How much Christians know about Bible? What about Muslims?

Sunnih said:
No one said that all the bible is wrong too you see. We too as muslims testify that bible has truth in it but also we testify that it contains falsehood as well. Take note please that we do not describe this falsehood to be comming from Jesus. Whatever Jesus said is true. However he did not say everything that you have in the bible (our position of course). That is why we say:

"O people of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not from among ourselves Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back say: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's will)."
(3:64)

This is our position on this. I hope this helps.
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We feel the same way about the Qur'an that you do about the Bible, but that goes without saying.
 
Grace Seeker said:
Really? 1X1X1=??

I don't know why you don't get that we Christians are only talking about 1 God. Just one God to the power of 3 is still one.
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You just proved that God is one using the art of science, cool!
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Sunnih said:
Yes really as you say In the name of the father and the son and the holy ghost.

and does not mean x but +.

Why I can't get that Christians believe in one god? Because this God is suposed to be the same God of the children of Israel. Ask the Jews if they recognize this one God you talk about. So both Jews and Muslims both consider the Christians as polytheists. That is why.

Just one God to the power of three? Why not 4, 5, 6, 7....etc as any other polytheists believe apart from the christians? You can claim that there is only one God but not what you take as God. What you take is three gods. No one except the christians will accept that when you say the father the son and the holy ghost this means one. Now as I have said before this is your belief and you can choose to keep it or not (this is your choice). But as for any Jew or Muslim, they will never accept that you worship only one God for as long as you stay with this belief.
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Maybe this will help clarify it. We really don't need your advice about what we Christians believe. We don't tell you what you believe. We accept what you tell us you believe. Being on this Islamic forum for us non-Muslims (Christians) is like being in a Muslim state. Are you not going against the Qur'an by dishonoring us non-Muslims? You may ask how? Polytheism is idolatry and an abomination to God and Christian alike. If we say we believe in one true God, you have no right before God, man, Bible or the Qur'an to say otherwise. It is written, Judge not lest you be judged. Allah himself will judge and be against any Muslim who disrespects a non- Muslim in a Muslim state. Qur’an, 2:256. I find it disrespectful and dishonoring to keep coming against what we say we believe about God being ONE. You can believe that the Bible teaches there are three Gods, but you can’t tell us what we believe about God without being very disrespectful and very accountable to God for your words. :enough!:
 
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Sunnih said:
Just one God to the power of three? Why not 4, 5, 6, 7....etc as any other polytheists believe apart from the christians?
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Is that what those others you call polytheists say? Or do they actually say that they do have more than one God? Maybe I haven't listened to Hindu descriptions of God well enough. I haven't heard them say that there is only one God.

Of course, I found 99 names for God in the Qur'an, maybe you aren't really a monotheist either. Who are all those other gods besides Allah?
 
Grace Seeker said:
Of course, I found 99 names for God in the Qur'an, maybe you aren't really a monotheist either. Who are all those other gods besides Allah?
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99 names of God, not gods. Those are the names by which God's creatures can know about His attributes.

Just like Grace Seeker, does this mean that there's two of you over there? Grace and Seeker? Of course not.
 
Muslim Knight said:
99 names of God, not gods. Those are the names by which God's creatures can know about His attributes.

Just like Grace Seeker, does this mean that there's two of you over there? Grace and Seeker? Of course not.
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I'm sure Grace Seeker was well aware of that. The point he was trying to make is that some people choose to believe what they want to believe. If you want Christians to be polytheists, or you get some satisfaction from saying that, you will believe it or pretend to believe it. Just as the Christians who participate in this sub-forum have explained in detail that the Trinity concept has nothing to do with three gods, but some people choose to believe what they wish to believe.
 
Muslim Knight said:
99 names of God, not gods. Those are the names by which God's creatures can know about His attributes.

Just like Grace Seeker, does this mean that there's two of you over there? Grace and Seeker? Of course not.
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Hey and when God is known as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, how many gods are we talking about? Just one. Note I said "when God is known" --- that is all in the singular. Three names, three persons even, but not three beings -- just one God. Find any place in the Bible where it says that Christians believe in 3 gods. It can't be done.
 
Grace Seeker said:
Hey and when God is known as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, how many gods are we talking about? Just one. Note I said "when God is known" --- that is all in the singular. Three names, three persons even, but not three beings -- just one God. Find any place in the Bible where it says that Christians believe in 3 gods. It can't be done.
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Pak Ali, Muthusamy Karuppiah and Ah Chong are three separate persons. However, Anwar Ibrahim is just only one person with two names.



Find any place in the Bible where it says that Christians believe in 3 gods.
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Hey you are right. The Trinity is just erudition by Paul! Let us just worship one God, then.

His Name is Allah.
 
Muslim Knight said:
Pak Ali, Muthusamy Karuppiah and Ah Chong are three separate persons. However, Anwar Ibrahim is just only one person with two names.





Hey you are right. The Trinity is just erudition by Paul! Let us just worship one God, then.

His Name is Allah.
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OK. We'll do away with the Trinity. I don't need that descriptor. But be aware that while the Bible says there is just one God, that the Bible also does call the Father God, the Bible does call the Son God, and the Bible does call the Holy Spirit God.

So, as a Muslim you can just say the Bible is wrong if you want. Fine. Go ahead. But I'm not going to change my belief that Jesus is God. It wasn't Paul who came up with that. It was the disciples who first acknowledged.

If you think that Paul invented it, I guess that just shows how little you know about the Bible. He actually says relatively little about it compared to the rest of the New Testament.
 
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Originally Posted by alapiana1


.....it doesn't contain the most important message that is in the books of the Bible. In fact, it contradicts the Bible.
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Sunnih said:
Yes. It contradicts all the forms of polytheism.
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if we want to give a serious ans , then all major holy books do give the most imp message : God is one , God does not have any equal partner god .
 
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Salaam/peace ,


Muslim Knight said:
99 names of God, not gods. ....
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The Banishment

He is Allah ( God ) the Creator, the Maker, the Fashioner; His are the most excellent names;

whatever is in the heavens and the earth declares His glory; and He is the Mighty, the Wise.

[59.24]


when i will die , u will say that Muslim Woman died ; surely nobody will say that Muslim died but Woman is alive . But when Christians say son died , then they don't mean that father also died ( at least that what i understood ) .....because at that time , son & father are differeent .....they are NOT same god at that time.

Thus , they are referring to 2 different dieties ( if not 2 gods ).



when Muslims say Allah or God or Rahmanur Rahim , it's our Creator we are talking about who NEVER dies ....always one & only.......without any parnter --- more / less/ co-equal dieties


 
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alapiana1 said:
You just proved that God is one using the art of science, cool!


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to get 1 , u have 2 choices .......simple path ....no need to multiply or add or go through art of sc ---so why choose the complicated way ????:blind:



 
Muslim Woman said:




Salaam/peace ,





to get 1 , u have 2 choices .......simple path ....no need to multiply or add or go through art of sc ---so why choose the complicated way ????:blind:





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The truth is that the math stuff is all nonsense either way. The Trinity is not expressed by any mathematical formula. It is not even a logical argument. It is merely a restatement of what is observed to be true with regard to the nature of God in scripture. When one goes beyond that it is primarily a philosophical discussion.

The only reason I presented the other mathematical sentence is that I know that 1+1+1=1 is not the idea that we are trying to communicate when we talk about the Trinity, even though some people (including some Christians) can't get beyond it.

The Trinity is really very simple:
First the Bible says that there is one and only one God.

Then the Bible calls God by the name Father.
But then, the Bible also calls Jesus God.
Lastly, the Bible also calls the Holy Spirit God.

So, if you understand all of these things to be true, then how does one reconcile that the Bible has said both that there are three persons who are God and yet that there is just one God?

Answer: We don't. We say it is a mystery, but true nonetheless. We believe it because God said it is true, but we can't really explain it, though we try all the time because we get asked about it all the time. It is still a mystery, even to the most theologically astute Christian. But our lack of understanding doesn't keep it from being true, when God himself told us that it was true. So, it is still a mystery, and the name we gave it, the label we slapped on that mystery is "Trinity = one God in three persons."
 
Greetings all

I would like to ask Muslims in this thread to please humbly acklowledge the fact that Christians believe God to be one.
You can do so, because Christians in this forum have repeatedly told you so (I know, I've been around for a year ...)
GraceSeeker, Keltoi and alapiana1 (sorry, if I forgot anybody! :-[ ) have done a wonderful job in this thread trying to explain the Christian perception of the trinity - and that it still represents one God only.

Repeatedly denying it and arguing against it will not change the truth:
Christians believe that there is only one God. It is a belief shared by all three Abrahamic faiths.

With all due respect, please do not try to tell us what we do or do not believe ...

Peace
 
glo said:
Greetings all

GraceSeeker, Keltoi and alapiana1 (sorry, if I forgot anybody! :-[ ) have done a wonderful job in this thread trying to explain the Christian perception of the trinity - and that it still represents one God only.

Repeatedly denying it and arguing against it will not change the truth:
Christians believe that there is only one God. It is a belief shared by all three Abrahamic faiths.

With all due respect, please do not try to tell us what we do or do not believe ...

Peace
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On that note, this is an interesting related article;
 
Muslim Knight said:
On that note, this is an interesting related article;
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I will continue to do my best to explain the mystery as I understand it. If you don't understand it as I do, there is no great loss in that. But to say that we worship not one God but three gods is quite simply not true. What is true is that if you still understand it that way, then you simply do not yet understand what we really mean by Trinity. Once you understood what we really meant by it, you might still disagree that such is a true description of God, but you would know with certainty that we do not believe in three gods. Such a thing is just as anathema to us as it is to you.



With regard to some of the points in the article, again I feel there are several misunderstandings as to what we are actually saying we believe, and I would be happy to address them, but let's start yet another Trinity thread if you really seek a response to them. The Trinity is not the topic of this thread, which already has more tangents than a circle.
 
Muslim Knight said:
99 names of God, not gods. Those are the names by which God's creatures can know about His attributes.

Just like Grace Seeker, does this mean that there's two of you over there? Grace and Seeker? Of course not.
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alapiana1 said:
Maybe this will help clarify it. We really don't need your advice about what we Christians believe. We don't tell you what you believe. We accept what you tell us you believe. Being on this Islamic forum for us non-Muslims (Christians) is like being in a Muslim state. Are you not going against the Qur'an by dishonoring us non-Muslims? You may ask how? Polytheism is idolatry and an abomination to God and Christian alike. If we say we believe in one true God, you have no right before God, man, Bible or the Qur'an to say otherwise. It is written, Judge not lest you be judged. Allah himself will judge and be against any Muslim who disrespects a non- Muslim in a Muslim state. Qur’an, 2:256. I find it disrespectful and dishonoring to keep coming against what we say we believe about God being ONE. You can believe that the Bible teaches there are three Gods, but you can’t tell us what we believe about God without being very disrespectful and very accountable to God for your words. :enough!:
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As for your assumtions they are wrong indeed and the verse 2:256 is not about what you claim at all.

As for being in this forum for you is like being in an islamic state, then don't you see that your posts are not censured and removed but only debated? What is the point you try to meke?!

As for: "If we say we believe in one true God, you have no right before God, man, Bible or the Qur'an to say otherwise" then I will answer you from the bible:

Mathew 7:21-25

21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

As I have said before: You should let those who are more knowlegable than you in christianity speak.
 

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