Temperature of the hellfire.

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Then I would flee to another city and try for prophethood!

If i lose, I'm a crazy fat white guy who talked rubbish and died. If I had been beleived, then I'd have come back and kicked the ones who laughed in for their heresy against meh.

Today Barneyism would have been a major religion.
 
barney said:
then Today Barneyism would have been a major religion.
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I doubt it very much! you lack that je ne sais quoi the Abrahamic messengers had-- though I can see you as a Branch Davidian type.. you know the sort that ends up making it in history under special disorders of the psych. curriculum..

peace!
 
hope it is coffee proof and hope you are more charming than koresh, so at least you'd survival the ordeal!

peace!
 
Anyway, you havnt read about Barneyism yet....It's quite misunderstood.

It's already split into 15 different sects and I'm the only follower. :)
 
barney said:
Anyway, you havnt read about Barneyism yet....It's quite misunderstood.

It's already split into 15 different sects and I'm the only follower. :)
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Not just a follower but apparently club president
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here here for barney
 
Philosopher said:
The concept of an eternal hell and a all-merciful god is illogical.
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perfectly logical... your body can be in a state of acidosis or alkalosis.. but it hopes to achieve homeostasis with all the crap you put in it!
If there is judgement there is justice... nothing goes unaccounted for!
peace!
 
So you cant have good without evil. This isnt in itself a support for a extra-planar lake of brimstone, populated by these.
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barney said:
Then I would flee to another city and try for prophethood!

If i lose, I'm a crazy fat white guy who talked rubbish and died. If I had been beleived, then I'd have come back and kicked the ones who laughed in for their heresy against meh.

Today Barneyism would have been a major religion.
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see, you can't deny the fact that it is possible for people to reject truth. If you went back to ancient egypt and told them of a thing that "will carry the written word and pictures through means not visible to the eye" ....that a man or woman "will be able to transmit messages and images almost instantaniously to another with the same tool" and most..." the words and images will appear on this tool on a plate of glass." these things are true, and yet they wouldn't believe. how could you expect them to believe you with just your word and without proof?

With the stories of Moses (pbuh), Allah (SWT) showed the egyptians and Pharoh miracles and signs of the truth, but they still rejected Moses(pbuh).

As with the descriptions of Hell in the Quran, you qwibble about a degrees and tempurature, when the verses relating to the quran should serve as a warning of an eternal depressing end for those that rejected the signs and commandments of Allah (SWT) whether that person believed in him or not.
 
The Torah contained the stories of Moses. The prophecies of the Bible and torah and Quran, I beleive are revisionist literature and open to interpretation in whatever way suits the Clergy at the time.

To put a (retroactive- revisionist)prophecy in the way i just did, is a clear arguement with not much rule for wiggle and i'm a mortal having my first crack at it with no consequences for mankind. i think a Creator could do a touch better.

Mohammed and Jesus and Elijah and Moses had to rely on peoples beleif in what they said. They had no evidence except "miracles" and history being as it is, this counts for nothing.
If the Nazi's had won WW2 then standard teaching now would be about how God sent angels to fight alongside them to overthrow the Zionist conspiracy.
Instead they lost, but theres a big proportion of muslims who take it as "gosple" that the holocaust is a fairy tale.
In 1000 years, Hitler would have been portrayed as some sort of divine being uniting mankind and ridding it of Evil with a 40 foot glowing sword. To invade England he would have parted the english channel. History is a endless game of chinese whispers.

The Quran should serve as a warning to those that sign up for it. if you dont beleive in him....its not a warning. How can it be?
 
lol wow how offl topic this thread has become. Normally when i read these threads i get mad but tonight im gratful for Allahs rahma upon me and i take note off of those who cant see hear or think correctly.

Funny how these humans were created and after some mere years of being on earth they believe they have all the answers to things which was here before them and shall surely out live them. Funny how they always claim you cant see or hear God but you cant see or hear that Philsoper you moudel your life after either. Funny how you know so much about an earth you havent even been all the way around yet. Funny how you know so much about a sun you cant even get on. So much about outterspace when you havent even gone yet. So much about the human mind body and soul when you havent made one yet.
Speaking of all the matters we cant hear nor see. But yet you cling an hold steadfest to these things and theories, but reject the Creator of it all. Brillant. I suppose since you know so much about the begining and ending of so much , lets see you stop yourself from dying when your time comes. See how your oh so 'logical' reasoning gets you out that one. Oh and while youre at it why don't you stop the earth from having hurricanes and mud slides and tornados and tsunamis. Or better yet how about we stop the earth from turning, oh my, that shouldnt be hard at all for these overknoweldge 'human gods' we have with us today. Or the likes of the ones who are so lost until they think they can outthink or overthink Allah.
*sigh* Lets keep it clean ,educated and cival, we dont want the mods to close the thread.

And MashaaAllah at purest, you rock hardcore, handling these boys all by your lonesome :D
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barney said:
The Quran should serve as a warning to those that sign up for it. if you dont beleive in him....its not a warning. How can it be?
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Same as diet and exercise proscribed by your doc ey?-- if you don't believe in them, it is not a warning-- how could it be? then you drop dead..

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l I suppose since you know so much about the begining and ending of so much , lets see you stop yourself from dying when your time comes.
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hey, i wanna see that one.... better yet, go to any grave sit and bring someone back w/your knowlege of biology....:rollseyes

whether or choose to close your eyes and not to believe it, the truth is there, whether or not you choose to believe hell fire exists it does.... your denial of it doesn't make it go away. You can laugh at us and say that we believe in fairy tales, but fact of the matter is, when the angel of death approaches you will not be able to escape the inevitable truth.

Mohammed and Jesus and Elijah and Moses had to rely on peoples beleif in what they said.
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all the prophets COUNTERED the beliefs of their time.
 
If I was taking advice from a Doc in 630AD he would tell me to trepan my head for a cold or to submerge flys in my drink as an antibiotic.

All the prophets COUNTERED the beliefs of their time. yup, theres plenty of prophets who go into the bin of history. These days instead of killing them for their heresy, we put them in mental hospitals.

I know about the earth and outerspace from Telescopes, film footage and the science of astronomy. I know about the earth from what i've seen of it and a mass of other sources.
I dont claim to be a god, I dont reject a creator. I beleive in one. i just dont think it's Yahweh, Allah , Jehova or Emperor Hirohito.
I fully expect to die, and I havnt a clue what comes after. Anyone who says they KNOW what happens, is badly misinformed unless they travel there and return.
I dont have to outthink a creator. He knows or knew more than me.
I cant see the point in him creating a hellfire, and if he actually did as some sort of punishment in his all-merciful state, then what is all this gobbledygook about 70 or 69 times the heat? It's just a number to scare the gullible into beleif.
He would have as much interest in the temperature of hell as he would have in making a Arc-of-teh-covenant out of a certain type of wood and having handles set into it in a certain way. It is just doctrinal gibberish like washing satan out of noses.

God may look down on us, he certainly isnt interacting.
 
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hey, i wanna see that one.... better yet, go to any grave sit and bring someone back w/your knowlege of biology....:rollseyes

whether or choose to close your eyes and not to believe it, the truth is there, whether or not you choose to believe hell fire exists it does.... your denial of it doesn't make it go away. You can laugh at us and say that we believe in fairy tales, but fact of the matter is, when the angel of death approaches you will not be able to escape the inevitable truth.



all the prophets COUNTERED the beliefs of their time.
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:bravo: very well done bro. Or what is better than this, all of the people who calim to know so much about Allahs universe, stop trying to DUPILCATE it. All you smart men get together and make something the world has never heard of has never seen never felt never comprehended. YES! this is what i want to see. Stop Using our Lords favors which he put on this earth for us. Build your own little world, your own bubble. Breathe your own kind of way, better yet transform everything the way you like it. Stop breathin in oxygen. Why do that? Allah put these plants here. Use your brain and think of soemthing else to do, or better yet dont use your God given brain. Find another source to think with. ORIGINATE if you are truthful in your claims. superceed OUR LORD Most High if you are able. and WALLAHI you will never be able.
 
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