Jizya in Islam

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I found this hadith! it's well nice alhamdulillah :D


Mu'ad Ibn Jabal narrated; The Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) sent me to Yemen and he commanded me to take the Jizyah from everyone who has reached the age of puberty - one Dhinar - or its equivalent in Ma'afiri (garments of Yemeni origin.)

Related by the three Imams. Ibn Hibban and Al-Hakin graded it Sahih (Authentic.)​



Whereas Muslims have to pay 2.5% of all their wealth right? Plus compare it to their contemporaries and that is nothing subhaan Allaah. And Allaah knows best. :)

Nice hadith. This is indeed the well established oppinion on the amount of jizyah payable. How small is this compare to zakat 2.5% of your savings.

subhanallah we must have been thinking the same.
 
Qur'an 9:29:

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden that which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

If a non-muslim paid jizya for several years and then willfully refused to pay it, would that automatically open them to legally taking it?

Muhammad sent a letter to the Christians and Jews of Elath :
I have no intention of fighting you before writing to you. Thou hast to accept Islam, or pay the tax, and obey God and his Messenger and the messengers of his Messenger, and do them honour and dress them in fine clothing, not in the raiment of raiders; therefore clothe Zayd in fine robes, for if you satisfy my envoys, you will satisfy me. Surely the tax is known to you. Therefore if you wish to be secure on land and on sea, obey God and his Messenger and you will be free of all payments that you owed the Arab [tribes] or non-Arabs, apart from the payment to God [which is] the payment of his Messenger. But be careful lest thou do not satisfy them, for then I shall not accept anything from you, but I shall fight you and take the young as captives and slay the elderly. . . . Come then, before a calamity befalls you...
 
There goes that different but equal. :? Back in the 60's it was called "Separate but Equal". :raging: Same concept.

Does IRS care about your faight, heritage, background, or anthing? you live here, you work,so you pay tax. Islamic system is better. Muslims pay zakat and non-Muslims pay jizya, both are paying. Only difference is non-Muslims are exempt from joining the army or other obligations Muslims have to do and yet still enjoy protection and rights equal to if not better than any non-muslim country.
 
Does IRS care about your faight, heritage, background, or anthing? you live here, you work,so you pay tax. Islamic system is better. Muslims pay zakat and non-Muslims pay jizya, both are paying. Only difference is non-Muslims are exempt from joining the army or other obligations Muslims have to do and yet still enjoy protection and rights equal to if not better than any non-muslim country.
The Islamic system is only better if you are a Muslim. That gives you your legal superiority status. I know of no non-Muslim that thanks any theocracy is better. No one wants to accept the inferior status that would be given us. I, as not being a “person of the book”, don’t even have the right to my life.
You can dream all your life, but no non-Muslim wants your bigoted system and no non-Muslim thinks your system has anything to do with god.
 
The Islamic system is only better if you are a Muslim. That gives you your legal superiority status. I know of no non-Muslim that thanks any theocracy is better. No one wants to accept the inferior status that would be given us. I, as not being a “person of the book”, don’t even have the right to my life.
You can dream all your life, but no non-Muslim wants your bigoted system and no non-Muslim thinks your system has anything to do with god.

Read the history, many non-Muslims prefered to live as Dhimis under Muslim rule than be ruled by their tryant and oppressive rulers. There is no superiors status of any kind in Islam, it's a matter of legality. Like i said, i pay zakat and you pay jizya tax, we both pay but you get the benefit of not be forced to go fight or other duties the muslims will be required to do. You being not a people of the book is irrevelant because you are non-Muslim nonetheless and the same rule applies all non-muslims. Before you call this a bigoted system, i suggest you go do proper research into it and the history and statements of non-muslims historians, scholars and those who lived as dhimis before you present your bigoted and narrow minded views here.
 
Only difference is non-Muslims are exempt from joining the army or other obligations Muslims have to do and yet still enjoy protection and rights equal to if not better than any non-muslim country.


Utterly sensible to ban kaffir from joining a Muslim countries army. made sense in Mohammeds time and still makes sense today.
In the West Muslims can and do join the military. they are people in their own right ..not their religion.

Protection: From what? From the state that levies the Jizya. :D If you dont pay the Jizya you historically were fair game.

Rights better than the wests: :enough!: :X :laugh: :enough!: :X :laugh:
 
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Utterly sensible to ban kaffir from joining a Muslim countries army. made sense in Mohammeds time and still makes sense today.
In the West Muslims can and do join the military. they are people in their own right ..not their religion.

Protection: From what? From the state that levies the Jizya. :D If you dont pay the Jizya you historically were fair game.

Rights better than the wests: :enough!: :X :laugh: :enough!: :X :laugh:

Muslims don't want to join the army in the west, the few that do are not that much upon Islam anway. We are no interested in joining your army to shower together naked and then go kill our brothers for your leader's greed.

If you don't pay jizya or zakat, you face what you would face when you have to deal with IRS for not paying taxes.

Besides, you livein the west and not under islamic rule much less a Muslim land. Why are you so concerned about it?
 
Read the history, many non-Muslims prefered to live as Dhimis under Muslim rule than be ruled by their tryant and oppressive rulers. There is no superiors status of any kind in Islam, it's a matter of legality. Like i said, i pay zakat and you pay jizya tax, we both pay but you get the benefit of not be forced to go fight or other duties the muslims will be required to do. You being not a people of the book is irrevelant because you are non-Muslim nonetheless and the same rule applies all non-muslims. Before you call this a bigoted system, i suggest you go do proper research into it and the history and statements of non-muslims historians, scholars and those who lived as dhimis before you present your bigoted and narrow minded views here.
I just hate it when people don't read prior posts. :raging: Go back and read what I have posted especially #25 and #32. It is a bigoted system. Not as bad as many but no less bigoted. :?
The fact that I would prefer to be lynched instead of being boiled in oil does not mean I approve of lynching.
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1 Muslims don't want to join the army in the west, the few that do are not that much upon Islam anway.

2 We are no interested in joining your army to shower together naked and then go kill our brothers for your leader's greed.

3 If you don't pay jizya or zakat, you face what you would face when you have to deal with IRS for not paying taxes.

4 Besides, you livein the west and not under islamic rule much less a Muslim land. Why are you so concerned about it?

1: Done some research on that have we? Interveiwed them about their faith?
I served with muslim soldiers.

2: Where did the showering together naked come from! LOL! Western armies provide everything from Halal rations to seperate religious services.

3: The Inland revenue came round to my house last week and beheaded me because my council tax was late, so i'd agree with you.

4: Because Jizya is a concept that i find racist, intolerant and indicative of what Islamic rule is like. Why are you concerned about my concern.

And lets get back onto topic....My inbox is getting full of "post deleted" messages.
 
Muslims don't want to join the army in the west
For someone that lives in the West, you sure don't know much about the West. :skeleton:
There are so many Muslims in the armed services that they are currently requiting Islamic "chaplains".
You see not all Muslims think OBL is one of the “Good Guys”. :?
 
For someone that lives in the West, you sure don't know much about the West. :skeleton:
There are so many Muslims in the armed services that they are currently requiting Islamic "chaplains".
You see not all Muslims think OBL is one of the “Good Guys”. :?

Most Muslims you find the army like in the Prisons are converts, americans. The patriotic amerians who become Muslims serve the in army, wave US flags and still enjoy american culture. The muslims of prison who had been given ghetoo life by your system take islam to heart, abandon their evil ways imposed upon them by the society of the white men, and now the knowing true face of the system, despise the system and adhere to islam only.

Not all Muslims "think" OBL is good guy according to your opinons, 25 countries majority voiced their opinion in the polls for OBL and against your regime.


I just hate it when people don't read prior posts. :raging: Go back and read what I have posted especially #25 and #32. It is a bigoted system. Not as bad as many but no less bigoted. :?
The fact that I would prefer to be lynched instead of being boiled in oil does not mean I approve of lynching.
:X
I don't need to read prior posts to know what you think about Islamic law and rules and jizya. Every country has their ways, and we have ours. If you don't like it then you need to worry about it cuz you're not living under one. And you definitly need to go do some research rather then bore us with your dull minded bigoted attacks on the topic without any proper knowledge. See the reply, maybe it'll help....


The Inland revenue came round to my house last week and beheaded me because my council tax was late, so i'd agree with you.

Because Jizya is a concept that i find racist, intolerant and indicative of what Islamic rule is like. Why are you concerned about my concern.

And lets get back onto topic....My inbox is getting full of "post deleted" messages.

Either you are very ignorant or naive to think no country will come after you if you don't pay taxes. Your suggestion of beheading for not paying taxes only shows your ignorance on the topic and unfounded opinions tainted by personal hatred and prejudice. I'm concerned cuz i hate to see an ignorant person attacking a subject without any knowledge as if he was an expert.

Is the Jizya Tax Oppressive?

Christians have been constantly criticizing Islam's stance regarding Jizya. They say that it is meant to oppress them. Besides the fact that this concept is also found in their Bible
http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttals/Jizya I will show that Jizya is not meant to oppress the Christians or Jews.


For those who don't know, the Jizya is a tax imposed on the Christians and Jews living under the protection of the Islamic state. However, it is not imposed on all Christians and Jews. It is only imposed on the men who have attained puberty. So therefore it is not imposed on the women and children. The tax is also imposed fairly and is not meant to be overburdening.


The Jizya tax guarantees the Christians and Jews complete protection under the Islamic state. If an enemy country attacks the Islamic country, the Islamic country has a duty to defend the Christians and Jews and the Christians and Jews are not even obliged to fight!

Muslims also have to pay a yearly tax called Zakat. Zakat is even binding on property, and jewellery. Zakat should also be paid in the form of food as well. The Jizya is not binding on the property of the Christians and Jews.


Christians might use Surah 9:29 to show that Muslims must fight them until they pay the Jizya, so this shows discrimination. However, this also applies to the Muslims who do not pay their Zakat! Abu Bakr fought against the Muslims who didn't pay Zakat. So how does this discriminate against the Christians and Jews?

This is completely justified. If they go against the Islamic rule and government they deserve to be punished. What else was Abu Bakr supposed to do? In America if someone does not pay their taxes they can go to jail. Does that make America unjust? In China they kill tax evaders (A New York Times article describes the context and details of one businessman who was executed in China for tax evasion (11 Mar. 2001). at http://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/research/ndp/ref/?action=view&doc=chn41156e). You have to understand that these are God's laws. It is probably difficult for a non-Muslim to understand this but from the Muslim perspective it is completely justifiable. For God sake people get executed or punished for crimes against man made laws, what do you expect to happen to people that break God's laws?


Zakah is one of the 5 pillars of Islam and it is compulsory on everyone. It is compulsory even on the non-Muslim, this is called Jizya. Jizya does not degrade the non-Muslim people, it actually brings equality. Since the Muslims are obliged to pay Zakah, then why cant non-Muslims pay Jizya? That brings equality between the two.

The Jizya is a tax levied on non-Muslims in lieu of military service which is compulsory for Muslims but not for non-Muslims. The amount of Jizya is much less than the Zakat, which is levied on Muslims only. The non-Muslims paying Jizya were exempt from compulsory military service in a Muslim State but were entitled to full protection. (http://www.netmuslims.com/info/economic.html)



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Most Muslims you find the army like in the Prisons are converts
And you know this how? There are no stats. So you just write what you thank and present them as facts. :?
The muslims of prison who had been given ghetoo life by your system take islam to heart
I understand that the main reason that Islam is the fastest growing religion is because of prison conversions. I wonder why there is such a recidivism rate?
evil ways imposed upon them by the society of the white men
Oh now men are evil based on the color of there skin? Interesting. Do you get your racism from your religion?
Not all Muslims "think" OBL is good guy
That is exactly what I said. So what is your point?
Every country has their ways, and we have ours.
Where is Your Country? I thought you lived in the US. Where ever it is, you should go there. I can't, they would surly kill me.
 
An interesting Online Magazine I found.
http://www.janasangh.com/jsart.aspx?stid=207
Quranic Injunction
Fight those who believe not
In God nor the Last Day,
Nor hold that forbidden
Which hath been forbidden
By God and His Apostle,
Nor acknowledge the Religion
Of Truth, (even if they are)
Of the People of the Book,
Until they pay the Jizya
With willing submission,
And feel themselves subdued.
(The Holy Quran by A. Yusuf Ali).
As the rule of Islam spread beyond the borders of Arabias particularly over the Hindus and Buddhists, Muslim rulers found it impossible either to convert the entire population or to exterminate the whole. The solution was found by admitting the Hindus and Buddhists (Pagans) to the status of Zimmis. Zimmis are those non-Muslims whose life is held under a contract. Jizya (a capitation tax) is a punishment for their unbelief and in order to humiliate them. According to Hanafi School of Islamic law, Jizya is paid as a compensation for being spared from death. Another Islamic source remarks that the infidels who live in Moslem State are subjected to the payment of Jizya for his humiliation and punishment for
Manner of collection of Jizya:
Both the Schools of Al Shafei and Malik agree that when the zimmi comes to pay he should keep standing while the collector is seated, and he must wear the distinctive dress prescribed for the zimmis. During the process of payment the zimmi is to be seized by the collar and vigorously shaken and pulled about writes Dr. P. Saran, in his book Studies In Medieval Indian History (This book is introduced by the legendary Professor Mohammed Habib).
Jizya Imposition on Parsis of Iran
One of the severest hardships under which these people suffered, until quite recently, was the levy of the poll tax called, Jizya. The Moslem population alone was exempt from this tax, all unbelievers residing in the kingdom while the Armenians, Jews and Parsis were compelled to pay it.
The straits to which these races were driven in order to meet this tax were often deplorable. The annual tax leviable on the Parsis, according to the imperial order, was six hundred and sixty seven tomans. As is the case, however, in all Oriental kingdoms, the governors or collectors and magistrates enhanced the amount by their own commissions, and consequently the sum required to be paid by these poor people often amounted to as much as two thousand tomans (equivalent to Pound 1000 of our money). It appears that about a thousand grown up Parsis were required to pay tax. Of these, two hundred were able to bear the burden without difficulty, four hundred paid it with great inconvenience, while the rest were unable to do so at all, even at the point of sword.
Upon the annual collection of the tax the scenes presented at the homes of those who were unable to pay it were most terrible to witness. Unheard of cruelties were practiced in the vain attempt to extort money from those who had none for even their own wants. Some, to save themselves from torture, and as the last resort, gave up their religion and embraced the faith of Mohommed, when they were relieved from the payment of the tax. Others, who would not violate their conscience, abandoned individuals, even when they escaped had always to leave their wives and children behind them (History of the Parsis by Dosabhai Framji Karaka, published by Cosmo Publication, Div. of Genesis Publishing Pvt. Ltd., New Delhi).
Imposition of Jizya in India:
Arabs Muslims were the first to invade India. Imad-ud-din Muhammad bin Kasim conquered Sind in 711 AD. The law of Islam on how to deal with the inhabitants of an infidel country was quite clear: (1) those who were sharers in Revelation like the Hebrews and Christians could be allowed to live and practice their religion provided they paid Jizya, and (2) those who were intolerable infidels and idolators like the Hindus and Budhist were either to convert to Islam or face death. According to Ferishta, the chronicler, those Hindus who refused to embrace Islam and were seventeen years of age and above were put to death and the rest were enslaved. The women were appropriated. As per Islamic tradition, a fifth of the plunder both human beings and treasure was sent to the Caliph and the remainder distributed among the soldiers of Islam. This is the face of Islam that Hindus saw and experienced at the hands of first Muslim conqueror of India. Later on, however, Kasim agreed to the status of zimmi being extended to Hindus and Muslims like it had been given earlier to Zorastrians and Magi in Iran.
The Sultanate in India was based on the distinction between its Hindu and Muslim subjects. The Muslims formed the ruling class and the position of Hindus was no different than that of slaves. The foremost distinction was the payment of Jizya which had always to be paid personally by the Hindus When the Jizya was first levied by the Prophet in 9 A H it included a land tax as well and probably represented the entire financial burden borne by the non-Muslims under his protection. Under the earlier Caliphs, the terms Jizya and Kharaj (land tax) seem to be interchangeable. The differentiation implied in the two forms of taxation, Jizya and Kharaj was not made until the time of the late Ummayyad. When it was introduced in India, it had become an additional capitation tax (Page 7, The Religious Policy of the Mughal Emperors by Sri Ram Sharma, Lahore/Delhi, 1940). Besides Jizya, Muslim ruler also collected a pilgrim tax from Hindus at places of religious fairs. This was done despite the fact that the Islamic State strictly prohibits public celebration of non-Islamic practices in an Islamic State. This was, strictly speaking, an unholy source of profit to a Muslim polity. Under the rule of Ala-ud-din, a scheme of confiscatory taxation was put into operation so that the Hindus were left with only their daily needs. While expounding the Law, for the information of Sultan Ala-ud-din, Qazi Mughisuddin of Bayana stated that the Hindu Khirajguzar or payer of Jizya is, he who, should the collector choose to spit into his mouth, he should open the same without hesitation so that the official may spit into it. Sir Jadunath Sarkar in his book A Short History Aurangzeb also quotes the learned Mughisuddin : By these acts of degradation are shown the extreme obedience of the zimmi, the glorification of the true faith of Islam, and the abasement of false faith. The Prophet has commanded us to slay them, plunder them, and make them captive .. No other religious authority except the great Imam {Hanifa} whose faith we follow, has sanctioned the imposition of the jizya on Hindus. According to all other theologians, the rule for Hindus is Either Islam or death.
In the beginning, the Brahmins had been exempt from Jizya but Firoz Shah Tughlaq, did not find any justification for this exemption. In order to make India conform to the ideal of Muslim State, the tax was also imposed on Brahamins. When Aurangzeb came on the throne, Jizya was imposed in all strictness on all Hindus.

This is the source of your great pride? This is a system that you think todays non-Muslims would long for?
 
This is the source of your great pride? This is a system that you think todays non-Muslims would long for?

Apparently you are here to cause fitnah and nothing more. Go ahead, keep going to sites that support your anti-islamic views and close mindedness. I don't think you are here to learn and you most certainly are not having any affect on us with your rhetorics of continual Islamic bash, which is a lot more freedom of speech than you will find on christain sites.

Book 17, Number 17.24.46:
Yahya related to me from Malik that he had heard that Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz wrote to his governors telling them to relieve any people who payed the jizya from paying the jizya if they became muslims.


Malik said, "The sunna is that there is no jizya due from women or children of people of the Book, and that jizya is only taken from men who have reached puberty. The people of dhimma and the magians do not have to pay any zakat on their palms or their vines or their crops or their livestock. This is because zakat is imposed on the muslims to purify them and to be given back to their poor, whereas jizya is imposed on the people of the Book to humble them.



As long as they are in the country they have agreed to live in, they do not have to pay anything on their property except the jizya. If, however, they trade in muslim countries, coming and going in them, a tenth is taken from what they invest in such trade. This is because jizya is only imposed on them on conditions, which they have agreed on, namely that they will remain in their own countries, and that war will be waged for them on any enemy of theirs, and that if they then leave that land to go anywhere else to do business they will haveto pay a tenth. Whoever among them does business with the people of Egypt, and then goes to Syria, and then does business with the people of Syria and then goes to Iraq and does business with them and then goes on to Madina, or Yemen, or other similar places, has to pay a tenth.


People of the Book and magians do not have to pay any zakat on any of their property, livestock, produce or crops. The sunna still continues like that. They remain in the deen they were in, and they continue to do what they used to do.



If in any one year they frequently come and go in muslim countries then they have to pay a tenth every time they do so, since that is outside what they have agreed upon, and not one of the conditions stipulated for them. This is what I have seen the people of knowledge of our city doing."
Compared to the oppressive rulers of kuffar lands who heavely taxed the poor, the dhimmis had it much better here. No tax till you hit puberty, no tax on women, on property, livestcok, produce or crops. And war waged on their behalf to fight their enemies and protect them. Go educate yourself before you make a biffer fool out of yourself.

Dhimmi is one who is living under Islamic rule in a Muslim land. Like you would call immigrants, "immigrant" and yet i see you wit the name "defiant dhimmi" under your SN as if you live in a muslim land. You don't even know what a dhimmi is, calling yourself dhimmi while you don't even live in Muslim land, much less Shari'ah based one.
 
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So the Tax is fair because only Adults are levied with it.

The beheading reference is because non-payment of jizya results according to several muslim scholors, in the "protection", being removed.With fatal consequences. Thats happening right now in Iraq and the Sudan.
The Mafia runs "protection" rackets as well. if I dont pay my taxes...I'll go to jail. I wont die for it. Your above apologist says that Muslims fought and killed muslim-non-payers too. Paying a fine or dying for your religion is wrong wrong wrong by any sense of non-medeivel standards. Sure it was a decree from pre-medeivel times, and we used to hang non-payers of tax in those days too.

Y'Know what? We Moved ON!
 
telling them to relieve any people who payed the jizya from paying the jizya if they became muslims.
Well there is no compulsion to religion, but it is cheaper if you do.
Dhimmi is one who is living under Islamic rule in a Muslim land.
Dhimmi, is Islamic for the "N" word. The purpose is the same. Insure you Convey an attitude of inferiority. But then you have already stated what you think of us whites.
Like you would call immigrants,
Immigrants are not a Conquered people. That is kind of the standard I see here all the time. Call things what there are not to distort there meaning to justify what you want.

You have also proven you don't know much about me or what I know.

PS I don't care what Christian sights do.
 
Muhammad sent a letter to the Christians and Jews of Elath :
I have no intention of fighting you before writing to you. Thou hast to accept Islam, or pay the tax, and obey God and his Messenger and the messengers of his Messenger, and do them honour and dress them in fine clothing, not in the raiment of raiders; therefore clothe Zayd in fine robes, for if you satisfy my envoys, you will satisfy me. Surely the tax is known to you. Therefore if you wish to be secure on land and on sea, obey God and his Messenger and you will be free of all payments that you owed the Arab [tribes] or non-Arabs, apart from the payment to God [which is] the payment of his Messenger. But be careful lest thou do not satisfy them, for then I shall not accept anything from you, but I shall fight you and take the young as captives and slay the elderly. . . . Come then, before a calamity befalls you...

Hi,

Please provide a reference for this. I can't help but be suspicious of this since it seems to have a few comments that are against the character of the Prophet pbuh and Islamic law(specifically the part about slaying the elderly).

If you can't reference it, I would recommend you delete it since the authenticity can not be verified.
 
Utterly sensible to ban kaffir from joining a Muslim countries army. made sense in Mohammeds time and still makes sense today.
In the West Muslims can and do join the military. they are people in their own right ..not their religion.

Protection: From what? From the state that levies the Jizya. :D If you dont pay the Jizya you historically were fair game.

Rights better than the wests: :enough!: :X :laugh: :enough!: :X :laugh:

We have seen indeed how well the west treats those muslims who join their armies. Yep this is the western value where the muslims are people in their own rights. Lol what a load of nonsense. Read the western papers and see for yourself.
 
1: Done some research on that have we? Interveiwed them about their faith?
I served with muslim soldiers.

2: Where did the showering together naked come from! LOL! Western armies provide everything from Halal rations to seperate religious services.

3: The Inland revenue came round to my house last week and beheaded me because my council tax was late, so i'd agree with you.

4: Because Jizya is a concept that i find racist, intolerant and indicative of what Islamic rule is like. Why are you concerned about my concern.

And lets get back onto topic....My inbox is getting full of "post deleted" messages.

Just remember how the west still treats their black soldiers. How many muslims do you have in the western armies given any positions? Heavy weapons-don't be silly. Ah and being humane to prisoners? Ask the iraqis and by the way Guantanamo is still there. Western values. Indeed.
 

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