Is islam the fastest rowing religion? if in converts?

[borboski]

Maybe things are clearer now?.. if it weren't for puppet govt. of the middle east these so-called under educated wrapped women would have had better opportunities. the same afforded all women in Islam.

Do you know that as a proportion of GDP - the US actually gives more to Palestine, than it does to Israel? E.g. not of US GDP, or Israel and Palestine. Until recently, it did anyway, don't know if it still stands. Yawn... always with the "Israel this... Israel that...".

if you want to associate poverty of Muslim women ergo corrupt govt. instilled and maintained by tyrants I have no problem with that... There are no Islamic state any where in the world to blame current climate on!

and nothing in Islam, that says... women go be uneducated objects.... in other words poverty befalls all middle eastern women just the same whether Muslims or christian for the same virtues-- and Islam has nothing to do with it! Except of course I see more Christian immigrants here from the middle east than I do Muslim ones, as they are simply granted refugee over their Muslim counterparts!

I'm very pleased that you don't think there's anything in Islam which keeps women repressed. Excellent. But lots of other people do, and if you asked them they would say - just as strongly as you - that Islam has everything to do with it. People who blow up schools in Afghanistan, for example.

But I'm sorry, I didn't enter this thread for an argument, I just offered one reason why the birth rate amongst poor Muslim communities might be high.

if you have something of substance to impart, please do, otherwise keep worthless opinions to yourself, or share it with like minds. They'll just be mocked here.

That's not very mature, is it?

 

[vpb]

I think this thread needs to be closed, bc don't think there is much else to talk about the topic else we will continue discuss something else

 

[Encolpius]

Adam qualifies more than jesus to be god since he was born without a mother or father, came directly from heaven, is the father of all humanity

oh wait a minute, now its starting to sound like pagan roman believes of zeus and herculius and all that mumbo jumbo.

well that's paul's religion for you!

You more and more confirm me that you completely dont understand Jesus' Christ life and message. But it's ok, there is hope also for people like you islamirama. For now, lets just stick with our own theories and rather get back to the topic.

His cognizance of pre-Christian faiths is also a bit wonky as well.

 

[جوري]

Borborygmi:

Do you know that as a proportion of GDP - the US actually gives more to Palestine, than it does to Israel? E.g. not of US GDP, or Israel and Palestine. Until recently, it did anyway, don't know if it still stands. Yawn... always with the "Israel this... Israel that...".

I believe it was you who brought up the shinning star of the Mediterranean up not my person? Go ahead scroll and read your cute quote ... I am not sure why you stuck it in there, if you didn't wish to discuss it? if Israel can afford to steal, it can afford to advertise, I figured that was the purpose of your quote on how well Israel is doing compared to the rest of the middle east? And no, I didn't see 90 billion plus in aid to palestine... if the Palestinians were in such good shape they wouldn't be living in refugee camps, or mass murdered in Sabra and chatila.. and else where to worry about excelling in the arts and crafts --so indeed Yawn if not first a good hearty chuckle...

I'm very pleased that you don't think there's anything in Islam which keeps women repressed. Excellent. But lots of other people do, and if you asked them they would say - just as strongly as you - that Islam has everything to do with it. People who blow up schools in Afghanistan, for example.

who are the "lot of people "?. I am a Muslim woman I can speak for myself as well as other Muslim women and I happen to travel quite extensively between U.S, europe and middle east..... we didn't appoint you and yours to speak on our behalf... we are quite capable of expressing ourselves -- whatever is happening in Afghanistan you can thank your president for--
Afghanistan isn't running by Islamic law. Until you muster that subject with some dexterity I'd refrain from hurling out the first thing that comes to mind especially in the den of Muslims.. there are various blogs that not only foster your ideologies but encourage them... The rest of us know better!

But I'm sorry, I didn't enter this thread for an argument, I just offered one reason why the birth rate amongst poor Muslim communities might be high.

Your opinion isn't a scientific data, or bares any hint of truth. I have already included actual articles about Muslim earnings from U.S govt project MAPS. You don't live in the middle east, to have any sort of remote understanding of socioeconomic, or geopolitical events happening to write with the slightest bit of authority on such subjects!

That's not very mature, is it?

that is an excellent question to pose to your person-- and you are right.. I really don't wish to engage this subject beyond this...

peace

 

[islamirama]

Do you know that as a proportion of GDP - the US actually gives more to Palestine, than it does to Israel? E.g. not of US GDP, or Israel and Palestine. Until recently, it did anyway, don't know if it still stands. Yawn... always with the "Israel this... Israel that...".

Financial Aid

The Israeli government is the largest recipient of US financial aid in the world, receiving over one-third of total US aid to foreign countries4, even though Israel’s population comprises just .001% of the world’s population and has one the world’s higher per capita incomes.

• Since 1949 the US has given Israel a total of $84,854,827,200. The interest costs born by US taxpayers on behalf of Israel are $49,937,000,000 – making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $134,791,507,200 (more than $134 billion).5
• The total cost of this financial aid to US tax payers per Israeli is $23,240.
• Since 1992, the US has offered Israel an additional $2 billion in loan guarantees every year.6
• Nearly all past loans to Israel have been forgiven – leading Israel to claim that they have never defaulted on repayment of a US loan – with most loans made on the understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them.
• In 1997 alone, the total of US grants and loan guarantees to Israel was $5.5 billion, i.e., $15,068,493 per day.

Military Aid

The United States provides direct and indirect military aid to Israel – totalling more than it gives to all the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America, and the Caribbean put together, whose combined total population is 1,054,000,000.


Furthermore:

• 18 of the 92 pending arms sales transfers in the year 2000 were to Israel;
• Israel has the world’s largest fleet of F-16s outside the US, currently possessing 200 jets -- with a further 102 on order with American manufacturer Lockheed Martin;
• In June 2001 Israel again requested $800 million in supplementary US aid. This was originally pledged to cover the cost of the Israeli withdrawal from south Lebanon – in other words, Israel was being paid for complying with international law. As Israel re-requests this package, administration officials have considered linking it to the implementation of the Mitchell Report, again effectively paying Israel to comply with international standards;9

Charitable Aid

Private donations to American charities initially constituted one quarter of Israel’s budget. Today, it is estimated that these tax-deductible donations exceed $1.5 billion per year. The ability of Americans to make what amounts to tax deductible contributions to a foreign government does not exist for any other country.

US aid to Israel: A violation of US law

US law prohibits the President from providing military aid to any country that “engages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognised human rights”.10

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The estimate of daily U.S. aid to Israel is based on the minimal total aid to Israel during 2006 reported the Washington Report article “A Conservative Estimate of Total Direct U.S. Aid to Israel: $108 Billion,” by Shirl McArthur.

“[T]he indirect or consequential costs to the American taxpayer as a result of Washington’s blind support for Israel exceed by many times the amount of direct U.S. aid to Israel. Some of these ‘indirect or consequential’ costs would include the costs to U.S. manufacturers of the Arab boycott, the costs to U.S. companies and consumers of the Arab oil embargo and consequent soaring oil prices as a result of U.S. support for Israel in the 1973 war, and the costs of U.S. unilateral economic sanctions on Iran, Iraq, Libya and Syria. (For a discussion of these larger costs, see ‘The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion,’ by the late Thomas R. Stauffer, June 2003 Washington Report, p. 20.)”​

The United States does not provide any aid to the Palestinian government. Also, following the democratic election of a Hamas government, the United States has cut off all humanitarian aid as well.

According to USAID, “[O]n July 16, 2003, the United States, by invoking special Presidential waiver authority, for the first time ever and in recognition of important progress in the reform of Palestinian institutions, signed an agreement with the Palestinian Authority authorizing a $20 million cash transfer for the purpose of maintaining municipal water, sewage and electrical services and providing for PA directed municipal infrastructure development. In December 2004, the United States provided the PA with the second cash transfer of $20 million, which was used entirely to pay off debts to Israeli utility companies. The final $50 million cash transfer to the Palestinians was provided in August 2005 and was intended for small scale infrastructure projects in Gaza. However, as a result of the Hamas election victory in January 2006, this sum was requested back by the United States Government. All other assistance to the PA takes the form of in-kind assistance (training, technical assistance, equipment, etc.) rather than cash.”​

 

[islamirama]

I think this thread needs to be closed, bc don't think there is much else to talk about the topic else we will continue discuss something else

I 2nd that!