Sarkozy- new president of France !!

[Amadeus85]

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Yes it is very good idea. This is what i call real multiculturalism. Sources of immigration must be much more divided than nowadays.
Europe shall let in only those immigrants who want to integrate.
The rest can stay in their homes.
By the way, Latinos and East Asians integrate quite well with western values.

 

[Hashim_507]

This man name Sarkozy will put France in jeapordy; he really should not be elected. Doesnt really effected muslim community in France; he will stand against hijab. All his promises is just another lying politician, their is no differances.

 

[Amadeus85]

This man name Sarkozy will put France in jeapordy; he really should not be elected. Doesnt really effected muslim community in France; he will stand against hijab. All his promises is just another lying politician, their is no differances.

No matter what, he was elected by the majority, so he should get his chance to show what he wants to improve.

 

[Lina]

What a sad situation,

Immigrants got a raw deal in France.

I don't see any change in the banlieues, it's to great of a problem to tackle withing a few years.

It's a long term deal if you're trying to handle this.
Sarkozy is only making matters worse, i'm afraid.

He resembles P.Fortuyn.

Allahu A'lam.

 

[Lina]

I don’t think it’s a reasonable presumption to claim that ”immigrants got a raw deal in France.”

I’ll qualify that a bit by saying that if you’re an immigrant who insists on flouting the laws of France by presuming that you can torch cars on the streets, burn down buildings, create mayhem and destroy property without consequence then I would hope that those immigrants do get a raw deal.

I’ll put myself in the role of the victims of those crimes noted above who work for a living, pay taxes, value their life and property and are struggling to deal with the challenges of making a living.

It’s not all about you.

They do and did.
What happened in Clichy-sous-Bois was an explosion of all the hatred against immigrants. They had enough.
Police brutality during identity checks against immigrants is a fact.
In fact; In April 2005, Amnesty international referred to this in their annual report.

Don't you think that it won't backfire on you when you use violence instead of lending a hand and actually getting these people out of the horrible situation they are in, get them of the streets without using violence, create a healthy environment, being a part of the society.
Banlieues are the product of discrimination in many fields of social and economic life.
They're islolated from the main cities, that's enough proof that they have been forgotten a long time ago.
They are being pushed further outside the society.

Don't take on the victim role, you have and will always pay taxes no matter what the situation is. Please, as if you offered, it's your obligation.

If they got a chance to work for a living, they would.
Try finding a job as an immigrant.
Youth unemployment in the banlieus is more than 40 percent, three times the national average.
Do you really think that they enjoy vandalism, unemployment?
They are protesting against oppression and racism.

Insurance will cover, right?

 

[Hashim_507]

This is the end of France relations with the muslim nations. This man would not be friendly to muslim nations. His another Bush in europe, and does not want diversity in France.

 

[Goku]

No Muezzin, Sarko is not a fascist. He is just conservative politicain that France needed from long time. And Sarkozy isnt afraid of using true and politicly uncorrect words. Thats why he was called a fascist by the eurpean Left. Leftists would call anybody a fascists who disagree with them, even me and you . Its their typical propaganda.

When i am against homosexual mirraiages and gay adoption- I am called a fascist
When i am against abortion and euthaniasia- I am called a fascist.
When i say that Europe is based on christian roots - I am called a fascist.
When i want an invocation to God in european constitution - i am called a fascist.

This is how it works dear Muezzin.

I tend to find the right wing to be more intolerant and racist than the left. The left at least promotes human rights, diversity and multiculturalism, the left also get their share of insults from the right. I am neither right or left wing.

 

[Goku]

I heard Sarkozy brought 3 French Muslim groups together to form one of the biggest French Muslim organisations in France, but he was responsible for the indiscriminate sacking of some Muslims from airports though, hopefully things will work out for all the different cultural and religious groups in France. Though i do think Segolene Royal was more tolerant than Sarkozy.

 

[August]

Sarkozy will be fantastic for the immigrant and non-French minorities. Why? He will change the economic policies that make those people very hard to employ. By increasing economic opportunity and cutting down on the crippling regulations on business, they will provide many new jobs. I believe that many of the poor immigrant communities have unemployment rates near 40%. Of interest to this board should be his proposal for the government to help build new mosques, so that Muslims can be more fully integrated into French life. Sarkozy is hardly a right-winger, in the U.S. he would be considered very centrist. France needs a change, Sarko is it.

 

[Amadeus85]

This is the end of France relations with the muslim nations. This man would not be friendly to muslim nations. His another Bush in europe, and does not want diversity in France.

At last France would stop being so pro-arabic, and so hostile to Israel.

And who said that multiculturalism is good? :?

What good multiculturalism brought to Europe? :?

I think that multiculturalism died in Europe when Theo van Gogh , dutch director, was killed by algerian fanatic. And after that in Holland there was almost a civil war between muslims immigrants and natives. Mosques and churches were burned by both sides.

After immigrant riots in France, and suicide attacks in Madrit and London, european politics( at least some, but still too few) finally understood that multiculturalism promoted by Leftist organizations and parties was a big failure.

Multiculturalism brought only tensions in Europe.

 

[Amadeus85]

I tend to find the right wing to be more intolerant and racist than the left. The left at least promotes human rights, diversity and multiculturalism, the left also get their share of insults from the right. I am neither right or left wing.

You maybe don't notice that Left's attitudes are completely against islamic teachings-

Left promotes:
- homosexual marriages and adoption "laws" for gays and lesbians
-radical feminism
-euthanasia
-abortion
-radical separation of state and religion
-secularism and atheism.

I sometimes really wonder why most muslims In Europe vote for Left :?

 

[Chuck]

You maybe don't notice that Left's attitudes are completely against islamic teachings-

Left promotes:
- homosexual marriages and adoption "laws" for gays and lesbians
-radical feminism
-euthanasia
-abortion
-radical separation of state and religion
-secularism and atheism.[emphasis mine]

I sometimes really wonder why most muslims In Europe vote for Left :?

I wonder why secular people vote for the right.

 

[vpb]

I personally think that Sarkozy is the correct man in the correct place.
He is better in every aspect than Segolene Royal.
He will improve french economy,
decrease the social expensive,
improve french position in world politics,
improve relationship with USA,
solve the immigration problem (by decreasing the amount of immigrating people)
stop further projects and plans with european constitution.

lolllllll...i bet you have traveled to the future? recently watched Back To the Future?

 

[north_malaysian]

I've heard that Sarkozy is a pro-religious man, perhaps he'll give a little chance for Muslims to wear hijabs, Jews to wear kippahs and Sikhs to wear turbans at school.

 

[Muezzin]

Rather than listening to rumors and speculation, I actually did the remarkable chore of doing a search, finding the particulars on Sarkozy and coming to my own conclusion.

I don't appreciate sarcasm, dude.

 

[Amadeus85]

I've heard that Sarkozy is a pro-religious man, perhaps he'll give a little chance for Muslims to wear hijabs, Jews to wear kippahs and Sikhs to wear turbans at school.

Who knows , maybe you are right. I know that Sarkozy wants to fund building new mosques in France from state money.

 

[Lina]

I’ll leave it to you to make excuses for the lawlessness that afflicts these gangs. Let’s be honest though, there was a certain politico-religious attribute that was attributed to a majority of the rioters. Please discuss for us the numbers of Christian/Jewish/Buddhist rioters. Unless you’re going to continue to play the victim card and offer apologetics for rioting, you really do need to understand the resentment felt by people who have to work for a living and won’t offer excuses for those who explicitly reject any contact with their host country and seek to exploit the advantages of Western nations while displaying utter contempt for it.

Insurance will cover? Perhaps. But understand that when you so flippantly disregard the rights of others because you’re not given the special, preferential treatment you think you deserve, that’s not anyone’s fault but your own.

Why is that? That when these 'rioters' are from a certain religious background, we all pinpoint it as the main ingredient for these outbreaks. Religion had nothing to do with this. In fact The union of Islamic organisations in France issued a fatwa:

"It is strictly forbidden for any Muslim... to take part in any action that strikes blindly at private or public property or that could threaten the lives of others"

They are protesting to gain their rights like any other french civilian.
I am not making excuses, i'm trying to explain that this didn't just fall out of the sky and that they aren't the problem; action calls for reaction.
They are the product of discrimination and estrangement by the government.
Advantages? really? like what? unemployment? discrimination? racism? hatred? poverty?
These banlieues look like something you would see in a third world country.
Ghettos are created by isolation from the society.

And yes, they should get a special treatment for being left aside in the first place. The government should get them of the streets by creating employment, creating housing in the main white cities etc. Intergrate them by making them a part of society.

In Holland the dutch government took immediate action and created new housing in different 'white' areas so that the immigrants will be a part of society vis à vis creating their own ghettos.
How could this have escalated so much? You tell me.
Are you really denying any part of the government in this mess?
What's a polician, now the president calling humanbeings scum? Is that the person you want representing you and your country?
Again; You tell me?

At last France would stop being so pro-arabic, and so hostile to Israel.

And who said that multiculturalism is good? :?

What good multiculturalism brought to Europe? :?

I think that multiculturalism died in Europe when Theo van Gogh , dutch director, was killed by algerian fanatic. And after that in Holland there was almost a civil war between muslims immigrants and natives. Mosques and churches were burned by both sides.

After immigrant riots in France, and suicide attacks in Madrit and London, european politics( at least some, but still too few) finally understood that multiculturalism promoted by Leftist organizations and parties was a big failure.

Multiculturalism brought only tensions in Europe.

Van Gogh was murdered by a moroccan brother.
Was there? A civil war? Nothing of that kind.
Churches haven't been burned, one Islamic school got burned by some racists.

 

[Amadeus85]

Van Gogh was murdered by a moroccan brother.
Was there? A civil war? Nothing of that kind.
Churches haven't been burned, one Islamic school got burned by some racists.

Yes, you are right the one who killed van Gogh was Moroccan.

 

[Hashim_507]

At last France would stop being so pro-arabic, and so hostile to Israel.

And who said that multiculturalism is good? :?

What good multiculturalism brought to Europe? :?

I think that multiculturalism died in Europe when Theo van Gogh , dutch director, was killed by algerian fanatic. And after that in Holland there was almost a civil war between muslims immigrants and natives. Mosques and churches were burned by both sides.

After immigrant riots in France, and suicide attacks in Madrit and London, european politics( at least some, but still too few) finally understood that multiculturalism promoted by Leftist organizations and parties was a big failure.

Multiculturalism brought only tensions in Europe.

Your not very open minded person, do have fear for diverse world?
Dont take my words as a insult.

 

[August]

Your not very open minded person, do have fear for diverse world?
Dont take my words as a insult.

I can't speak for him, but here is how I view multiculturalism. Diversity is a good thing, I'm not arguing against that. However, we run into huge problems when a large part of the country's population does not view themselves as belonging in society. When people move to a new country, such as France, they can keep many of their native customs and their religious beliefs. But they do have a responsibility to accept and adopt the core principles of their new nation. To use my country as an example, I don't care who you are or where you come from, there is a place for you in the USA as long as you respect the Constitution and our democratic traditions.