible anyway. The fact that there is no other book in the world that forms the constitution of the lives of billions of followers is itself a sign.
-it is practical and logical, it can be established practically in society and is logically able to address the fundamental questions relating to all aspects of our universe.
-it is comprehensive, addressing all fundamental sectors of human life, be it spritual, physical, mental, social/societal, politcal, environmental, economic, etc.
-it is natural, in concordance with a person's nature and what they feel deep inside to be the truth.
-it is clear and consistent, free of the changes in worldview and understanding that dominate the works of human beings.
-it is deep, having provoked thousands upon thousands of volumes of exegesis, expounding upon its meaning and revealing fascinating details that many people otherwise miss in their reading of the Qur'an.​

2. The Power of the Qur'anic Style:

-it is Interactive, the text seems alive as it responds to the very questions that arise in one's mind at that moment. It speaks to the reader and delivers specific yet universal advice.
-it is Inerrant, free from contradictons and discrepancies, or other errors that would normally be found in the works of human beings.
-it is Memorizable; the Qur'an is the only book in the world which is continuously being memorized by millions of people and recited daily. No other book has been committed to memory by so many followers, as though it fits in one's mind as a key in a lock.
-its Language, the Qur'anic arabic is a stunning miracle in itself, its style is powerful and its recitation is melodious. More info: Here, Here, Here.​

3. The Power of the Qur'anic Text:

-it is Preserved, even after fourteen and a half centuries, the Qur'an is recited today exactly as it was first revealed. Thus it was free of the tampering that befell other religious scriptures.
-its other Remarkable features; many Muslims find a striking concordance between many Qur'anic statements and established scientific truths, which could not have been known by any normal human being 14 centuries ago. (see here). Many Muslims have also found the Qur'anic perfection extends even to various mathematical miracles within the text. As well, there are the Qur'anic Prophecies.
-its Authorship; the context in which the Qur'an was revealed leaves the reader with no other conclusion than the fact that it could only be the word of God.​

This is just my summary of the miraculous features Muslims find in the Qur'an. For more information, please see section 3c of The First and Final Commandment.

Regards

 

[جوري]

Read above. The One and ONLY God I believe in is Good. He will not harm anyone for their beliefs or lack of because He isn't evil. Simple.

Simple yes-- but neither deep nor reflective!
peace