Jizya in Islam

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vpb said:
I see where you're going with this :):)

Subhanallah.
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He is only practising what he preaches as he says: "I put more credit on non-self serving sources".

I wander where he takes his proofs for agnosticism.
 
I think there also needs to be an understanding that what the Qu'ran says and what is actually being done or has been done in physical reality are two different things.
 
Keltoi said:
I think there also needs to be an understanding that what the Qu'ran says and what is actually being done or has been done in physical reality are two different things.
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What the Qur'an and Sunnah says has been established in reality, :) try looking at the Golden Era of Islaam.

During the times of the famous Caliphs, Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, Umar ibn Abdul Aziz etc. I think you'll realise how much justice there was - the Kings of other nations [i.e. Ceasar, Chosroes etc were in Palaces, yet these Muslim rulers lived in mud houses], yet they ruled over a third upto half of the world with total justice according to the laws of Qur'an and Sunnah.



Regards.
 
I looked at the "Golden Era of Islaam". It truly was a Golden Era for Islaam. It was truly better to be a Christian under Islam than be a Muslim under Christianity. If fact, for many, it was better to be a Christian under Muslims than be a Christian under Christians.
But that by no means it was GOOD to be under Muslims. At least by todays standards.
 
wilberhum said:
I looked at the "Golden Era of Islaam". It truly was a Golden Era for Islaam. It was truly better to be a Christian under Islam than be a Muslim under Christianity. If fact, for many, it was better to be a Christian under Muslims than be a Christian under Christians.
But that by no means it was GOOD to be under Muslims. At least by todays standards.
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Even by todays standards it is good to be under Islamic Shari'a, since Allaah has sent the guidance to His final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) which is suitable and flawless until the Day of Ressurection. :)



Regards.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Even by todays standards it is good to be under Islamic Shari'a, since Allaah has sent the guidance to His final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) which is suitable and flawless until the Day of Ressurection. :)
Regards.
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For you there is belief. Me, I prefer facts.
I guess that is why you are a confirmed theist and I’m a confirmed agnostic.
 
Keltoi said:
I think there also needs to be an understanding that what the Qu'ran says and what is actually being done or has been done in physical reality are two different things.
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Perhaps you think that there should be no Jizyah at all just like the ruling of Jesus was "But those who do not want that I should regn over them, bring them here and slay them in the very sight".
 
wilberhum said:
I looked at the "Golden Era of Islaam". It truly was a Golden Era for Islaam. It was truly better to be a Christian under Islam than be a Muslim under Christianity. If fact, for many, it was better to be a Christian under Muslims than be a Christian under Christians.
But that by no means it was GOOD to be under Muslims. At least by todays standards.
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If it was this bad why did the christians of Jerusalem ask the brits to give them as rights the treaty they had with Umar ibn Al-Khatab?! Read the history.
 
wilberhum said:
For you there is belief. Me, I prefer facts.
I guess that is why you are a confirmed theist and I’m a confirmed agnostic.
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It is funny that you complain about muslims that will give you the opportunity to pay Jizyah while the Jews and the Christians will not allow this commodity.
 
Sunnih said:
If it was this bad why did the christians of Jerusalem ask the brits to give them as rights the treaty they had with Umar ibn Al-Khatab?! Read the history.
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One, "Not bad dear", does not make all deals good. :skeleton:
 
wilberhum said:
One, "Not bad dear", does not make all deals good. :skeleton:
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Does that mean that the christians could not give to christians not even better than not bad? lol. Listen to you. Now you upset the christians.lol.
 
Sunnih said:
It is funny that you complain about muslims that will give you the opportunity to pay Jizyah while the Jews and the Christians will not allow this commodity.
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There are many cases where Muslims were not as bad as Christians. During that time, I would probably prefer the inferior status Islam would give me. That does not mean that I prefer an inferior status.
But I surely understand the human desire to be considered superior.
It truth there is nothing superior to equality.
 
wilberhum said:
There are many cases where Muslims were not as bad as Christians. During that time, I would probably prefer the inferior status Islam would give me. That does not mean that I prefer an inferior status.
But I surely understand the human desire to be considered superior.
It truth there is nothing superior to equality.
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This is why we encourage non-muslims to become muslims.
 
Sunnih said:
This is why we encourage non-muslims to become muslims.
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There is no equality in Islam. :skeleton:
That was one of the reasons for the tax. Ya, don't forget the tax, after all that is what this thread is about. :thumbs_up
 
wilberhum said:
There is no equality in Islam. :skeleton:
That was one of the reasons for the tax. Ya, don't forget the tax, after all that is what this thread is about. :thumbs_up
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Do not forget that the dhimis would be exempt from zakat also and yet benefit from the public funds. So there are different situations for different people. That is where the equality comes. Just like non-muslims do not pay zakat, muslims do not pay jizyah.:thumbs_up
 
Sunnih said:
Do not forget that the dhimis would be exempt from zakat also and yet benefit from the public funds. So there are different situations for different people. That is where the equality comes. Just like non-muslims do not pay zakat, muslims do not pay jizyah.:thumbs_up
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There goes that different but equal. :? Back in the 60's it was called "Separate but Equal". :raging: Same concept.
 
wilberhum said:
There goes that different but equal. :? Back in the 60's it was called "Separate but Equal". :raging: Same concept.
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Not quite the same but there it goes for the achivement of intelect and abandonment of religions then. Nothing changes.
 
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I found this hadith! it's well nice alhamdulillah :D


Mu'ad Ibn Jabal narrated; The Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) sent me to Yemen and he commanded me to take the Jizyah from everyone who has reached the age of puberty - one Dhinar - or its equivalent in Ma'afiri (garments of Yemeni origin.)

Related by the three Imams. Ibn Hibban and Al-Hakin graded it Sahih (Authentic.)​



Whereas Muslims have to pay 2.5% of all their wealth right? Plus compare it to their contemporaries and that is nothing subhaan Allaah. And Allaah knows best. :)
 

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