Are we gods?

[Redeemed]

Areyou saying that we dont eat pigs like you do because we are "listening to lying spirits"? What about the real written Torah was that not here before paulism?when are the admins going to see your true self and get rid of you? its gone far behond comparative to preaching to promotion!

I had no such thing in mind about eating pigs. I was just quoting Scripture. I am aware that it is against the Old Testament laws, but I also believe it is God who makes something clean or unclean - not man. I don't know what you eat, and you don't know my diet either. I would never presume to say you eat pigs, what gives you the right to judge me especially when you don't know? Are you prejudice? You are disobeying the Qur'an by disrespecting me. God help you!:enough!:

 

[Redeemed]

It is even more important in a Non-Muslim State, if we can not live within the laws of our "Host" community we are to move from it. So, it comes down to being either show proper respect or leave.

Yes, I agree with that, but I don't think you understand my question: Muslims must respect non-Muslims in a Muslim state, but does that same rule apply if the un-Muslims is not in a Muslim state?:?

 

[Woodrow]

Yes, I agree with that, but I don't think you understand my question: Muslims must respect non-Muslims in a Muslim state, but does that same rule apply if the un-Muslims is not in a Muslim state?:?

I would say so. As I attempted to state in my round about way. It is essential that we respect the people in the nation we live in. respect is needed in order to obey laws. Also it would be simply foolish to choose to live in a place where you do not respect your neighbors.


However, keep in mind respect is in two directions. Plus, to be respected a person must act in a respectable manner. Adolph Hitler was a Non-Muslim living in a non-Muslim country. I do not feel any command to respect him.

 

[Balthasar21]

Are you suggesting that no Muslim would convert? Well, I'm sure in your view that is correct. To a Christian, no true Christian would convert to Islam. Sort of goes back to my original point.

This is what I'm SUGGESTING no more no less ..
I Doubt That Happen sound to me they were playing the game my God better then your God , I saw same thing on one of those christian show , It's called recruiting the non - believer . What a better way to recruit people . Then saying how a muslim was convert to christianity .

 

[Keltoi]

This is what I'm SUGGESTING no more no less ..
I Doubt That Happen sound to me they were playing the game my God better then your God , I saw same thing on one of those christian show , It's called recruiting the non - believer . What a better way to recruit people . Then saying how a muslim was convert to christianity .

I don't know if I would characterize it as a game. Some people don't share your faith or belief system and find inner peace elsewhere. You might not like it, but it happens. The same way some Christians convert to Islam...I don't like it and don't understand it, but it happens.

 

[Balthasar21]

I don't know if I would characterize it as a game. Some people don't share your faith or belief system and find inner peace elsewhere. You might not like it, but it happens. The same way some Christians convert to Islam...I don't like it and don't understand it, but it happens.

Everyone don't THINK / BELIEVE / SEE THINGS your way .

 

[Keltoi]

Everyone don't THINK / BELIEVE / SEE THINGS your way .

I thought I just said that.

 

[Balthasar21]

I thought I just said that.

Their you go again

 

[MustafaMc]

To a Christian, no true Christian would convert to Islam.

Define "true Christian".

 

[Keltoi]

Define "true Christian".

This was in the context of discussing the supposed Muslim convert to Christianity. It was suggested that no Muslim would convert to Christianity. I stated that I was sure that from their particular point of view that is a correct statement, as no "true" Muslim would convert. I just flipped the coin and pointed out the reverse point of view is also in effect.

 

[MustafaMc]

Are you suggesting that no Muslim would convert? Well, I'm sure in your view that is correct. To a Christian, no true Christian would convert to Islam. Sort of goes back to my original point.

No, I insist. Define "true Christian".

 

[Keltoi]

No, I insist. Define "true Christian".

The defintion of a "true" Christian wasn't even the point I was trying to make. However, if you insist upon my definition of a "true" Christian it would be those who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior, who was crucified and rose again, and who is the path to salvation. Fairly broad definition, but again, it wasn't even the point.

 

[Redeemed]

I would say so. As I attempted to state in my round about way. It is essential that we respect the people in the nation we live in. respect is needed in order to obey laws. Also it would be simply foolish to choose to live in a place where you do not respect your neighbors.


However, keep in mind respect is in two directions. Plus, to be respected a person must act in a respectable manner. Adolph Hitler was a Non-Muslim living in a non-Muslim country. I do not feel any command to respect him.

Yes, I understand that!

 

[Redeemed]

Masha Allah! God did speak to me also! But He says I should stay Islam and embrace it like I did to my mother when I was little. Also, He says Islam is the only way the world can solve problems, and at that, faithful Muslims who do good works, charity and believe in Allah, will earn His Good Graces and His Paradise!!

I know an old man who suddenly woke up and realized the truth. I pray that he remain steadfast to the peace of Islam till the very end, and that Allah grant him His Good Pleasure, and that Allah will let me die in the same manner that all good faithful people died.

We Christians do not put our faith in good works to earn our salvation. We could never do enough good works to earn anything like that. It is only by God's grace through faith in Him otherwise we can boast. God wants us to know that He is giving us something that we could never earn so that we may be humble before him. If we depend on earning our way to heaven, we insult God by saying "I don't need your gift; I can earn my way where you are!" That would be nothing more than pride, which comes before a fall. It is God who shapes us and molds us to be useful to Him in heaven. We are weak, but He is strong. He will finish what He started in us.:statisfie

 

[MustafaMc]

The defintion of a "true" Christian wasn't even the point I was trying to make. However, if you insist upon my definition of a "true" Christian it would be those who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior, who was crucified and rose again, and who is the path to salvation. Fairly broad definition, but again, it wasn't even the point.

Sounds fair enough to me. Alapiana do want to take a stab at this one?

 

[ummzayd]

We Christians do not put our faith in good works to earn our salvation. We could never do enough good works to earn anything like that. It is only by God's grace through faith in Him otherwise we can boast. God wants us to know that He is giving us something that we could never earn so that we may be humble before him. If we depend on earning our way to heaven, we insult God by saying "I don't need your gift; I can earn my way where you are!" That would be nothing more than pride, which comes before a fall. It is God who shapes us and molds us to be useful to Him in heaven. We are weak, but He is strong. He will finish what He started in us.:statisfie

It's quite a struggle to understand your point of view, believe me. You think you can never 'earn your salvation'? but what do you need to be saved FROM? & who is setting the price anyway? if God is demanding a price for 'salvation' then HE can set it as low as he likes! can you understand that?

so, we Muslims believe that God requires us to testify to His Oneness and that Muhammad (pbuh) is His final messenger, and keep turning to Him (God) in repentence no matter how many times we sin - and by His Mercy He will grant us eternal life in Paradise, insha'Allah. each person is responsible for their own sins, & no-one will bear the burden of another's sin. Is that an insult to God?

whereas, Christians seem to believe that original sin committed by Adam is a stain on all humanity that can somehow be 'washed away' by the bloodshed of an innocent (who is somehow, actually, God, so the blood of God washes away our sins against God.....). so it is God who is demanding the 'ransom' or 'sacrifice', & also God who is the One sacrificed....? confused......you will be.


furthermore..........
James 2:14 Of what benefit is it, my brothers, if a certain one says he has faith but he does not have works? that faith cannot save him, can it?

peace

 

[poga]

We Christians do not put our faith in good works to earn our salvation. We could never do enough good works to earn anything like that. It is only by God's grace through faith in Him otherwise we can boast. God wants us to know that He is giving us something that we could never earn so that we may be humble before him. If we depend on earning our way to heaven, we insult God by saying "I don't need your gift; I can earn my way where you are!" That would be nothing more than pride, which comes before a fall. It is God who shapes us and molds us to be useful to Him in heaven. We are weak, but He is strong. He will finish what He started in us.:statisfie

yes we buy the akhira by lending ALLAH one for 700 fold profits

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace ,

OK, I can see you're trying to annoy me.

nope , nope , no way ........why i should try to annoy u ?


Human being & angels are creations of God Almighty . so , worshipping them along with our Creator means some human being are worshipping other dieties besides one God.


All major holy books including Bible warned people against it .....writing from memory....God is very jealous & will take severe revernge if anyone worships other dieties. Do u think , God is trying to annoy u ? It's a warning for all believers.

 

[Balthasar21]

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Salaam/peace ,





nope , nope , no way ........why i should try to annoy u ?


Human being & angels are creations of God Almighty . so , worshipping them along with our Creator means some human being are worshipping other dieties besides one God.


All major holy books including Bible warned people against it .....writing from memory....God is very jealous & will take severe revernge if anyone worships other dieties. Do u think , God is trying to annoy u ? It's a warning for all believers.

Question if I may . Can you give me the overstanding of this word . Allahumma .

 

[Redeemed]

Sounds fair enough to me. Alapiana do want to take a stab at this one?

Yes sure, a true Christian to me is someone who believes that Jesus is the Son of the living God who died and rose again. Someone who recieves Him into their heart as their personal Lord and Savior of their life. Someone who turns from sin forgetting those things that are behind and pressing on to the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Someone who is obedient to God's commands, and trust Him for his or her eternal soul. Someone who lives by faith, prays without ceasing and longs for the return of Christ to set the world straight. Someone who loves even their enemies and lays down their life for a friend.