How much Christians know about Bible? What about Muslims?

MustafaMc said:
Excuse me, but it seems that you are nit picking to magnify differences between the 4 Sunni schools of thought and painting with a large brush to minimize doctrinal differences between Catholic, Protestant etc. To my knowledge no Muslim following the Hanafi shool of thought will say that one following the Shafi one is going to Hell. As in all religions there are those who are more conservative in interpreation of what is right and wrong on relatively minor issues as you say about music. Additional ones are shaking hands with opposite sex, having pictures in the home, men wearing a beard, etc. There are Muslims that take a more liberal approach, but as far as I know the conservative ones are inclined to say that they are sinning rather than being a dis-believer.
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OK. Point well taken. We need to use brushes of the same size in both cases.

And except for a very few reactionary type personalities, disputes within Christianity between Orthodox, Protestant, and Catholic are not about who is and isn't going to heaven either. We may have differences on some of what we believe, but we all accept that there is one Lord, Jesus, who is Lord of and over all of us.

I think the following would be afrirmed by all Christians regardless of denominational background: a music video "Creed (Credo)" by Rich Mullins.
 
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Grace Seeker said:
OK. Point well taken. We need to use brushes of the same size in both cases.

And except for a very few reactionary type personalities, disputes within Christianity between Orthodox, Protestant, and Catholic are not about who is and isn't going to heaven either. We may have differences on some of what we believe, but we all accept that there is one Lord, Jesus, who is Lord of and over all of us.

I think the following would be afrirmed by all Christians regardless of denominational background: a music video "Creed (Credo)" by Rich Mullins.
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It is difficult to make broad generalizations, but some Christian denominations do believe that even the other Christian denominations, much less other religions, are going to Hell. This is particularly true regarding Catholic - Protestant points of view. Likewise, some Muslims groups consider themselves to be "the saved sect" and all other Muslims will go to Hell. I think this points to human nature for each to believe he is right and he is the one on the "staight and narrow". I also think it is best for each of us to strive the best that we can in the Way of God and to leave the judging to Allah.
 
Grace Seeker said:
Really? 1X1X1=??

I don't know why you don't get that we Christians are only talking about 1 God. Just one God to the power of 3 is still one.
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Yes really as you say In the name of the father and the son and the holy ghost.

and does not mean x but +.

Why I can't get that Christians believe in one god? Because this God is suposed to be the same God of the children of Israel. Ask the Jews if they recognize this one God you talk about. So both Jews and Muslims both consider the Christians as polytheists. That is why.

Just one God to the power of three? Why not 4, 5, 6, 7....etc as any other polytheists believe apart from the christians? You can claim that there is only one God but not what you take as God. What you take is three gods. No one except the christians will accept that when you say the father the son and the holy ghost this means one. Now as I have said before this is your belief and you can choose to keep it or not (this is your choice). But as for any Jew or Muslim, they will never accept that you worship only one God for as long as you stay with this belief.
 
Sunnih said:
Yes really as you say In the name of the father and the son and the holy ghost.

and does not mean x but +.

Why I can't get that Christians believe in one god? Because this God is suposed to be the same God of the children of Israel. Ask the Jews if they recognize this one God you talk about. So both Jews and Muslims both consider the Christians as polytheists. That is why.

Just one God to the power of three? Why not 4, 5, 6, 7....etc as any other polytheists believe apart from the christians? You can claim that there is only one God but not what you take as God. What you take is three gods. No one except the christians will accept that when you say the father the son and the holy ghost this means one. Now as I have said before this is your belief and you can choose to keep it or not (this is your choice). But as for any Jew or Muslim, they will never accept that you worship only one God for as long as you stay with this belief.
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Somehow I don't think you speak for all Jews or Muslims. Christians understand very well that they worship the One God. That fact that some Jews or Muslims disagree doesn't really phase me, and shouldn't phase any believing Christian. We as Christians understand our faith, and the fact that others do not...well, that is unfortunate. However, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. The Christians on this forum have explained in great detail what the Trinity concept is about many, many times. There is only so much one can do to counter this false accusation.
 
Sunnih said:
No one except the christians will accept that when you say the father the son and the holy ghost this means one. Now as I have said before this is your belief and you can choose to keep it or not (this is your choice). But as for any Jew or Muslim, they will never accept that you worship only one God for as long as you stay with this belief.
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Then you must also think that we worship a different God than do you. And I do not just mean those you call partners (Jesus and the Holy Spirit), based on what you said, even our understanding of God the Father is different than your understanding of Allah.
 
Keltoi said:
Somehow I don't think you speak for all Jews or Muslims. Christians understand very well that they worship the One God. That fact that some Jews or Muslims disagree doesn't really phase me, and shouldn't phase any believing Christian. We as Christians understand our faith, and the fact that others do not...well, that is unfortunate. However, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. The Christians on this forum have explained in great detail what the Trinity concept is about many, many times. There is only so much one can do to counter this false accusation.
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As for the muslims I showed to you what the Qur'an says about your belief. As for the Jews, you also have here in this forum Jews who quote from their Rabis and anyone of them will confirm what I say whether or not you like it. False accusation? We will see indeed.
 
Sunnih said:
As for the muslims I showed to you what the Qur'an says about your belief. As for the Jews, you also have here in this forum Jews who quote from their Rabis and anyone of them will confirm what I say whether or not you like it. False accusation? We will see indeed.
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Yes, we will see in the end. I'm quite comfortable with that.
 
alapiana1 said:
If it contradicts polythesim, I am in agreement with that truth. There is a lot of truth in the Quran!
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No one said that all the bible is wrong too you see. We too as muslims testify that bible has truth in it but also we testify that it contains falsehood as well. Take note please that we do not describe this falsehood to be comming from Jesus. Whatever Jesus said is true. However he did not say everything that you have in the bible (our position of course). That is why we say:

"O people of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not from among ourselves Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back say: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's will)."
(3:64)

This is our position on this. I hope this helps.
 
Sunnih said:
No one said that all the bible is wrong too you see. We too as muslims testify that bible has truth in it but also we testify that it contains falsehood as well. Take note please that we do not describe this falsehood to be comming from Jesus. Whatever Jesus said is true. However he did not say everything that you have in the bible (our position of course). That is why we say:

"O people of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not from among ourselves Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back say: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's will)."
(3:64)

This is our position on this. I hope this helps.
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Part of the problem with what you have said, though not the only one, is that while you recognize that what Jesus said is truth, you do not recognize what his own disciples record and passed on to us as what he said as being what he actually said. Rather than taking the word of those who were there -- a message that can be verified against other stories -- you trust instead the story from one who tells you that God told him different. And there is no way to verify his story, for no one else heard what he heard, they can only affirm that this is what they all heard that he said God said and also contend together that he could not have made it up on his own.

A second problem is, even in agreeing that part of the Bible is true, you will only rarely, if ever, say which parts. So you (not you personally, but those in general who sometimes practice what you have described here) pick and choose what you want when it is convenient for you and reject what you want when it is convenient for you. I prefer those who simply say that even if some of it may be accurate you are sure which part would be which and so they don't trust altogether.
 

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