Planned to take out 7 countries!!

[Islamicboy]

Saddam had to be taken out because of him being taken out now we might see shariah inshallah. 911 conspiracy are all lies Al qaeda has taken responsibility in many of their videos.
Osama Bin Laden was never helped by the CIA the pakistani intelligence helped him who CIA trained.

As far as Somalia goes its a crusade agiasn't the country. Today i heard women were forced to take off veils and burn them. May allahs curse be upon the enemies of Islam.

Afganistan shouldnt have been invaded for one man they should have probably looked for other ways. Taliban was attacked because they followed Islam not because they helped terrorist as they said.

Iraq as soon as they took Saddam out thats it America should have left. if they really went to take saddam out.

 

[August]

You shouldn’t be surprised when Muslims say enough is enough and get up one day to kill every firkin terrorists in the Middle East from Zionist scum to western kuffar and kick them all out of that land.

Does this include killing all the Muslims who have blown up Israeli civilians too? What about all the Israeli children who have been killed by Islamic suicide bombers? You need to face facts, Israel exists now and you are not going to be able to get rid of it. Everyone in the middle east is going to have to learn to live together, the US is never going to permit Israel to be destroyed. I'm sorry for the Palestinians, I really am, but why haven't neighboring Arab nations granted the Palestinians some land in their countries? That seems like the best solution to me.

 

[Ruggedtouch]

Originally Posted by islamirama

You shouldn’t be surprised when Muslims say enough is enough and get up one day to kill every firkin terrorists in the Middle East from Zionist scum to western kuffar and kick them all out of that land.

Moslems tried that once, (imperialist conquest to claim lands that they ravaged by conquest). It didn’t work out real for Moslems then, it would be worse if tried again.

The result was the Crusades which reclaimed Christian lands and drove Moslems out of Europe and elsewhere.

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

The zionists, satanists and secret societists plans/theories have backfired bigtime. Zionist media such as FOX is trying its best to spread this false propaganda, but the internet has provided and alternative view.
I hate FOX/zionist news propaganda, they always have some smug looking fool talking crap.

 

[islamirama]

Originally Posted by islamirama

Moslems tried that once, (imperialist conquest to claim lands that they ravaged by conquest). It didn’t work out real for Moslems then, it would be worse if tried again.

The result was the Crusades which reclaimed Christian lands and drove Moslems out of Europe and elsewhere.

You got it wrong there buddy. Muslim have been victorious most of the time. They fell weak whenever they stopped practicing Islam, like today. Here's a quick 90 sec history for you.

90 second history lesson - http://www.mapsofwar.com/images/EMPIRE17.swf

Does this include killing all the Muslims who have blown up Israeli civilians too? What about all the Israeli children who have been killed by Islamic suicide bombers? You need to face facts, Israel exists now and you are not going to be able to get rid of it. Everyone in the middle east is going to have to learn to live together, the US is never going to permit Israel to be destroyed. I'm sorry for the Palestinians, I really am, but why haven't neighboring Arab nations granted the Palestinians some land in their countries? That seems like the best solution to me.

You need to face facts, Israel is illegally occupying that land. And even if it were to exist, it still has broken every UN resoultion set forth since it's birth. Take all the check points out and the walls down and give back all the land they took thru their terrorism and take only the land they were originally given, and MAYBE then they would have a chance of co-existing....until their due time comes.

And that is very ignorant statment of yours. It is you kicked the jews out of your lands, why don't you take them back instead. Give them TX or alaska, no one goes up there, give them part of europe just for them. Why punish the palestinians when you kicked massacred the jews and kicked them out of your lands.

 

[Islamicboy]

Ruggedtouch if you are an Atheist why do you care so much about christians and jewish religions? Don't you hate religion?

 

[Philosopher]

Originally Posted by islamirama

Moslems tried that once, (imperialist conquest to claim lands that they ravaged by conquest). It didn’t work out real for Moslems then, it would be worse if tried again.

The result was the Crusades which reclaimed Christian lands and drove Moslems out of Europe and elsewhere.

Umm....go study history. It was the Muslims who won the Crusades.

 

[August]

And that is very ignorant statment of yours. It is you kicked the jews out of your lands, why don't you take them back instead. Give them TX or alaska, no one goes up there, give them part of europe just for them. Why punish the palestinians when you kicked massacred the jews and kicked them out of your lands.

No one kicked them out. They decided, with quite obvious good reason, that it wasn't safe for them to be a minority everywhere, so they started moving to Israel and formed the country we know today. Remember, there was no Palestinian state before Israel was formed, Palestine was a possesion of the British Empire. The creation of Israel was initially peacefull, it was Arab nations that started all of the wars.

 

[Philosopher]

Does this include killing all the Muslims who have blown up Israeli civilians too? What about all the Israeli children who have been killed by Islamic suicide bombers? You need to face facts, Israel exists now and you are not going to be able to get rid of it. Everyone in the middle east is going to have to learn to live together, the US is never going to permit Israel to be destroyed. I'm sorry for the Palestinians, I really am, but why haven't neighboring Arab nations granted the Palestinians some land in their countries? That seems like the best solution to me.

Do you care for the Palestinians who get killed by the Israelis?? Also, who do you label them as Muslims, instead of “Palestinians?” Your fanciful distortion of reality is quite saddening. Unlike you, I’ll back my claims with statistics:

http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistics/Casualties.asp

Note: The figure for Palestinian deaths is extremely conservative, since it is difficult for B'Tselem to report on deaths in the Palestinian territories. The Palestine Red Crescent Society, internationally respected for its statistical rigor, reports significantly higher numbers of Palestinian deaths. We do not doubt the reliability of their data, and only use B'Tselem's more conservative numbers because they collect data on both populations.

• Israelis killed more children than Palestinians by eight times.
• Israelis killed more civilians by Palestinians by three to four times
• Israelis killed more people who were object to targeted killing than Palestinians by 210 times

Palestinians who died following an infringement of the right to medical treatment:
http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistics/Casualties_Data.asp?Category=21

These concrete statistics unveil Israel systematic killing of its neighbor. (Actually Palestinians are not neighbor of Israel since Israel stole Palestine). I urge you not to post intellectually unethical and deceptive diatribe here. God is all-knowing and your lies about Israeli innocence amount to waffles. I never support racism or Nazism. It is the zionists, who support racism by bringing settlers from allover the world (Poland, Ukraine, Russia,etc..) to replace natives who have been living there. It is they who have created 800,000 refugees 60 years ago, like the Nazis have created refugees. The Palestinians didn't go to attack Jews at Poland, Ukraine, Prussia, but it is the Zionist Jews who have traveled from there to attack their land and massacre them.

 

[Philosopher]

That would explain the collapse of the islamic empire.

LMAO! Do you think the Islamic empire fell because of the Crusades?? Wow, I sense strong stupidity here

Do you not know there was something called the "Ottoman Empire" a century after the Crusade that lasted 600-700 years??? There was also called the "Mughal Empire" and the "Safavid Empire??"

I urge you to leave this forum to avoid further humiliation. Your ignorance is glaring when it comes to history.

 

[Goku]

That would explain the collapse of the islamic empire.

The Islamic Empire didnt collapse until 1923, after world war I, that is counting the Ottoman Empire as the last Islamic Empire. Then the terrible events of partition happened, divide and control, the West colonised Muslim lands until the mid to late 20th Century.

However the good news is that Muslim countries have started to come together in the form of the Organisation of Islamic Conference and the Islamic Development Bank. Its a start that will lead to the restoration of the Islamic Calpih as predicted in Islamic scriptures. Insha'Allah it wil be in our lifetime, I hope.

As for the crusades, they massacred Jews and Muslims and anyone they felt like. Among the last of the crusades was the battle of Acre, in which the final crusader occupied state fell. The Muslims defeated the crusades, that is how they were able to retain control of Istanbul (Constantinople) and Al Quds (Jerusalem.)

 

[Goku]

Within your hysterical tirade, you somehow the fact that the islamic empire collapsed from within following the Crusades.

Reality may cause you to recoil in anger but the truth will be good for you.

No it didnt. The crusaders were sheer evil who massacred innocents and oppressed people under tyranny. The Muslims did the world a huge favour by defeating the crusaders.

 

[Goku]

1923 was a mere formality. The Ottoman Empire had effectively dissolved long before then.

It still existed and was at its height of power in the 16-17th century, spanning over 3 continents.

 

[Kashnowe]

Why is America obsessed with spreading their ideology violently?? I though you were peace love people

philosopher it says you live in orlando florida. for crying out loud thats where disney world is.....

you must know from living in america that we are generally peace loving people. in fact no matter where you go in the world people are generally peaceful and good. unfortunately our government is not a clear voice of the people. unfortunately not enough americans vote and the govt has run amuck.

 

[Philosopher]

No one kicked them out. They decided, with quite obvious good reason, that it wasn't safe for them to be a minority everywhere, so they started moving to Israel and formed the country we know today. Remember, there was no Palestinian state before Israel was formed, Palestine was a possesion of the British Empire. The creation of Israel was initially peacefull, it was Arab nations that started all of the wars.

It is apparent that you have no expertise when it comes to the history of Israel. Instead of listing all your logical fallacies, I will attempt to correct your factual inaccuracies.

1.) During 1915-16, as World War I was underway, the British High Commissioner in Egypt, Sir Henry McMahon, secretly corresponded with Husayn ibn `Ali, the patriarch of the Hashemite family and Ottoman governor of Mecca and Medina. McMahon convinced Husayn to lead an Arab revolt against the Ottoman Empire, which was aligned with Germany against Britain and France in the war. McMahon promised that if the Arabs supported Britain in the war, the British government would support the establishment of an independent Arab state under Hashemite rule in the Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire, including Palestine. The Arab revolt, led by T. E. Lawrence ("Lawrence of Arabia") and Husayn's son Faysal, was successful in defeating the Ottomans, and Britain took control over much of this area during World War I.

2.) You also claim that Israeli was initially acquired peacefully. I invite you to return to reality. The war began because Israel made a PRE-EMPTIVE attack on Egypt.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/5/newsid_2654000/2654251.stm

It is interestesting to note that Israel broke her promise by this pre-emtive attack. Prime Minister Golda Meir promised Kenneth Keating that Israel wanted to "avoid" bloodshed.

The state of Israel was built on lies, and as Christopher Hitches said, is a epitome of modern imperialism. What followed the were decades of Zionist terrorism, expulsion of Palestinians Arabs from their homeland, massacres, erasing of Arab towns and villages, desecration of Muslim and Christian holy places, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and formation of over 4 million refugees.

 

[Goku]

Would that favor include the untold numbers of victims of islamic imperialist conquest that lead to the Crusades?

History is riddled with conquests, however unlike the crusaders, the Muslims brought great economic and technological advantages and enlightenment.

For a sample, watch this British documentary by Channel 4:

When the Muslims ruled Europe:

http://nomi.ibnmasud.com/blog/when-the-moors-ruled-europe/

One Magnificent structure built by Muslims in Spain in the 13th century is the AlHumbra, a wonder even today:

http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200604/alhambra/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhambra

 

[Philosopher]

Within your hysterical tirade, you somehow the fact that the islamic empire collapsed from within following the Crusades.

Reality may cause you to recoil in anger but the truth will be good for you.

No refutation, as expected. Go read up on history books. Ad-hominem does not benefit your cause

And it was all downhill from there.

In the meantime, after throwing off the shackles of islamic imperialism, the West has broken new ground in every scientific, medical, technology and social discipline.

We appreciate you stepping aside.

I invite you to come back to reality. While the Ottoman Empire was weakening, the West was busy with their World Wars and genocide of 11 million people.

 

[Goku]

And it was all downhill from there.

In the meantime, after throwing off the shackles of islamic imperialism, the West has broken new ground in every scientific, medical, technology and social discipline.

We appreciate you stepping aside.

Well now that the Muslims have thrown off the "shackles of Western imperialism" (Well, except in Iraq, Afghan and Palestine) hopefully they can now develop their lands even further for the benefit of their people.

 

[Keltoi]

I'm not sure any of this relates to the topic....

 

[Goku]

And it was all downhill from there.

In the meantime, after throwing off the shackles of islamic imperialism, the West has broken new ground in every scientific, medical, technology and social discipline.

We appreciate you stepping aside.

As a side note the West started making those breakthroughs after overthrowing strict Christian rule after the dark ages and eventually secularising their countries.