Are we gods?

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The author of your source didn't! After providing that list Holding then proceeds to completely dismantle it before ending with;

My bad I did not read far enough. I did not notice that was a refutation site. I was familiar with the Cybele and Attis Myths and the 10 points are essentialy What the myth says. However, perhaps it is good that the site I found was a refutation site. I would prefer, having an error pointed out immediatly than to promote a falsehood.

I do reserve the right to refute the refutation as I have read the story many times in my younger days and I always saw it being essentially the same story as the Resurrection story. I'll try to find just a good translation of the story.
 
I have a thing against idle speech, idle thought and offensive threads.. I feel it is my right to voice my opinion. I try to read what most people have to say to learn from them, but I can't get past your repetitive rhetoric-- I have no feelings toward you, short of those I feel for humanity in general... You can be anybody.. I don't go around hating or rather as you said (not loving) a random anybody.
Do you feel like you are reaching people here? Even your fellow Christians?

peace!
That is a good question. First of all, I am not trying to win Christians and the answer to the other question is NO. I do not feel that I am reaching anyone here, but I believe that G-d's word will not return void. I have been reading the Qur'an for the first time today, and I can see we this thread and what I say is offensive to you. The Koran is replete with cursing those who join gods to Allah. And that is what you think we Christians are all about. I tell you the truth; it is idolatry to join gods to the Most High. I do not believe that Jesus is any more than the word of God in relationship to Him. He is not God the Father; He is His Word. I believe God is ONE and He is a Spirit. He is also Holy; I believe He is The Holy Spirit. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN MORE THAN ONE GOD. I DO NOT ACCEPT THE WORD TRINITY because it is not in the Bible. The Bible says that Allah is the god of the worlds, but the Bible says that Satan is the god of this world, and to be friends with the world is to be enemies of G-d. As far as our relationship goes, I am not just anybody. I am someone you have met in the spirit of words. You know me by my word just as I know you, and we will meet if not in this life in the hereafter on judgment day. You have never met Muhammad. Does that cause you to be indifferent toward him? NO, you know him through his words just as we know each other from our words. Words a powerful they lift up or they knock down they bless or they curse and everyone is accountable for every idle word they speak.
You are loved in Christ.
 
I am not going to have at this with you..
pls don't make an assimilation of yourself and Prophet Mohammed PBUH --or any other prophet of G-D for that matter. I am hoping I don't meet with you on the day of judgement.. May Allah keep steadfast unto the path of the righteous...
Amên
peace
 
I am not going to have at this with you..
pls don't make an assimilation of yourself and Prophet Mohammed PBUH --or any other prophet of G-D for that matter. I am hoping I don't meet with you on the day of judgement.. May Allah keep steadfast unto the path of the righteous...
Amên
peace
OK, but I think you missed my point. I wasn't trying to compare or assilimate myself with the Prophet Muhammad or any prophet of God for that matter. My point was simply that you know who someone is by their words. I know Jesus by His words and I know you by yours. That is all. Please, don't make this into something it is not. And believe me I got your message. You want nothing to do with me.
 
GOD IS ONE

Your God is One God. There is no god but Him… (Qur'an, 2:163)

… "He is God, Absolute Oneness." (Qur'an, 112:1)

New Testament

... The Lord our God, the Lord is One. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, with all your mind and with all your strength… You are right in saying that God is One, and there is no other but Him. (Mark 12:29, 30, 32)

Old Testament

"There is no one like You, O Lord, and there is no God but You." (1 Chronicles 17:20)

You were shown these things so that you might know that the Lord is God; besides Him, there is no other. (Deuteronomy 4:35)


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exactly
 
OK, but I think you missed my point. I wasn't trying to compare or assilimate myself with the Prophet Muhammad or any prophet of God for that matter. My point was simply that you know who someone is by their words. I know Jesus by His words and I know you by yours. That is all. Please, don't make this into something it is not. And believe me I got your message. You want nothing to do with me.

I don't have the strong feelings you ascribe one way or the other...I am just not learning from you!.. you repeat the same things in every post ... I know you don't enjoy the word "preach".. but that is all I get... if that were your aim then by all means carry on.

peace!
 
I don't have the strong feelings you ascribe one way or the other...I am just not learning from you!.. you repeat the same things in every post ... I know you don't enjoy the word "preach".. but that is all I get... if that were your aim then by all means carry on.

peace!
Thank you for that kind word. I really appreciate that you weren't harsh with me, because it would hurt me. I am sorry your not learning anything from me. That is a little discouraging, especially, when I am a teacher by profession. Nevertheless, as weak and unprofitable I am to G-d. I can only trust that when I am weak I am strong in Him. And it is not by accident we are communicating.
Peace
 
Thank you for that kind word. I really appreciate that you weren't harsh with me, because it would hurt me. I am sorry your not learning anything from me. That is a little discouraging, especially, when I am a teacher by profession. Nevertheless, as weak and unprofitable I am to G-d. I can only trust that when I am weak I am strong in Him. And it is not by accident we are communicating.
Peace

here is to hoping you are teaching English and not math...

peace!
 
What about the others before him who had said the same thing?

Have you ever read the story of Attis? This comes directly from Greek Mythology.

ttis of Phrygia offers very little grist for the pagan copycat theorists; indeed, even Acharya S offers less than a dozen points of correspondence, and Freke and Gandy barely find Attis worth a mention. Therefore our item this time will be fairly short.

Acharya's items listed are as follows [107-8]:

1. Attis was born on December 25th of the Virgin Nana.
2. He was considered the savior who was slain for the salvation of mankind.
3. His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers.
4. His priests were "eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven."
5. He was both the Divine Son and the Father.
6. On "Black Friday," he was crucified on a tree, from which his holy blood ran down to redeem the earth.
7. He descended into the underworld.
8. After three days, Attis was resurrected on March 25th (as tradition held of Jesus) as the "Most High God."
9. Doane is recorded as saying that Attis was represented as a "a man tied to a tree, at the foot of which was a lamb, and, without doubt also as a man nailed to a tree..."
10. Jackson is reported as saying that on March 22nd, a pine tree was felled and "an effigy of the god was affixed to it, thus being slain and hung on a tree..." Later the priests are supposed to have found Attis' grave empty.

Source: http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/attis.html

you may want to do some google searches and find out more about Attis and Cybele

Remember this was all recorded in Greece before Christ(as) was born. Just one of the reasons I feel Paul added some Greek Mythology to Christianity.
I don't doubt that what you share is true, but I know that Satan is not a creator he is a mocker and all he can do is be a countfeit to the real things of God to bring confusion. He is the lord of confusion and the flies. Jesus is true and righteous altogether. He loves you, and G-d is not willing that any should perish but that all come to the knowledge of the truth.
 
I don't doubt that what you share is true, but I know that Satan is not a creator he is a mocker and all he can do is be a countfeit to the real things of God to bring confusion. He is the lord of confusion and the flies. Jesus is true and righteous altogether. He loves you, and G-d is not willing that any should perish but that all come to the knowledge of the truth.

I have no doubts about your sincerity. One good thing I see coming from this is that now you may have some understanding as to why Muslims are highly offended by Evangelists. I do give you credit for at least taking the initiative to attempt to understand what our views and beliefs are.
 
I have no doubts about your sincerity. One good thing I see coming from this is that now you may have some understanding as to why Muslims are highly offended by Evangelists. I do give you credit for at least taking the initiative to attempt to understand what our views and beliefs are.
Thank you again. I do sincerely want to understand and not offend. I feel good that at least you understand my heart. However, I want to obey what I believe G-d wants me to share regardless of the cost. I can only hope that the Lord will give me wisdom for the asking in all I do and share so that it is not I leaning to my own understanding of which I know I have been guilty of in the past. Muslims and even the Christians have set me straight at times. I trust that Allah will judge me justly. Each of us has to operate according to our own faith, which G-d gives to individuals in different measures. Allah is great and may we all come to a greater understanding of truth on this forum. It is comforting to know that even though you disagree with my views that you see me as sincere. I am truly thankful for that.
 
Are we gods?

I don't know, but I have heard it said that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic - or miracles.

All the same, I believe in the abilities of humans to forge their own destinies. There is no fate, only the power of will.
 
Are we gods?

I don't know, but I have heard it said that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic - or miracles.

All the same, I believe in the abilities of humans to forge their own destinies. There is no fate, only the power of will.

Did u know that the foolishness of God is greater than the wisdom of men, and that there is a way that seems right to a man, but that way leads to death. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God Romans 6:23 Why should God forgive you or me for that matter? You might tell me because He is merciful or you don't believe He is alive. He is merciful; however, He is also just. We believe that His justice will not allow you or me to escape the punishment for our wickedness such as our sins in the past, present and future. “For the wages of sin is death (eternal separation from God in hell forever), but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ.” Why such a gift? Because God loves us He allowed Jesus to take our sentence of death so that He instead became the curse and sin for us so that we could have His righteousness before God. On the judgment day, I will stand before God in the same righteousness of Jesus, but you will stand in your own righteousness. Do not be saddened for me. My name as I write to you is written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. “How can we hope to escape the judgment of God if we neglect so great a salvation?” This is why I will not revert. We are free in Christ. There are no obligatory prayers or fasts for us we are free. That is bondage. We are free from religious tradition and formalities. We don't have religion we have a relationship with God in where He considers us friends, because our sins have been washed clean by the blood of the Lamb. The angel of death will claim all who don't have their hearts covered by the blood of the Lamb (Jesus) just like the death angel claimed the first born of every home that didn't have the door post of their house marked with lamb's blood. Jesus said, “Behold I stand at the door and knock if any man hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into him and sup with him.” I hsope you make the right choice, because we do have the gift of free will. We are free to choose as we wish, but we are not free from the consquences of those choices. At least Muslims and Christians are following God in their own way, but it is the fool that says in his heart, there is no God.
Peace
 
Did u know that the foolishness of God is greater than the wisdom of men, and that there is a way that seems right to a man, but that way leads to death. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God Romans 6:23 Why should God forgive you or me for that matter? You might tell me because He is merciful or you don't believe He is alive. He is merciful; however, He is also just. We believe that His justice will not allow you or me to escape the punishment for our wickedness such as our sins in the past, present and future. “For the wages of sin is death (eternal separation from God in hell forever), but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ.” Why such a gift? Because God loves us He allowed Jesus to take our sentence of death so that He instead became the curse and sin for us so that we could have His righteousness before God. On the judgment day, I will stand before God in the same righteousness of Jesus, but you will stand in your own righteousness. Do not be saddened for me. My name as I write to you is written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. “How can we hope to escape the judgment of God if we neglect so great a salvation?” This is why I will not revert. We are free in Christ. There are no obligatory prayers or fasts for us we are free. That is bondage. We are free from religious tradition and formalities. We don't have religion we have a relationship with God in where He considers us friends, because our sins have been washed clean by the blood of the Lamb. The angel of death will claim all who don't have their hearts covered by the blood of the Lamb (Jesus) just like the death angel claimed the first born of every home that didn't have the door post of their house marked with lamb's blood. Jesus said, “Behold I stand at the door and knock if any man hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into him and sup with him.” I hsope you make the right choice, because we do have the gift of free will. We are free to choose as we wish, but we are not free from the consquences of those choices. At least Muslims and Christians are following God in their own way, but it is the fool that says in his heart, there is no God.
Peace

Whoa, run-on sentence alert!

But back onto topic, did I say that Biblical miracles were caused by sufficiently advanced technology? No. I wasn't there to judge them in particular, so...

What I did say is that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from miracles or magic, which explains various "ancient astronaut" theories which have been put forth to explain hitherto inexplicable superstitions of certain indigenous tribes in South East Asia, and why Montezuma believed that Cortes and the Spanish were gods because they could seemingly strike down his people with jets of fire (guns) and had strange beasts under their command (horses).

And there is still no fate, only the power of will. There is a Russian proverb which says, "Pray to God, but keep rowing to shore." That is what I had in mind.
 
Whoa, run-on sentence alert!

But back onto topic, did I say that Biblical miracles were caused by sufficiently advanced technology? No. I wasn't there to judge them in particular, so...

What I did say is that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from miracles or magic, which explains various "ancient astronaut" theories which have been put forth to explain hitherto inexplicable superstitions of certain indigenous tribes in South East Asia, and why Montezuma believed that Cortes and the Spanish were gods because they could seemingly strike down his people with jets of fire (guns) and had strange beasts under their command (horses).

And there is still no fate, only the power of will. There is a Russian proverb which says, "Pray to God, but keep rowing to shore." That is what I had in mind.
I see, I guess it was the name you chose as your way of life that spoke louder than what you were actually saying. I have no problem with onr doing what they can and letting God do what they can't, and that is true about the Idians thinking these guys were gods etc.
 
I see, I guess it was the name you chose as your way of life that spoke louder than what you were actually saying. I have no problem with onr doing what they can and letting God do what they can't, and that is true about the Idians thinking these guys were gods etc.

Encolpius?

Well, the Satyricon isn't exactly the most Godly of novels, that's for sure!!!!
 
Some say that the Bible is not reliable and the Qur'an is. It may be true that we no longer have any perfect copy of the inerrant original manuscripts of the Bible. But that would be true of us having an imperfect view of Christ Jesus, because He is not here to talk to in the flesh so to speak. All we Christians have is our faith in Him and what He said. As I have mentioned in a previous thread, it is not so much reliability as validity that is important. For instance, we could have a Newspaper that is totally accurate (reliable) and free from any errors whatsoever even free of typos, that doesn't make it the word of God. I think we Christians are chasing rabbits to try to defend the Bible. We don't have to. All we have to do is unleash it. The Bible in its entirety points to Jesus as the total spiritual sum of all things. Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties might be of interest to any scholar. It has shown me in so many words the following statements above and the following: Defend the Bible, no, I don't think so. "A roaring Lion does not need to be defended from a mouse." The Bible is living; it is a live wire; it's a seed when mixed with water and the light of truth brings forth fruit leading to eternal life in Jesus Christ.
PS I have moved this over to another thread.
 
alipiana - most translations of the Bible say "GodLike creatures" or "Angels" or something like that.. basically very loved, important people :)
 

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