Why do muslims use the bible if they don't 'believe' in it?

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Keltoi said:
Yes, to your line of reasoning all you have stated makes the Q'uran the truth. Yet you can't "prove" it. That is my only point. Woodrow brought up the issue that we as Christians must "prove" the Bible to be corrrect. I as a Christian can ask Muslims to do the same thing. Neither of us are going to be convinced by the "proof" of the other. So in my opinion that is a failed exercise and not particularly constructive.
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I have to disagree, else there'd be no reverts or converts.
 
Al Habeshi said:
I have to disagree, else there'd be no reverts or converts.
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The fact is that a man that is convinced against is will is of the same opinion still. If one does not believe the Bible is the word of God, even if it could be proved to one who loves their religion, they will not revert or be convinced to change or repent. Reverts have nothing to do with what can be proved, because it is the condition of one's heart and whether or not God is drawing them to truth. You can't prove the Qur'an anymore than we can the Bible; so I don't understand this fetish with proving the Bible. Wicked people tried to get Jesus to prove Himself with a sign. He said they’d get a sign - the sign of Jonah (God's Judgment).:enough!:
 
Al Habeshi said:
I have to disagree, else there'd be no reverts or converts.
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Reverts and converts are one thing, but "proving" the absolute truth of the Qu'ran or the Bible is something else. I've known quite a few people who converted to Christianity, but it wasn't because someone provided "proof" for them. Using my own experience as an example, it wasn't "proof" that led me to find my faith in Christianity and reject athiesm. There is an obvious element of spirituality here that isn't easily defined in a paragraph or probably even a novel. We has human beings usually go where our hearts lead us, and mine led me to Jesus Christ. I'm sure many Muslims would say the same about Islam.
 
Keltoi said:
Reverts and converts are one thing, but "proving" the absolute truth of the Qu'ran or the Bible is something else. I've known quite a few people who converted to Christianity, but it wasn't because someone provided "proof" for them. Using my own experience as an example, it wasn't "proof" that led me to find my faith in Christianity and reject athiesm. There is an obvious element of spirituality here that isn't easily defined in a paragraph or probably even a novel. We has human beings usually go where our hearts lead us, and mine led me to Jesus Christ. I'm sure many Muslims would say the same about Islam.
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I would have to agree with you that a "change of heart" or conversion comes from within and can't be forced from without. Allah teaches in the Quran that He guides whomsover He wills to.

Quran 14:4 We have not sent any Rasool (Messenger) except that he speaks the language of his own people, so that he could explain to them clearly. Then Allah leaves in error whom He will and guides whom He pleases: He is the Mighty, the Wise.

That is why I chose the name "Mustafa" which was one of the names for Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and it means "chosen". I felt honored in a most humble way (oxymoron if I ever wrote one) that Allah chose to show me (despite my imperfections and sins) the Truth of Islam. It was a moment of inspiration that led to what I call a "paradigm shift" in my belief system regarding the Creator and my relationship to Him.
 
Muslims use bible when its convenient for them , Then again their own Quraan tell them to read the scriptures that came before the Quraan . If one would read the Quraan / Bible they would see that they're not to much diffrent .
 
First, did Moses only write Dueteronomy 18:18??
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Shalom (Peace),

A proper refutation to this allegation has already been posted numerous times on this forum.
 
Balthasar21 said:
Muslims use bible when its convenient for them , Then again their own Quraan tell them to read the scriptures that came before the Quraan . If one would read the Quraan / Bible they would see that they're not to much diffrent .
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Please, quote to me surah and ayat where Muslims are commanded to read the scriptures that came before the Quran. Else stop this lying and spreading of falsehood!:raging: :enough!:
 
MustafaMc said:
No, you made the claim now substantiate it. The monkey is on your back to prove what you said, or to retract it.
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Case in point. That is why I repeat. I won't tell you go back and locate what I said.
 
alapiana1 said:
Case in point. That is why I repeat. I won't tell you go back and locate what I said.
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Perhaps you (or anyone else) would be so kind as to point me to the post where the evidence for the claim has been presented.
 
alapiana1 said:
The claim for what?
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Oh, I thought you knew..."Case in point. That is why I repeat. I won't tell you go back and locate what I said."

The claim that the Quran teaches Muslims to study the Bible and seek guidance from it.
 
MustafaMc said:
Oh, I thought you knew..."Case in point. That is why I repeat. I won't tell you go back and locate what I said."

The claim that the Quran teaches Muslims to study the Bible and seek guidance from it.
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I am totally lost, cause I don't know what you are talking about. Did I say that the Quran teaches Muslims to seek guidance from the Bible?
 
alapiana1 said:
I am totally lost, cause I don't know what you are talking about. Did I say that the Quran teaches Muslims to seek guidance from the Bible?
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No, but that is what Balthasar21 was claiming and that is the point that I asked for evidence to which you responded on his behalf regarding repeating of your posts. By the way when you do repeat yourself, you should say something to the effect of "As I have said before...."
 
MustafaMc said:
No, but that is what Balthasar21 was claiming and that is the point that I asked for evidence to which you responded on his behalf regarding repeating of your posts. By the way when you do repeat yourself, you should say something to the effect of "As I have said before...."
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Yes, Sir!
 
For starters who ever said that muslims dont believe in the bible? We dont believe in what was added to the bible by people who opposed the message and messengers of God. Not only is it muslims, but it was a team of christian scholars who revised the bible and took out the only proof of the trinity because of it not being authentic. There are alot of things that were revised because of its falsehood by christian scholars.The firat declaration of Islam is all through bible "THE IS NO GOD BUT ONE" from begining to end. As well as ablution,Qiyam(standing before Allah),ruku(bowing before Allah),sajda(prostrating before Allah) and qunut/dua(suplicating to Allah) from begining to the end of the bible, why is it there because its authentic! The bible is a complied revelation of Allah,but do to mankinds greed of power, jealousy,disbelief and ignorance they altered it, our ancestors!
 

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