Translation of the Quran - important

[Grace Seeker]

i've been a little occupied having found the Sister, that Insha Allah, i'll marry VERY soon! :statisfie

wa Salaam,

Yusuf

Hey, hey!!! Congratulations!!!!

I wish you and your beloved the very best.





P.S. If you are still in a pre-Islamic mood, how about breaking out the study Bible and reading a little Song of Solomon on the night of your wedding:

Song of Solomon, chapter 1

1 Solomon's Song of Songs.


Beloved
2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth—
for your love is more delightful than wine.
3 Pleasing is the fragrance of your perfumes;
your name is like perfume poured out.
No wonder the maidens love you!

4 Take me away with you—let us hurry!
Let the king bring me into his chambers.


Friends
We rejoice and delight in you;
we will praise your love more than wine.

Beloved
How right they are to adore you!
5 Dark am I, yet lovely,
O daughters of Jerusalem,
dark like the tents of Kedar,
like the tent curtains of Solomon.

6 Do not stare at me because I am dark,
because I am darkened by the sun.
My mother's sons were angry with me
and made me take care of the vineyards;
my own vineyard I have neglected.

7 Tell me, you whom I love, where you graze your flock
and where you rest your sheep at midday.
Why should I be like a veiled woman
beside the flocks of your friends?

Friends
8 If you do not know, most beautiful of women,
follow the tracks of the sheep
and graze your young goats
by the tents of the shepherds.
Lover
9 I liken you, my darling, to a mare
harnessed to one of the chariots of Pharaoh.
10 Your cheeks are beautiful with earrings,
your neck with strings of jewels.

11 We will make you earrings of gold,
studded with silver.

Beloved
12 While the king was at his table,
my perfume spread its fragrance.
13 My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh
resting between my breasts.

14 My lover is to me a cluster of henna blossoms
from the vineyards of En Gedi.

Lover
15 How beautiful you are, my darling!
Oh, how beautiful!
Your eyes are doves.
Beloved
16 How handsome you are, my lover!
Oh, how charming!
And our bed is verdant.

I'll stop there because I understand that there are sometimes younger folk who read these forums.

 

[Balthasar21]

if the Qur'aan the true words of Allah why are their diffrent translation . Are these translation for the diffrent school of thought for the 81 or more diffrent Sects of muslims ?

 

[جوري]

I don't understand your question?.... Perhaps because it is very silly--some argue that Robert Bly who is a poet himself has done a great job translating the work of Antonio Machado, some think he has done it great injustice? you can be the judge once you have done some reading of the book in original tongue and of the translation-- one can evoke a sentiment ( a feeling) or one can translate the literal word. It depends on the reader's point of view. If you want the work unadulterated, you'll either have to learn Spanish and spare yourself the confusion or go through more than one source to get the full bloodied feel of it, or just take people's word on who is the best translator and be content that you learn an emotion through his eyes....
The Quran has been in Arabic tongue unchanged since its beginning.
The the language of the Quran is at the epitome of Arabic grammar. one needs to look at just one Sura, suret An Nazi'At, to see Pickthal struggle finding multiple words for just two very profound and descriptive ones in Arabic... that is how brilliant the language of the Quran, how meaningful.

بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمنِ الرَّحِيمِ
وَالنَّازِعَاتِ غَرْقًا {1}​

two words Pickthal used 7
[Pickthal 79:1] By those who drag forth to destruction,

وَالنَّاشِطَاتِ نَشْطًا {2}​

Again two words
[Pickthal 79:2] By the meteors rushing,
Pickthal used 4

وَالسَّابِحَاتِ سَبْحًا {3}​

[Pickthal 79:3] By the lone stars floating,
two words while pickthal uses 5

فَالسَّابِقَاتِ سَبْقًا {4}
[Pickthal 79:4] By the angels hastening,
two words, pickthal uses 4

فَالْمُدَبِّرَاتِ أَمْرًا {5}​

[Pickthal 79:5] And those who govern the event,
two words- pickthal uses 6

يَوْمَ تَرْجُفُ الرَّاجِفَةُ {6}​

[Pickthal 79:6] On the day when the first trump resoundeth.
three words pickthal uses 8

تَتْبَعُهَا الرَّادِفَةُ {7}​

[Pickthal 79:7] And the second followeth it,
two words pickhal uses 5

قُلُوبٌ يَوْمَئِذٍ وَاجِفَةٌ {8}​

[Pickthal 79:8] On that day hearts beat painfully
3 words pickthal uses 6

أَبْصَارُهَا خَاشِعَةٌ {9}​

[Pickthal 79:9] While eyes are downcast
two words pickthal uses 4

I don't think you quite understand, how profound and powerful two words are, that you need a library of words to describe them, then carry that abstract thought through, to understand, how precise, poetic, rhythmic, sequential, and meaningful the Quran is, and take the challenge to come up with a a sura not an entire book like it...

lastly I am not sure who the "81" sects you are talking about. Pls --I insist you list every last one!
thanks

 

[Trumble]

if the Qur'aan the true words of Allah why are their diffrent translation . Are these translation for the diffrent school of thought for the 81 or more diffrent Sects of muslims ?

No, although perhaps the personal beliefs of some of the translators have an influence.

It's just that any translation between languages is as much an art as it is a science. If you translate literally it rarely makes sense which means a certain degree of 'interpretation' is required, and each translator will have a different style. You can see that in languages far more closely related than modern English and Quran'ic Arabic. For example I have two translations of Rousseau's 'The Social Contract' on the shelf, and while they say the same thing the actual phrasing and word selection varies considerably.

There is a huge link between language and thought pattern as well. Good translation requires an intuitive feel for, and the ability to think in, both languages. Very few people are actually any good at it even for straightforward stuff.. even more so for philosophical, religious and poetic subjects.

one needs to look at just one Sura, suret An Nazi'At, to see Pickthal struggle finding multiple words for just two very profound and descriptive ones in Arabic... that is how brilliant the language of the Quran, how meaningful.

You don't think that someone translating Shakespeare (say) into Qur'anic Arabic might have much the same problem as Pickthal?

 

[Grace Seeker]

if the Qur'aan the true words of Allah why are their diffrent translation . Are these translation for the diffrent school of thought for the 81 or more diffrent Sects of muslims ?

For the same reason that there are multiple translations of any work that has value to others, but it is in a language they don't understand. That would be true even of a note I wrote for my wife to pick up some milk on her way home from work. If she didn't understand the language I wrote it in it would require a translation. And no translation would necessarily carry the full tenor of the meaning I was trying to convey. Imagine if the translation was literal, she might go into a store and pick up some milk. Then having done so, put it back on the store shelf and come home leaving it there. Translations have to find the balance between the words actually used and the meaning behind them. But as soon as one goes trying to convey meaning, then one is interpreting. You interpret that I wanted her to bring some milk home. It might be that all I really wanted her to do was to pick up some milk this time, because the soda people are upset that she keeps messing up their displays by doing her weight routine with their products.

Literal translation or dynamic thought translation, or somewhere inbetween. Each person has to make their own call on that decision. And because people answer that in many different ways there are going to be many different translations of the Qur'an, of the Bible, and of the note I write to my wife.

 

[جوري]

I have to give reps to you both on a job well done.. sigh I think the time has come for me to move on.. the old members are working so well and in concert... Hope I am not speaking too soon lol
peace!

 

[جوري]

You don't think that someone translating Shakespeare (say) into Qur'anic Arabic might have much the same problem?

proper Arabic you mean?-- I think English, even old English is a relatively simple language compared to Arabic, which is considered the 2nd most difficult language after Chinese...

we have words that aren't found in English and more letters in the alphabet, So I don't think there will really be a problem translating one word for another to denote the exact same thing in Arabic...

I don't want to go into Arabic grammar lessons right now... but there are things you can do with verbs in the way of adjectives. I am not sure I can articulate correctly what I mean, but you use the verb to both assert your meaning as well as make into an adjective, that is simply not found in languages like English...

Also there is a number of ways to conjugate for instance what makes you use the word Moslemeen or Muslimoon, they are essentially the plural to mean the same thing, but there is very stringent rules of grammar that enable you to conjugate one way and not the other Again not found in English, plural of Muslim will be Muslims not muslemees or muslimoos ... It is very expansive, and certainly can't be covered in one day.

Part of the reason really those of us who believe the Quran to be the literal word of G-D, I can't evoke that sentiment in you or even in any Muslim who isn't very familiar in Arabic. You make mistakes in every day grammar, you speak with different dialects, you speak of the language of the time, you have a particular style.
The Quran by contrast, no two suras have the same style, yet contextually, rhythmically, sequentially( I mean to say this because some Ayas in some suras came down 20 yrs apart, Makkya, madnya, and yet flow with the rest as if written on the same day) Also though the words are transcendent not archaic, that is part of the miracle of it, that many take for granted.
An analogy is Sort of like when I go through all the intermediates of glycolysis and tell you at some point in the process the products will split into dihydroxyacetonephosphate (DHAP) and glycerol-3-phosphate each of those intermediates goes on into a different pathway one to yeild pyruvate and the other into fatty acid synthesis, which is a whole cycle in and of itself, and it would mean absolutely nothing to you, even though the fact that it happens at all around the clock so that you can continue to live and thrive is truly nothing short of a miracle, yet it is common enough that no one sees it as such .. (eh it is just what happens) well how come it happens, how did it come to be, and why? and then people aren't too concerned ..
Anyhow, with that all said, I think it would be easier to translate English to Arabic than Arabic into English... and I have known a number of translators who worked at the United Nations who will attest to the same thing...

peace!

 

[Balthasar21]

I don't understand your question?.... Perhaps because it is very silly--some argue that Robert Bly who is a poet himself has done a great job translating the work of Antonio Machado, some think he has done it great injustice? you can be the judge once you have done some reading of the book in original tongue and of the translation-- one can evoke a sentiment ( a feeling) or one can translate the literal word. It depends on the reader's point of view. If you want the work unadulterated, you'll either have to learn Spanish and spare yourself the confusion or go through more than one source to get the full bloodied feel of it, or just take people's word on who is the best translator and be content that you learn an emotion through his eyes....
The Quran has been in Arabic tongue unchanged since its beginning.
The the language of the Quran is at the epitome of Arabic grammar. one needs to look at just one Sura, suret An Nazi'At, to see Pickthal struggle finding multiple words for just two very profound and descriptive ones in Arabic... that is how brilliant the language of the Quran, how meaningful.

بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمنِ الرَّحِيمِ
وَالنَّازِعَاتِ غَرْقًا {1}​

two words Pickthal used 7
[Pickthal 79:1] By those who drag forth to destruction,

وَالنَّاشِطَاتِ نَشْطًا {2}​

Again two words
[Pickthal 79:2] By the meteors rushing,
Pickthal used 4

وَالسَّابِحَاتِ سَبْحًا {3}​

[Pickthal 79:3] By the lone stars floating,
two words while pickthal uses 5

فَالسَّابِقَاتِ سَبْقًا {4}
[Pickthal 79:4] By the angels hastening,
two words, pickthal uses 4

فَالْمُدَبِّرَاتِ أَمْرًا {5}​

[Pickthal 79:5] And those who govern the event,
two words- pickthal uses 6

يَوْمَ تَرْجُفُ الرَّاجِفَةُ {6}​

[Pickthal 79:6] On the day when the first trump resoundeth.
three words pickthal uses 8

تَتْبَعُهَا الرَّادِفَةُ {7}​

[Pickthal 79:7] And the second followeth it,
two words pickhal uses 5

قُلُوبٌ يَوْمَئِذٍ وَاجِفَةٌ {8}​

[Pickthal 79:8] On that day hearts beat painfully
3 words pickthal uses 6

أَبْصَارُهَا خَاشِعَةٌ {9}​

[Pickthal 79:9] While eyes are downcast
two words pickthal uses 4

I don't think you quite understand, how profound and powerful two words are, that you need a library of words to describe them, then carry that abstract thought through, to understand, how precise, poetic, rhythmic, sequential, and meaningful the Quran is, and take the challenge to come up with a a sura not an entire book like it...

lastly I am not sure who the "81" sects you are talking about. Pls --I insist you list every last one!
thanks

if the Qur'aan the true words of Allah why are their diffrent translation . Are these translation for the diffrent school of thought for the 81 or more diffrent Sects of muslims ? I'm talking about these diffrent sect .


1 . Alawiy -ah 2 . Abadia -yah 3 . Shu'aib -iyah 4 . Ishaqiy -ah 5 . Zaidiay - ah 6 . Abbasi -yah 7 . Imamiy 8 . Narisiyah 9 . Tanasu - khiyah 10 . La'iniy -ah 11 . Rari'iya -h 12 . Murtazi -yah 13 . Azraqiy -ah 14 . Riyaziya 15 . Sa'labi -yah 16 . Jazimiy -ah 17 . Khalifiy -ah 18 . Kuziyah 19 . Kanziyah 20 . Mu'taz -ilah 21 . Maimu -niyah 22 . Muhka -miyah 23. Sirajiya -h 24 . Akhnasi -syah 25 . Muztari-yah 26 . Af'aliya -h 27 . Ma'iyah 28 . Tariqiy 29 . Bakhtiy -ah 30 . Mutam -anniyah 31 . Kaslani -yah 32 . Habbibi -yah 33 . Khaufiy -ah 34 . Fikriyah 35 . Hasabiy -ah 36 . Hujjati -yah 37 . Ahadiy -ah 38 . Sanawi -yah 39 . Kaisani -yah 40 . Shaitani -yah 41 . Shariki -yah 42 . Wahmi - yah 43 . Ruwaid -iyah 44 . Nakisiy -ah 45 . Mutaba -rriyah 46 . Qasitiyah 47 . Nazami - yah 48 . Mutawa -llifyah 49 . Mu'att-aliyah 50 . Mutara-bisiyah 51 , Mutara-qibiyah 52 . Waridiy -ah 53 . Harqiyah 54 . Makhlu -qiyah 55. Ibariya -h 56 , Faniyah 57 . Zanadi -qiyah 58 . Lafziyah 59 . Qabriyah 60 . Waqifiy -ah 61 . Tariqiy -ah 62 . Sha'iyah 63 . Rajiyah 64 . Shakkiy-ah 65 . Nahiyah 66 . 'Amaliy -ah 67 . Manqus -iyah 68 . Mustas-niyah 69 . Ash'ari-yyah 70 . Bid'iyah 71 . Mushab-bihiyah 72 . Hashawi -yah 73 . Hashaw -iyah 74 . Ansaar -ullah 75 . Ahmadi-yah 76 . Nation Of Islam 77. Five Percenters 78 . Bahi 79 . Nubian Islamic Hebrews 80 . African Islamic Mission 81 . Moorish Science Temple ( Just to name a few )

Now this is confuison ,Irtibaak , Balbala , For Islam , Or any other religion that has divided into Sects , And Differences of Opinions . What beautiful about confusion ? Right here in anerica , There are many Sects as well . According to the holy book of the muslim word , Allah speaks against dividing up into Sects . Here take a look ;

Qur'aan 23 ; 52 - 53 ( Yusef Ali )
And verily this brotherhood of your is a ( Single Brotherhood ) And I am your lord and cherisher ; Therefore fear me ( And No Other ) . But people have cut off their affair ( Of Unity ) Between them into Sects ; Each party rejoices in that which is with itself .

The Quraan mentions ONE SUNNAH , Which is Allah's SUNNAH , And I Quote ; Qur'aan 33 ; 62 ; ( Such Was ) The practice ( Approved ) of Allah among those who lived afortime ; No change wilt thou find in the practice ( approved ) of Allah ,

Which all the prophets were to live by . Now you have to admitted that there are many SUNNAHS in practice today resulting in many Jammats . Now my question is which one is Allah's SUNNAH ?

 

[barney]

Go to the shop and buy some milk.

 

[جوري]

if the Qur'aan the true words of Allah why are their diffrent translation . Are these translation for the diffrent school of thought for the 81 or more diffrent Sects of muslims ? I'm talking about these diffrent sect .


1 . Alawiy -ah 2 . Abadia -yah 3 . Shu'aib -iyah 4 . Ishaqiy -ah 5 . Zaidiay - ah 6 . Abbasi -yah 7 . Imamiy 8 . Narisiyah 9 . Tanasu - khiyah 10 . La'iniy -ah 11 . Rari'iya -h 12 . Murtazi -yah 13 . Azraqiy -ah 14 . Riyaziya 15 . Sa'labi -yah 16 . Jazimiy -ah 17 . Khalifiy -ah 18 . Kuziyah 19 . Kanziyah 20 . Mu'taz -ilah 21 . Maimu -niyah 22 . Muhka -miyah 23. Sirajiya -h 24 . Akhnasi -syah 25 . Muztari-yah 26 . Af'aliya -h 27 . Ma'iyah 28 . Tariqiy 29 . Bakhtiy -ah 30 . Mutam -anniyah 31 . Kaslani -yah 32 . Habbibi -yah 33 . Khaufiy -ah 34 . Fikriyah 35 . Hasabiy -ah 36 . Hujjati -yah 37 . Ahadiy -ah 38 . Sanawi -yah 39 . Kaisani -yah 40 . Shaitani -yah 41 . Shariki -yah 42 . Wahmi - yah 43 . Ruwaid -iyah 44 . Nakisiy -ah 45 . Mutaba -rriyah 46 . Qasitiyah 47 . Nazami - yah 48 . Mutawa -llifyah 49 . Mu'att-aliyah 50 . Mutara-bisiyah 51 , Mutara-qibiyah 52 . Waridiy -ah 53 . Harqiyah 54 . Makhlu -qiyah 55. Ibariya -h 56 , Faniyah 57 . Zanadi -qiyah 58 . Lafziyah 59 . Qabriyah 60 . Waqifiy -ah 61 . Tariqiy -ah 62 . Sha'iyah 63 . Rajiyah 64 . Shakkiy-ah 65 . Nahiyah 66 . 'Amaliy -ah 67 . Manqus -iyah 68 . Mustas-niyah 69 . Ash'ari-yyah 70 . Bid'iyah 71 . Mushab-bihiyah 72 . Hashawi -yah 73 . Hashaw -iyah 74 . Ansaar -ullah 75 . Ahmadi-yah 76 . Nation Of Islam 77. Five Percenters 78 . Bahi 79 . Nubian Islamic Hebrews 80 . African Islamic Mission 81 . Moorish Science Temple ( Just to name a few )

Now this is confuison ,Irtibaak , Balbala , For Islam , Or any other religion that has divided into Sects , And Differences of Opinions . What beautiful about confusion ? Right here in anerica , There are many Sects as well . According to the holy book of the muslim word , Allah speaks against dividing up into Sects . Here take a look ;

Qur'aan 23 ; 52 - 53 ( Yusef Ali )
And verily this brotherhood of your is a ( Single Brotherhood ) And I am your lord and cherisher ; Therefore fear me ( And No Other ) . But people have cut off their affair ( Of Unity ) Between them into Sects ; Each party rejoices in that which is with itself .

The Quraan mentions ONE SUNNAH , Which is Allah's SUNNAH , And I Quote ; Qur'aan 33 ; 62 ; ( Such Was ) The practice ( Approved ) of Allah among those who lived afortime ; No change wilt thou find in the practice ( approved ) of Allah ,

Which all the prophets were to live by . Now you have to admitted that there are many SUNNAHS in practice today resulting in many Jammats . Now my question is which one is Allah's SUNNAH ?

lol.. I insist you go into some details about these sects.. admittedly I am a bit ignorant about most of them, the few that I can recognize are Bahais, and they are considered heretics, how can you tell a heretic? simple, read some history and then you can draw your own conclusions, people like Ahamdis for instance, were a recent institution, implemented by the British, after they invaded India-- put a wealthy schizophrenic named Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who claimed he was Jesus, Mohammed and krishna reincarnate, into office to miss lead people and do their bidding, it has always been British philosophy to divide and conquer-- and has worked sufficiently well, except not all the people are as ignorant as they'd hoped! Ahmadyya were instituted in 1839, does that sound like Islam to you? The ignorant will always be led astray--then they can have some movements, heavily fostered by those who wish to distort the image of Islam, so everyone will be confused. Still 1.86 billion of the world's population are Muslim, and 90% of those are sunna -- we can't stop every Tom, Dick and Harry from doing their thing, then everyone screams persecution, do a simple "Ahmadi" search see what comes up -- and certainly Prophet Mohammed PBUH warned us of sectarianism, he said it wouldn't be stopped, but that Allah will always be with the majority (again the majority of Muslims are Sunni) ( 3la sunna Allah wa rasooloh) do a simple google search and see what sorts of sites come up specifically about Ahmadis and how they are being persecuted by Muslims.. who has interest in having these mislead people prosper? I am glad you quoted that verse... from the unchanged book, that then should be your key as to proper Islam

سُنَّةَ اللَّهِ فِي الَّذِينَ خَلَوْا مِن قَبْلُ وَلَن تَجِدَ لِسُنَّةِ اللَّهِ تَبْدِيلًا {62}​

[Pickthal 33:62] That was the way of Allah in the case of those who passed away of old; thou wilt not find for the way of Allah aught of power to change.

سُنَّةَ اللَّهِ literally reads the "sunna" of Allah ( the path/ way) of Allah... Why would anyone wish to deviate from that and stil be considered Muslims :rollseyes ?

Hope we are done here?

 

[Woodrow]

if the Qur'aan the true words of Allah why are their diffrent translation . Are these translation for the diffrent school of thought for the 81 or more diffrent Sects of muslims ? I'm talking about these diffrent sect .


1 . Alawiy -ah 2 . Abadia -yah 3 . Shu'aib -iyah 4 . Ishaqiy -ah 5 . Zaidiay - ah 6 . Abbasi -yah 7 . Imamiy 8 . Narisiyah 9 . Tanasu - khiyah 10 . La'iniy -ah 11 . Rari'iya -h 12 . Murtazi -yah 13 . Azraqiy -ah 14 . Riyaziya 15 . Sa'labi -yah 16 . Jazimiy -ah 17 . Khalifiy -ah 18 . Kuziyah 19 . Kanziyah 20 . Mu'taz -ilah 21 . Maimu -niyah 22 . Muhka -miyah 23. Sirajiya -h 24 . Akhnasi -syah 25 . Muztari-yah 26 . Af'aliya -h 27 . Ma'iyah 28 . Tariqiy 29 . Bakhtiy -ah 30 . Mutam -anniyah 31 . Kaslani -yah 32 . Habbibi -yah 33 . Khaufiy -ah 34 . Fikriyah 35 . Hasabiy -ah 36 . Hujjati -yah 37 . Ahadiy -ah 38 . Sanawi -yah 39 . Kaisani -yah 40 . Shaitani -yah 41 . Shariki -yah 42 . Wahmi - yah 43 . Ruwaid -iyah 44 . Nakisiy -ah 45 . Mutaba -rriyah 46 . Qasitiyah 47 . Nazami - yah 48 . Mutawa -llifyah 49 . Mu'att-aliyah 50 . Mutara-bisiyah 51 , Mutara-qibiyah 52 . Waridiy -ah 53 . Harqiyah 54 . Makhlu -qiyah 55. Ibariya -h 56 , Faniyah 57 . Zanadi -qiyah 58 . Lafziyah 59 . Qabriyah 60 . Waqifiy -ah 61 . Tariqiy -ah 62 . Sha'iyah 63 . Rajiyah 64 . Shakkiy-ah 65 . Nahiyah 66 . 'Amaliy -ah 67 . Manqus -iyah 68 . Mustas-niyah 69 . Ash'ari-yyah 70 . Bid'iyah 71 . Mushab-bihiyah 72 . Hashawi -yah 73 . Hashaw -iyah 74 . Ansaar -ullah 75 . Ahmadi-yah 76 . Nation Of Islam 77. Five Percenters 78 . Bahi 79 . Nubian Islamic Hebrews 80 . African Islamic Mission 81 . Moorish Science Temple ( Just to name a few )

Now this is confuison ,Irtibaak , Balbala , For Islam , Or any other religion that has divided into Sects , And Differences of Opinions . What beautiful about confusion ? Right here in anerica , There are many Sects as well . According to the holy book of the muslim word , Allah speaks against dividing up into Sects . Here take a look ;

Qur'aan 23 ; 52 - 53 ( Yusef Ali )
And verily this brotherhood of your is a ( Single Brotherhood ) And I am your lord and cherisher ; Therefore fear me ( And No Other ) . But people have cut off their affair ( Of Unity ) Between them into Sects ; Each party rejoices in that which is with itself .

The Quraan mentions ONE SUNNAH , Which is Allah's SUNNAH , And I Quote ; Qur'aan 33 ; 62 ; ( Such Was ) The practice ( Approved ) of Allah among those who lived afortime ; No change wilt thou find in the practice ( approved ) of Allah ,

Which all the prophets were to live by . Now you have to admitted that there are many SUNNAHS in practice today resulting in many Jammats . Now my question is which one is Allah's SUNNAH ?

At the moment I am only going to reply to one question.

if the Qur'aan the true words of Allah why are their diffrent translation .

there is just one Qur'an and that is the same the world around. A translation is not considered the Qur'an and no translation contains the meanings of the Qur'an. A translation is just an approximate explanation of what was said in another language. Being just an approximation, it is doubtful any two translator would express the same meaning in the same words. Many Arabic words have no English counter part (oran equal in any other language) This is the reason a translation can not be considered the Qur'an. There is no true translation possible.

 

[Balthasar21]

lol.. I insist you go into some details about these sects.. admittedly I am a bit ignorant about most of them, the few that I can recognize are Bahais, and they are considered heretics, how can you tell a heretic? simple, read some history and then you can draw your own conclusions, people like Ahamdis for instance, were a recent institution, implemented by the British, after they invaded India-- put a wealthy schizophrenic named Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who claimed he was Jesus, Mohammed and krishna reincarnate, into office to miss lead people and do their bidding, it has always been British philosophy to divide and conquer-- and has worked sufficiently well, except not all the people are as ignorant as they'd hoped! Ahmadyya were instituted in 1839, does that sound like Islam to you? The ignorant will always be led astray--then they can have some movements, heavily fostered by those who wish to distort the image of Islam, so everyone will be confused. Still 1.86 billion of the world's population are Muslim, and 90% of those are sunna -- we can't stop every Tom, Dick and Harry from doing their thing, then everyone screams persecution, do a simple "Ahmadi" search see what comes up -- and certainly Prophet Mohammed PBUH warned us of sectarianism, he said it wouldn't be stopped, but that Allah will always be with the majority (again the majority of Muslims are Sunni) ( 3la sunna Allah wa rasooloh) do a simple google search and see what sorts of sites come up specifically about Ahmadis and how they are being persecuted by Muslims.. who has interest in having these mislead people prosper? I am glad you quoted that verse... from the unchanged book, that then should be your key as to proper Islam

سُنَّةَ اللَّهِ فِي الَّذِينَ خَلَوْا مِن قَبْلُ وَلَن تَجِدَ لِسُنَّةِ اللَّهِ تَبْدِيلًا {62}​

[Pickthal 33:62] That was the way of Allah in the case of those who passed away of old; thou wilt not find for the way of Allah aught of power to change.

سُنَّةَ اللَّهِ literally reads the "sunna" of Allah ( the path/ way) of Allah... Why would anyone wish to deviate from that and stil be considered Muslims :rollseyes ?

Hope we are done here?

I suggest you research the above Diffrent SECTS of muslims for yourself and , see if their school of though diffrent from yours so if the question come up you'll have a answer . You should ask your teacher if all muslims are brothers as they say , Why are their diffrent SECT of muslims and why aren't they all taught the same thing .

 

[Grace Seeker]

Go to the shop and buy some milk.

I tried, but at the first shop I went to they claimed they had no milk. They had tables and chairs and bookcases and all sorts of things made out of wood, but no milk. So, I tried another shop where a mechanic even crawled out from underneath an auto to talk to me, but again he insisted that they had no milk. So, I tried another where they were glad to sell me a camera or process my film but again no milk. Time and time again I would check this shop or that shop and while some wanted to milk some money from me; none of them would sell me any milk. Eventually I simply gave up. There is not a milkshop in this entire town. Finally, exhausted I stopped at the store to instead buy some pop, which I did, but I have to admit being a little distressed that I had to take the mom home too. I guess that's what I get for shopping at a mom & pop store.

 

[Balthasar21]

I tried, but at the first shop I went to they claimed they had no milk. They had tables and chairs and bookcases and all sorts of things made out of wood, but no milk. So, I tried another shop where a mechanic even crawled out from underneath an auto to talk to me, but again he insisted that they had no milk. So, I tried another where they were glad to sell me a camera or process my film but again no milk. Time and time I would chech this shop or that shop and while some wanted to milk some money from me; none of them would sell me any milk. Eventually I simply gave up. There is not a milkshop in this entire town. Finally, exhausted I stopped at the store to instead buy some pop, which I did, but I have to admit being a little distressed that I had to take the mom home too. I guess that's what I get for shopping at a mom & pop store.

Is the above some type of code , Just wondering

 

[Grace Seeker]

I suggest you research the above Diffrent SECTS of muslims for yourself and , see if their school of though diffrent from yours so if the question come up you'll have a answer . You should ask your teacher if all muslims are brothers as they say , Why are their diffrent SECT of muslims and why aren't they all taught the same thing .

I'm not even Muslim and your question makes little sense to me. If you had asked the same thing of Christiantiy, which has even more divisions within it than Islam, I would have told you that despite our differences, our commonalities are much greater. And that yes, all who are united to Christ are indeed adopted into the family of God and as such children of God. We therefore are all brothers and sisters in Christ and thus brothers and sisters of one another, though we have difference just like there are differences within any family. We have those differences because though we are all one big (sometimes happy, sometimes angry) family, that we are also still all individuals. And each one of us thinks for ourselves and has their own unique relationship with God through Jesus Christ. Sometimes these differences become enough to cause some division within the family, but it isn't enough to keep us from being family.

 

[- Qatada -]

I suggest you research the above Diffrent SECTS of muslims for yourself and , see if their school of though diffrent from yours so if the question come up you'll have a answer . You should ask your teacher if all muslims are brothers as they say , Why are their diffrent SECT of muslims and why aren't they all taught the same thing .

You asking about sects?


The Messenger of Allaah, Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:

"Indeed those from before you from the People of the Book divided into seventy-two groups. And, indeed, this group (Muslims) will divide into seventy-three. Seventy-two groups will be in the Hellfire and one of them will be in Paradise. And it is the Jamaa'ah (group)." 3

And in another narration, he said: "Everyone of them in the Hellfire, except for one group that which I and my companions are upon." 4
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Thats the answer to your question, because the praise is for Allaah we have the understanding of the companions of Qur'an and Sunnah preserved for us, and it will remain that way insha Allaah (God willing.)


http://tafsir.com

try checking that link to see the Qur'an and Sunnah according to the understanding of the Prophet and his companions (peace be upon him.)


Anyone who deviates from their way is going astray since they had the best understanding, why? Because they were present at the time the revelation was being sent down. Who else could have better understanding of the revelation apart from them?




Regards.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Is the above some type of code , Just wondering

It's a simple response to Barney's question about why I don't go to the shop to buy some milk. It's also an explanation about why we have different translations. Yes, that explanation is in code, the code is idiomatic English. If you don't know the idioms you will not understand it and will need a different answer in English. But that would require another translation, thus explaining why there might be more than one translation of the Qur'an also. Translations are not about sects, but about language. Because there are idioms in all languages, so one needs to translate differently according to one's facility with the idioms of the language. I would like to explaim more, but I just heard all hell just break loose outside; my car windows are open and it's raining cats and dogs.

 

[Balthasar21]

I'm not even Muslim and your question makes little sense to me. If you had asked the same thing of Christiantiy, which has even more divisions within it than Islam, I would have told you that despite our differences, our commonalities are much greater. And that yes, all who are united to Christ are indeed adopted into the family of God and as such children of God. We therefore are all brothers and sisters in Christ and thus brothers and sisters of one another, though we have difference just like there are differences within any family. We have those differences because though we are all one big (sometimes happy, sometimes angry) family, that we are also still all individuals. And each one of us thinks for ourselves and has their own unique relationship with God through Jesus Christ. Sometimes these differences become enough to cause some division within the family, but it isn't enough to keep us from being family.

If you like we can discuss Christianity on another post , About the self Appointed Apostle , Saul , Shaool , Paul The Father Of Christianity Acts 11 ; 26 . if you wish .

 

[جوري]

I suggest you research the above Diffrent SECTS of muslims for yourself and , see if their school of though diffrent from yours so if the question come up you'll have a answer . You should ask your teacher if all muslims are brothers as they say , Why are their diffrent SECT of muslims and why aren't they all taught the same thing .

Make me no suggestions, I don't value your opinion on an intellectual or even a debate level. You seem like a rookie with a not so clear agenda. I tire of rummaging through large volumes of cut and paste, and I don't think it reflects very well on you. I have no interest in sectarianism, and have clearely stated to you that 90% of Muslims are sunnis-- it so happens you are the one who brought them up, should make perfect sense that you be able to discuss them with some dexterity? and perhaps make your conclusion come as close to the point of posed question as much as possible. I am not really sure what is the purpose of all of this? a vulgar display of pseudo intellect? There is no sense wasting everyone's time!
peace!

 

[Balthasar21]

Make me no suggestions, I don't value your opinion on an intellectual or even a debate level. You seem like a rookie with a not so clear agenda. I tire of rummaging through large volumes of cut and paste, and I don't think it reflects very well on you. I have no interest in sectarianism, and have clearely stated to you that 90% of Muslims are sunnis-- it so happens you are the one who brought them up, should make perfect sense that you be able to discuss them with some dexterity? and perhaps make your conclusion come as close to the point of posed question as much as possible. I am not really sure what is the purpose of all of this? a vulgar display of pseudo intellect? There is no sense wasting everyone's time!
peace!

I suggest you move on then , But your right about one thing your wasteing your time here , If your looking for a pat on the head or a well done from me your only going get it if you come right , This is all about agreeing to disagreeing not feeding one ego . By the way your opinion of me doesn't count just so you know .