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In response to: http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/41670-ezekiels-failed-prophecy-against-egypt-3.html
Shalom (Peace),
The major prophecies of Yeshezkel specifically are not supposed to come true until the days of Moshiach. So writes the Abarbanel, the Malbim and the Tosfos Yom Tov.
You really need to see the basic meforshim on the pesukim. Like the Rashi, Radak and Malbim. It’s not agreed upon that this pharaoh said he made the Nile - there are other interpretations; it’s also not positive when this nevuah happened, or is supposed to happen. The simplest explanation is that it is referring to the destruction of Egypt that happened after tzur (tyre), but interpretations vary all the way to allusions to techiyas hameisim. PLEASE get an english Navi with some meforshim and read it. I wish you understood Hebrew as it would be thousands of times easier to clarify the poetic, figurative and allegorical nature of the verses we are discussing. The cultural differences are so enormous, that to make claims based on the English “translation” will not lead to accuracy. The best example I have seen which I will relate to you is that in the English language a saying goes “it is raining cats and dogs”. This motto speaks about how it is raining very heavily. However, translated into Hebrew, any Hebrew speaker who did not understand English, and the motto, would literally translate such a saying to mean that cats and dogs were literally falling upon the earth. They would laugh at anyone who tried to explain this in a metaphor. The case we have right now, is very similar in many aspects. Thanks.
I know that you will most likely bring up that different attributes of the names mentioned are in the passage which should be proof that the prophecy was supposed to be fulfilled in that time epoch; nevertheless, that is not the case. The language is highly poetic, and it is not very infrequent. The Gemara, tells stories of an eagles feathers and the burning sensations on them, and they the passage is not referring to an eagle at all, but instead surrounding governments. (As an example).
It is very difficult to explain this all to someone who does not have the understanding of the Hebrew language and metaphors used within it, to be able to decipher and look beyond what the literal text tells us. The Torah was written for man, and is not in the heavens but on earth, therefore, it is written in language man can understand, and is written using examples that men can understand. It is tough for me to explain how Hebrew metaphors work, and the different mystical concepts described in the passage (I have been reading various seforim on the passage.) I must tell you though, that the prophecy is yet to come.
Shalom (Peace),
The major prophecies of Yeshezkel specifically are not supposed to come true until the days of Moshiach. So writes the Abarbanel, the Malbim and the Tosfos Yom Tov.
You really need to see the basic meforshim on the pesukim. Like the Rashi, Radak and Malbim. It’s not agreed upon that this pharaoh said he made the Nile - there are other interpretations; it’s also not positive when this nevuah happened, or is supposed to happen. The simplest explanation is that it is referring to the destruction of Egypt that happened after tzur (tyre), but interpretations vary all the way to allusions to techiyas hameisim. PLEASE get an english Navi with some meforshim and read it. I wish you understood Hebrew as it would be thousands of times easier to clarify the poetic, figurative and allegorical nature of the verses we are discussing. The cultural differences are so enormous, that to make claims based on the English “translation” will not lead to accuracy. The best example I have seen which I will relate to you is that in the English language a saying goes “it is raining cats and dogs”. This motto speaks about how it is raining very heavily. However, translated into Hebrew, any Hebrew speaker who did not understand English, and the motto, would literally translate such a saying to mean that cats and dogs were literally falling upon the earth. They would laugh at anyone who tried to explain this in a metaphor. The case we have right now, is very similar in many aspects. Thanks.
I know that you will most likely bring up that different attributes of the names mentioned are in the passage which should be proof that the prophecy was supposed to be fulfilled in that time epoch; nevertheless, that is not the case. The language is highly poetic, and it is not very infrequent. The Gemara, tells stories of an eagles feathers and the burning sensations on them, and they the passage is not referring to an eagle at all, but instead surrounding governments. (As an example).
It is very difficult to explain this all to someone who does not have the understanding of the Hebrew language and metaphors used within it, to be able to decipher and look beyond what the literal text tells us. The Torah was written for man, and is not in the heavens but on earth, therefore, it is written in language man can understand, and is written using examples that men can understand. It is tough for me to explain how Hebrew metaphors work, and the different mystical concepts described in the passage (I have been reading various seforim on the passage.) I must tell you though, that the prophecy is yet to come.