Our God - Ordained War Is An Act Of Love

[Cognescenti]

Zman;

Paul Harvey? Paul Harvey? Are you kidding me? The guy is from the Late Jurassic.

He is 89 or 90 years old!

A retired Marine Col who likely never served in the Middle East? :rollseyes

How about something from Millard Fillmore or Zachary Taylor for something more current?

Quit filling the heads of impressionable young Muslims with such idiocy.

Do you have any idea what percentage of Americans believe in a strict, literal understanding of the Bible?

BTW...you left out Jerry Fallwell. He was always good for some juciy quotes. Oh wait...he's dead. I guess it's down to the Junior Varsity now...eh?

 

[Zman]

Zman;

Quit filling the heads of impressionable young Muslims with such idiocy.

Filling the heads of Muslims and non-Muslims with the truth is now considered idocy, eh?

Tsk, Tsk. The truth hurts. That's why the only thing you can counter with is sarcasm and insults.

BTW...you left out Jerry Fallwell. He was always good for some juciy quotes. Oh wait...he's dead. I guess it's down to the Junior Varsity now...eh?

I would have posted an avalanche of his Juicy quotes, but the previous thread on him was closed by the mods...

 

[Zman]

It's amazing the links some Muslims use to attempt at proving a point.

Yes, a desperate attack on the links when you can't refute the validity of the information...

 

[barney]

Articles such as this show that a certain level of fanatacism is present everywhere and is not limited to the 'comfort zone' of the Middle East.

So how would you compare the respective level to which Religion is driving the Jihadists and the US Army?

As Specalist Colby Buzzel in his reports from Iraq said. "As they fired they shouted "allah ackbar!" We shouted "Get Some!"

You might have a few religious nuts in the Army who think they are acting as "Gods Sword" to punsih the heathen, but I would suspect that the Mhaddists and Al Quada have a few more.

 

[Cognescenti]

Filling the heads of Muslims and non-Muslims with the truth is now considered idocy, eh?

Tsk, Tsk. The truth hurts. That's why the only thing you can counter with is sarcasm and insults.

Your preposterous claim that Paul Harvey, at 90 years of age, is somehow reperesentative of current, mainstream, American thought is infantile. You convince no one other than those who know little about the US and who see the world as a conflict between Islam and the infidels. It is like the home crowd cheering when the home team makes an unopposed lay-up. If you are pleased with yourself, more power to you. Go ahead, preach hate. See if I care, Islamobot.

I would have posted an avalanche of his Juicy quotes, but the previous thread on him was closed by the mods...

And why do you imagine they closed the thread? Do you think it was because too much love and understanding was being preached?

 

[Muezzin]

So how would you compare the respective level to which Religion is driving the Jihadists and the US Army?

Why do you ask questions to which you already know the answer?

I also find it quite wonderful how you manage to twist my words. If you'd bother to read the preceding paragraph you'd see my stance on this issue:

Yep. Usually when people use any religion to justify violence, it tends to tick me off because not only is it stupid, it also fuels the fire of 'ban religion because it causes violence!'

Maybe taking things in context is too polite, I dunno. Anyway, that's enough about my words, onto your words:

As Specalist Colby Buzzel in his reports from Iraq said. "As they fired they shouted "allah ackbar!" We shouted "Get Some!"

You might have a few religious nuts in the Army who think they are acting as "Gods Sword" to punsih the heathen, but I would suspect that the Mhaddists and Al Quada have a few more.

And I condemn those who pervert Islam to excuse their violence. I don't go around mudslinging by saying 'hey, at least we're not as bad as those guys', which is what you appear to be doing. All I'm saying is everyone has crazy fanatics, but it doesn't make anyone better than anyone else.


Also, general notice, unless everyone behaves themselves on this thread I'm locking it.

 

[Cognescenti]

Muezzin;

How are you this fine Sunday morning (where I am)?

I don't think you are being fair to Barney in accusing him of "mudslinging" when the entire thesis of the thread seems to be that mind-numbed Biblical literalists are hiding behing every American rock, driving American policy, and need only have their perfidy discovered by an outsider with access to Google and anti-American websites.

 

[Muezzin]

Muezzin;

How are you this fine Sunday morning (where I am)?

I'm very well, thank you. Yourself?

I don't think you are being fair to Barney in accusing him of "mudslinging" when the entire thesis of the thread seems to be that mind-numbed Biblical literalists are hiding behing every American rock, driving American policy, and need only have their perfidy discovered by an outsider with access to Google and anti-American websites.

I honestly did not interpret the first post that way, since that notion is absurd as you point out. I interpreted it more as fanatacism being present everywhere. That doesn't make fanatacism acceptable obviously.

 

[Cognescenti]

I honestly did not interpret the first post that way, since that notion is absurd as you point out. I interpreted it more as fanatacism being present everywhere. That doesn't make fanatacism acceptable obviously.

It seems clear to me his intent was not simply to show that religious fanataicism exists in the West. He was making the argument that it is pervasive and is driving the war. Was it an accident he cited two former military offciers when the military makes up less than 1 % of the US population and the number of mid-grade and general officers is certainly less than 1/1000 of the military.

So the odds of him randomly picking two individuals with those characteristics is about (.01*.001)**2...which is 10 E-10 or about 10 billion to 1

 

[MTAFFI]

So i guess if I start posting quotes from the muslim fanatics on this post and everywhere else as ZMan is, they wont be considered spam or off topic right?

 

[Dawud_uk]

/Peace To All

Retired Marine Preaches, Says Killing Terrorists Is An ‘Act Of Love For Our Nation’

By Laura Followell
The Tribune-Star
Pubished On: May 06, 2007 11:50 PM
TribStar.

TERRE HAUTE — According to retired U.S. Marine Col. J. Tyler Ryberg, the Bible contains messages about war and capital punishment. God is a powerful soldier.

Ryberg, who served in the Marines for more than 27 years, gave a sermon Sunday morning at Good Shepherd Baptist Church’s Armed Forces Day, where some of the 150 people in attendance often erupted with an “Amen!”

The colonel asked churchgoers if the global war on terrorism was a “just war” and a “God-ordained war,” which he later affirmed.

“We’re killing Islamic jihadists, bloodthirsty killers,” he said. “Peace is not an option. You don’t negotiate with bloodthirsty, jihadist killers.”

While he was in the Marines, Ryberg said, he was often asked, “If you’re a Christian, why do you want to go to war to kill people?”

Ryberg said he wants Americans to understand that it’s an act of love to kill evil people who seek to kill Americans.

“If we do take their life, they will kill no more. It’s an act of love for our nation,” Ryberg said.

He explained the importance of government and said that without government, chaos would ensue.

“We are all sinful creatures with a sin nature,” he proclaimed. “Sinful mankind left unrestrained will cause chaos.”

Ryberg justified capital punishment and said it’s in the Bible. God ordains the principle of taking life as an instrument of his justice, he added.

“God gaveth long before our nation was born. It’s always been on the books. And [the Bible] is the highest law of the land,” Ryberg said.

“And I want to let you know our Supreme Court, they’re not supreme, only God is. And [the Bible] is the supreme law of the land, and the buck stops here.”

The sound of shuffling Bible pages reverberated across the pews as Ryberg asked worshippers to note specific passages. Ryberg often referenced passages that he interpreted as relating to war and its justification.

He said that only God gives life and only God takes life, but said God gave Noah the right to take the life of an evil man who sheds innocent blood.

Ryberg said that Abraham fought the first biblical war in the word of God.

He said God told Abraham to go to war with his “well-trained” servants, his army. Ryberg said God won that war by coming down and killing his enemies.

“There’s none other; there’s none higher; there’s none greater than our God,” Ryberg said.

“The only day we will have perfect peace is the day Jesus Christ comes back. … Our Lord’s coming back, folks,” he said.

Jerry Gibbons, who served in the Army for eight years, wanted to hear the colonel speak.

“I’m very impressed to see someone who has served that long on active duty and still have that much faith in God, our country and government,” Gibbons said.

Marcella Weaver said the sermon seemed to the point. To her, it justified war.

“God says that we are to help those being attacked by the bloodthirsty,” she said, “and it’s an act of love.”

Laura Followell can be reached at (812) 231-4253 or

[email protected] .

Source:
http://www.tribstar.com/local/local_story_126235058.html

lol,

if i had said any of that stuff about the western terrorist i would be locked up for instigating terrorism!

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Muezzin]

It seems clear to me his intent was not simply to show that religious fanataicism exists in the West. He was making the argument that it is pervasive and is driving the war. Was it an accident he cited two former military offciers when the military makes up less than 1 % of the US population and the number of mid-grade and general officers is certainly less than 1/1000 of the military.

So the odds of him randomly picking two individuals with those characteristics is about (.01*.001)**2...which is 10 E-10 or about 10 billion to 1

That's all well and good. That's what he may have been saying. I was not saying that, which is why I was puzzled Barney was acting as if I was saying that.

Nutters of all faiths tarnish religion's reptuation.

 

[barney]

That's all well and good. That's what he may have been saying. I was not saying that, which is why I was puzzled Barney was acting as if I was saying that.

Nutters of all faiths tarnish religion's reptuation.

Oh i agree without doubt. But as pointed out above, the general trend on this thread (and others) is that Western policy is driven by Christian fanatics. it's just not. For those unfamiliar with the west, that may be hard to understand.

The west is secular..getting more and more so as the years pass by, hooray!
The average Tommy and GI worships Manchester United and the Red Sox and thats whats driving their lives, not Christianity. When they fight, they are doing their job and for a few "doing something for their country".

The religious services in my time in the army were VERY popular. We got to sit down for half a hour and doze off. Fantastic skive. Picking out some Yank officer who makes Jack Chick look moderate and using that as a "Battle of religions" supporting arguement is farcical.

 

[Dawud_uk]

Oh i agree without doubt. But as pointed out above, the general trend on this thread (and others) is that Western policy is driven by Christian fanatics. it's just not. For those unfamiliar with the west, that may be hard to understand.

The west is secular..getting more and more so as the years pass by, hooray!
The average Tommy and GI worships Manchester United and the Red Sox and thats whats driving their lives, not Christianity. When they fight, they are doing their job and for a few "doing something for their country".

The religious services in my time in the army were VERY popular. We got to sit down for half a hour and doze off. Fantastic skive. Picking out some Yank officer who makes Jack Chick look moderate and using that as a "Battle of religions" supporting arguement is farcical.

whether the war is primarily Western christianity - v - Islam or Western Secularism - v - Islam is pretty academic anyway, the muslims still only have one real solution to the problem which is to fight back and drive the kuffar from our lands and lives.

Abu Abdullah

 

[MTAFFI]

whether the war is primarily Western christianity - v - Islam or Western Secularism - v - Islam is pretty academic anyway, the muslims still only have one real solution to the problem which is to fight back and drive the kuffar from our lands and lives.

Abu Abdullah

so the kuffar have to be driven from your lands, why cant the Muslims be driven from our lands. I tell you what, when you round up all of the muslims scattered around the globe in other countries and bring them back to "your land", I guarantee you that you wont have to be bothered with anymore.

 

[Cognescenti]

whether the war is primarily Western christianity - v - Islam or Western Secularism - v - Islam is pretty academic anyway, the muslims still only have one real solution to the problem which is to fight back and drive the kuffar from our lands and lives.

Abu Abdullah

Like the UK, you mean? Was the Isle of Wight part of the old Caliphate or something?

The war isn't Islam vs. Anything save perhaps Islam vs Islam. In fact, in Iraq, the great bulk of the violence is sectarian.

 

[Zman]

why cant the Muslims be driven from our lands.

Because, no Muslim nation is occupying any Western state.

No Muslim nation has institued or is instituting genocidal sanctions against an entire Western state.

No Muslim nation is propping up an unelected Western government against it's people.

No Muslim nation has militarily invaded a Western state.

No Muslim nation is attempting to exploit Western natural resources.

No Muslim nation has instituted nor supported any coups against a Western state.

No Muslim nation has military bases in the Western hemisphere.

No Muslim nation has sent armies to "liberate" citizens in the Western hemisphere.

And on, and on...

 

[Cognescenti]

Because, no Muslim nation is occupying any Western state.

Tell you what. You give us back the Byzantine Empire and Dearborn, Michigan and you guys can have Yemen and Somalia.

You might asks the Greeks about Cyprus of the Serbs about Kosovo...or for that matter, you might ask the Albanians if they are lost.

No Muslim nation has institued or is instituting genocidal sanctions against an entire Western state.

Just from a definitional standpoint, "genocide" refers to the intentional extermination of entire ethnic, racial or religious group. Words mean things. If you want to talk about genocide, you might ask your buds the Turks what they did with all those pesky Armenians.

No Muslim nation is propping up an unelected Western government against it's people.

Not sure where you are going with this...but Syria and Iran are undermining the duly elected government of Lebanon

No Muslim nation has militarily invaded a Western state.

Unless you count Israel...what are we up to now, 4 or 5 times? I lost count. In general, however, I am glad the Pacific and Atlantic oceans are where they are

No Muslim nation is attempting to exploit Western natural resources.

Where do you think all the steel for the building boom in Dubai comes from? Ever hear of OPEC? It's called the global economy, guy.

No Muslim nation has instituted nor supported any coups against a Western state.

Iran openly supported the Bosnians vs. the Serbs and the Kosovo Albanians. Somebody is funding Abu Sayaf in the the Philippines. Somebody is funging the Muslim insurgents in Thailand.

No Muslim nation has military bases in the Western hemisphere.

Thank God for the Pacific and Atlantic and the absence of an Islamic Fleet.

No Muslim nation has sent armies to "liberate" citizens in the Western hemisphere.

Cyprus...Bosnia....kosovo...Spain ....they just aren't very good at it.

 

[Muezzin]

We're straying from the subject, guys.