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Oh...I can completely believe that one could design a chemical agent that was hormonally active (an estrogen agonist or antagonist for eg.). It might even be possible to develop some type of aerosol or put it in the village water supply...but to have it affect 95+% of all the women and prepubertal girls in one place at the same time with an abrupt onset seems a bit of a stretch to me.

The only thing that seems plausible if there was some cultural practice that allowed the selective contamination of the women with some more general agent (like a nerve agent) when the men weren't around (like a religous service, for eg.)

With all due respect, it seems like the only thing plausible, because you don't know enough about science, biological or chemical warfare!-- Reading a wikipdea article or doing a quick search on a medication I have posted doesn't qualify you as scientist or provide you with enough information to understand the Pharmacokinetics, further we are not talking about pharmaceutical agents here, we are not talking about things having gone through 4 phases of trials with testing of LD, or ED and FDA scrutiny, we are talking about chemical ware fare!
No one gains anything from your beliefs or what you deem plausible-- I don't take you as the type who would march into the United Nations and demand that such atrocities be halted anyway or writing to your local congressman to shed light on this, so your skepticism or this is a stretch but phony empathy, is really not going to help anyone.

You can sit here and speculate, about the probability, the impossibility oh what could those agents be, it challenges your mind, So you look for the first satisfactory simple answer. That is how the human mind works when something is beyond conception, and we all know you are a concrete thinker !
 
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p.s.. I love that bit about U.S saving Bosnian Muslims... that is why entire villages were torched down.. where was the U.S at the massacre at Srebrenica?http://www.haverford.edu/relg/sells/srebrenica/srebrenica.html

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L10474756.htm
Reuters
Fri, 10 September 2004

More Srebrenica victims found in Bosnia mass grave

By Maja Zuvela

BLJECEVO, Bosnia, Sep 10 (Reuters) -- Forensic experts say they
have found the remains of dozens of Muslims massacred at Srebrenica
during Bosnia's ethnic war in a mass grave near the eastern town.

Team member Ismet Music said 103 complete or incomplete bodies
had so far been exhumed from the grave on a hill above the village
of Bljecevo, with clothes and other belongings of the victims
scattered on the surface. Documents found at the site showed
they were from Srebrenica.

He is a member of the missing persons commission of the
Muslim-Croat federation, one of two autonomous Bosnian regions
to emerge from the 1992-95 conflict.

"We have found a lot of clothes ... that indicate these were
civilians of different ages who tried to escape through the woods
after the fall of Srebrenica," he said standing by the grave.

Up to 8,000 Muslim men and boys were killed in three days after
Bosnian Serb forces overran the town in July 1995, Europe's worst
massacre since World War II.

The UN war crimes tribunal in The Hague has indicted wartime
Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic and his military commander
Ratko Mladic for genocide in Srebrenica.

Two of the world's most wanted men both remain at large.

Nine years after the war, mass graves holding victims of ethnic
cleansing and other atrocities are still found regularly.

More than 16,000 people remain unaccounted for.

Music said the bodies unearthed in Bljecevo had been moved from
another site in an attempt to cover up the killings.

A separate grave some 20 metres away yielded 366 complete or incomplete
remains of Muslims killed in the Srebrenica area when it was exhumed
last month.

The two sites were found near a cemetery officially opened by
former U.S. President Bill Clinton last year, where 1,327 identified
Srebrenica victims have been buried so far.

Another Muslim-led forensics team said on Friday they had recovered
109 bodies from a site in north-western Bosnia, believed to be Muslims
killed in Serb detention camps in 1992.
____________________________________________________________________
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040902/481/xae10109021510


[PHOTO]: Bosnian Muslim woman, Zumreta Sehomerovic, covers her face
as she looks at human remains in an attempt to identify her husband Omer
who has been missing since July 1995, at a mass-grave site in the village
of Bljecevo, near the Eastern-Bosnian town of Bratunac, 50 kms north of
Sarajevo, Bosnia, on Thursday, Sept. 2, 2004. Forensics experts believed
that this mass grave contains the remains of over 200 people. Most of
the remains are believed to be those of Muslims from Srebrenica killed
in July 1995 during the fall of Srebrenica. The site is a so-called
secondary grave, where bodies initially buried elsewhere were dumped.
(AP Photo/Amel Emric)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040902/481/xae10409021531

[PHOTO]: Bosnian Muslim Sabaheta Fejzic looks on while a Bosnian forensic
expert Murat Hertic inspects clothes in an attempt to identify remains of
her husband Saban and son Rijad, missing since July 1995, at a mass grave
site in the village of Bljecevo, near the eastern Bosnian town of
Bratunac, 50 kms north of Sarajevo, Bosnia, on Thursday, Sept. 2, 2004.
Forensics experts believe this mass grave contains over 200 body remains
and it is considered to be a secondary mass grave. Most of the remains
are believed to be those of Muslims from Srebrenica killed in July 1995
during the fall of Srebrenica. A so-called secondary grave is where
bodies initially buried elsewhere were dumped. (AP Photo/Amel Emric)


so please save me the phony bologna, of how you have come to save the day
 
PurestAmbrosia, sis do you know what they do? they leave in war till you have no power even to say "help", and then they come and help you , so after they kick the occupator, they become an occupator themselves, and if you tell them "can you please go, i want to have my country and governm it myself" they say to you "shhhh, we saved you. do you want to get back where you were" , and you just have to shush and do whatever they say. when a masaccre happened in kosovo, the head of OSCE , mr.Walker cried when he was present at the scene where the masacree happened, and guess what after a short period, they took him off the position. so these are just lies, which people are pretty much fooled by that we help we help.
 
PurestAmbrosia, sis do you know what they do? they leave in war till you have no power even to say "help", and then they come and help you , so after they kick the occupator, they become an occupator themselves, and if you tell them "can you please go, i want to have my country and governm it myself" they say to you "shhhh, we saved you. do you want to get back where you were" , and you just have to shush and do whatever they say. when a masaccre happened in kosovo, the head of OSCE , mr.Walker cried when he was present at the scene where the masacree happened, and guess what after a short period, they took him off the position. so these are just lies, which people are pretty much fooled by that we help we help.

I know exactly what they do akhi...I am not unfamiliar with war torn regions. All I can say is La 7wla wla qiwta ila billah. Allah Akbar min kol kabeer....
I detest visiting this section, just because it makes my blood boil. You don't need the validation of these pompous froufrous.. sitting in their home mandating who deserves to be saved and who deserves to be killed.

رَبَّنَا وَلاَ تُحَمِّلْنَا مَا لاَ طَاقَةَ لَنَا بِهِ وَاعْفُ عَنَّا وَاغْفِرْ لَنَا وَارْحَمْنَا أَنتَ مَوْلاَنَا فَانصُرْنَا عَلَى الْقَوْمِ الْكَافِرِينَ {286}

Don't worry akhi... I know it will get worst before it gets better.. but there is still worst according to the prophecies of the end, We'll lose Constantinople, Iraq and Syria...

Abu Nadhrah (R.A.) narrates:

"We were sitting in the company of Jabir bin Abdullah (R.A.) when he said: 'Soon the people of Iraq will neither receive any food (grain) nor any money.'" We asked, "Why would such a thing happen?" He replied, "Because of the non-Arabs." (i.e they will prevent food from going into Iraq, in the form of "sanctions" - to this day.) He then said: "Soon the people of Shaam (Syria) will neither receive any money nor grain." We asked as to why this would happen. He replied: "Because of the Romans." -
Revealed 1400 years ago; source:Sahih Muslim, Book 40, Number 6961
source

if you see this is happening-- then rest assured as Allah wills, the rest too shall happen. we'll rise again by G-D's will-- So hang to tough, we will get through this... I don't have hope it will happen in my generation, but it will insha'Allah!
:w:
 
I know exactly what they do akhi...I am not unfamiliar with war torn regions. All I can say is La 7wla wla qiwta ila billah. Allah Akbar min kol kabeer....
I detest visiting this section, just because it makes my blood boil. You don't need the validation of these pompous froufrous.. sitting in their home mandating who deserves to be saved and who deserves to be killed.

رَبَّنَا وَلاَ تُحَمِّلْنَا مَا لاَ طَاقَةَ لَنَا بِهِ وَاعْفُ عَنَّا وَاغْفِرْ لَنَا وَارْحَمْنَا أَنتَ مَوْلاَنَا فَانصُرْنَا عَلَى الْقَوْمِ الْكَافِرِينَ {286}

Don't worry akhi... I know it will get worst before it gets better.. but there is still worst according to the prophecies of the end, We'll lose Constantinople, Iraq and Syria...

Abu Nadhrah (R.A.) narrates:

"We were sitting in the company of Jabir bin Abdullah (R.A.) when he said: 'Soon the people of Iraq will neither receive any food (grain) nor any money.'" We asked, "Why would such a thing happen?" He replied, "Because of the non-Arabs." (i.e they will prevent food from going into Iraq, in the form of "sanctions" - to this day.) He then said: "Soon the people of Shaam (Syria) will neither receive any money nor grain." We asked as to why this would happen. He replied: "Because of the Romans." -
Revealed 1400 years ago; source:Sahih Muslim, Book 40, Number 6961
source

if you see this is happening-- then rest assured as Allah wills, the rest too shall happen. we'll rise again by G-D's will-- So hang to tough, we will get through this... I don't have hope it will happen in my generation, but it will insha'Allah!

yeah, exactly, and someone comes and starts philosofying about something which they have no knowledge.
recently UNMIK - United Nations Mission in Kosova, burned 5 people , and also during the protests they used plastic bullets inside with metal which are forbidded to be used anymore in world, but they used in kosova, and guess what two people got killed. What's the difference between UN and former genocide of serbian police?? they behave the same.
 
yeah, exactly, and someone comes and starts philosofying about something which they have no knowledge.
recently UNMIK - United Nations Mission in Kosova, burned 5 people , and also during the protests they used plastic bullets inside with metal which are forbidded to be used anymore in world, but they used in kosova, and guess what two people got killed. What's the difference between UN and former genocide of serbian police?? they behave the same.

I don't know what the use of the UN is really? I find the organization sort of laughable.. You have any idea how many laws Israel has broken or is in defiance of? yet so quick to enforce them when it comes to anyone else .. It is a funny little organization meant to stroke Israel's ********.. read this page, by a united Nations diplomat, he is actually a Christian (Arab)-- they threatened him, called him a Muslim as if an insult lol, he picked the right moment to reveal that he isn't Muslim, he and his kid keep receiving death threats, it is most amusing.
http://www.users.cloud9.net/~recross/israel-watch/
 
UN

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Serbian policemen

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any difference on their behaviour?
 
Only G-D knows what other awful things go on, that aren't caught on film....
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Only G-D knows what other awful things go on, that aren't caught on film....

they have used bullets which are forbidded in the whole world. but they try them in kosova. this is the UN. law-following organization.
 
Ivan is definatly capable of it. They poisioned a guy with radiation in a london resteraunt in a very obvious , horrible and open way, remember?

Could also be a leak from a Chemical plant and theyre covering it up? They cover up pretty much everything.
 
they have used bullets which are forbidded in the whole world. but they try them in kosova. this is the UN. law-following organization.

Don't you know the laws of the Geneva convention and honoring international human rights laws don't apply to Muslims?... you need to Roll over a shaded area to read that section in with fine print. it will let you know all is permitted when it comes to extinguishing Muslim life.. Time for the Arab world, and the rest of the Muslim world to wake up. These people aren't our friends.. The "New middle east" that they have in mind excludes Muslims, I.e. all 1.86 billion of us-- so they snip here and snip there, and do it by all means, chemical, psychological, media, financial, sanctions. Sometimes I wish I can go give a Friday sermon and wake this slumbering umma up....:raging:
 
Don't you know the laws of the Geneva convention and honoring international human rights laws don't apply to Muslims?... you need to Roll over a shaded area to read that section in with fine print. it will let you know all is permitted when it comes to extinguishing Muslim life.. Time for the Arab world, and the rest of the Muslim world to wake up. These people aren't our friends.. The "New middle east" that they have in mind excludes Muslims, I.e. all 1.86 billion of us-- so they snip here and snip there, and do it by all means, chemical, psychological, media, financial, sanctions. Sometimes I wish I can go give a Friday sermon and wake this slumbering umma up....

who do u want to talk to? to born-muslims who don't approve the permission for a mosque to be built? but they approve for a cethedral to be built? we are in this position not bc of the kafiroon, but bc of the munafiqoon. The munafiqs are what are causing all this problem today.
 
who do u want to talk to? to born-muslims who don't approve the permission for a mosque to be built? but they approve for a cethedral to be built? we are in this position not bc of the kafiroon, but bc of the munafiqoon. The munafiqs are what are causing all this problem today.

I don't know, anyone who will listen.. Sometimes I am shocked at the Lebanese programming I see on the LBC, it is as if they are completely oblivious to the world around them... it is really no wonder we are in this predicament globally. Do you think this would have been the case if we had at least Khalid ibn Ilwaleed in our midst.
It is disheartening the affairs of the Muslims. I am terribly saddened by it. All I can offer is volunteer my time and help only in my area of expertise or give charity-- I really don't know what else is in my hand to do. I wish every Muslim would change.. but change has to come from within if we are to improve. I can't evoke this same sentiment in me to others who would rather dance and play and lead a secular life!
 
I don't know, anyone who will listen.. Sometimes I am shocked at the Lebanese programming I see on the LBC, it is as if they are completely oblivious to the world around them... it is really no wonder we are in this predicament globally. Do you think this would have been the case if we had at least Khalid ibn Ilwaleed in our midst.
It is disheartening the affairs of the Muslims. I am terribly saddened by it. All I can offer is volunteer my time and help only in my area of expertise or give charity-- I really don't know what else is in my hand to do. I wish every Muslim would change.. but change has to come from within if we are to improve. I can't evoke this same sentiment in me to others who would rather dance and play and lead a secular life!

you need some one like Omer ibn Khattab r.a . :)
 
With all due respect...

Guy, why do you bother with the feigned civility then proceed to make inferences about me on very little information, insult my intelligence (literally), accuse me of insincerity and cowardice and...let's see, did I leave anything out?


As it happens, I am a medical doctor, and I have attended several conferences given by the CDC to train physicians on chemical and biological warfare agents. I have also done quite a bit of reading on the subject. I was recently revaccinated with smallpox vaccine as a designated first responder for a large Children's Hosptial (this is before the CDC stopped doing it because of severe side effects :phew . I know more about pharmacology and epidemiology and toxicology than it seems you are willing to ascribe to me. By the way, the reason finasteride is dangerous to women is not because it will cause them to fall to the ground incapacitated, but because of the quiet effect it may have on a male fetus (not to be discovered until many months later). Perhps you should try Google.

we are talking about chemical ware fare!

Maybe we are, maybe we aren't.
Are the Russians ruthless at times? Yes.
Do the Chechens have a legitimate complaint about Russian colonialism and oppression? Yes
Do the Russians have genocidal plans against the Chechens? Perhaps.
Do they have mystical powers? Not since Rasputin. They still have to obey the laws of physics and chemisty.

If you have an explanation that doesn't involve the supernatural, I am listening. I admit they are a clever bunch of poisoners but this particualr claim seems to have more than a little propaganda feel.

No one gains anything from your beliefs or what you deem plausible-- I don't take you as the type who would march into the United Nations and demand that such atrocities be halted anyway or writing to your local congressman to shed light on this, so your skepticism or this is a stretch but phony empathy, is really not going to help anyone.

You can sit here and speculate, about the probability, the impossibility oh what could those agents be, it challenges your mind, So you look for the first satisfactory simple answer. That is how the human mind works when something is beyond conception, and we all know you are a concrete thinker !

Thanks pal. You are a gentleman and a scholar. Sorry to have rained on this crime against humanity. At your suggestion, I started to write my Congressman but then I remembered he isn't in the Russian Parliament. Perhaps you have other suggestions. What are you doing about Chechnya, for example? Can I borrow the signs you made for your protest in front of the Russian Embassy?
 
Guy, why do you bother with the feigned civility then proceed to make inferences about me on very little information, insult my intelligence (literally), accuse me of insincerity and cowardice and...let's see, did I leave anything out??

I am not a guy for starters... yes-- perhaps we can add blindness to the list? as for the rest I do believe it to be an adequate assessment of self -- yes!

As it happens, I am a medical doctor, and I have attended several conferences given by the CDC to train physicians on chemical and biological warfare agents. I have also done quite a bit of reading on the subject. I was recently revaccinated with smallpox vaccine as a designated first responder for a large Children's Hosptial (this is before the CDC stopped doing it because of severe side effects :phew . I know more about pharmacology and epidemiology and toxicology than it seems you are willing to ascribe to me. By the way, the reason finasteride is dangerous to women is not because it will cause them to fall to the ground incapacitated, but because of the quiet effect it may have on a male fetus (not to be discovered until many months later). Perhps you should try Google.
Google?Doctor of feel good? lol seems like a dangerous place to do your research for a so-called pyhsician. I am not sure where I have mentioned finasteride leading women to fall to the ground incapacitated? perhaps you can point it out for me? other than that, I can do without your impressive list of accolades.



Maybe we are, maybe we aren't.
Are the Russians ruthless at times? Yes.
Do the Chechens have a legitimate complaint about Russian colonialism and oppression? Yes
Do the Russians have genocidal plans against the Chechens? Perhaps.
Do they have mystical powers? Not since Rasputin. They still have to obey the laws of physics and chemisty.

If you have an explanation that doesn't involve the supernatural, I am listening. I admit they are a clever bunch of poisoners but this particualr claim seems to have more than a little propaganda feel.



Thanks pal. You are a gentleman and a scholar. Sorry to have rained on this crime against humanity. At your suggestion, I started to write my Congressman but then I remembered he isn't in the Russian Parliament. Perhaps you have other suggestions. What are you doing about Chechnya, for example? Can I borrow the signs you made for your protest in front of the Russian Embassy?

I ain't your pal.. and I am a lady!.. what you do or don't do, isn't really my concern for starters you can start by butting out, not every post needs your flaccid input! If you have something of substance to impart then do so, if not spare me insolent replies!
 
Don't you know the laws of the Geneva convention and honoring international human rights laws don't apply to Muslims?... :
Signatorys to the convention agree to abide by its terms and it applies to their conduct in war against non-signatorys. So thats just a kneejerk "oppressed muslim" response, rather than anything factual.

Again.
 
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Signatorys to the convention agree to abide by its terms and it applies to their conduct in war against non-signatorys. So thats just a kneejerk "oppressed muslim" response, rather than anything factual.

Again.

Really? the ever handy "google" can generate a thousand article over where the U.S fails to abide by the laws of the Geneva Convention, here is the first one to pop up for starters... At this rate, I am not sure what your definition is of a fact? Maybe you live in lala land?

US flouts world opinion and Geneva Convention in treatment of Afghan war prisoners
By Shannon Jones and Patrick Martin
23 January 2002
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The brutal treatment by the United States of Taliban and al Qaeda prisoners in its custody, who are being held in open-air cages at the Guantanamo naval base in Cuba, is provoking growing worldwide condemnation as a violation of international law.

The International Committee of the Red Cross said January 21 that those being held by American forces must be classified as prisoners of war under the Geneva Convention and were entitled to all the protections offered by it. The ICRC is the international body entrusted with enforcement of the Geneva Convention, and its decision is a political blow to the Bush administration.

Red Cross officials added that some of the terms used by the US government to describe the Afghan prisoners, such as “battlefield detainees,” have no legal meaning. The Red Cross has further charged that the US is abusing prisoners in Afghanistan, where it is holding 360 captured fighters in Kandahar in an unsheltered stockade, exposed to the bitter winter cold.

Amnesty International joined the Red Cross and other groups in asking the US government to define the prisoners as POWs. “It is not the prerogative of the Secretary of Defense or any other U.S. administration official to determine whether those held in Guantanamo are POWs,” the group said in a statement. “An independent US court, following due process, is the appropriate organ.”

The Bush administration and the Pentagon have employed makeshift and invented terms like “illegal combatant” to describe the prisoners, in order to disguise the fact that it is the US government, not the POWs, which is engaged in illegal activity.

Recognizing the POW status of the captured men would defeat the entire purpose of their removal from Afghanistan, which is aimed at facilitating intensive interrogation, drumhead trials before military tribunals, and prolonged imprisonment. Under the Geneva Convention, prisoners cannot be forced to reveal more than their name, rank, serial number and date of birth. Unless they are formally tried for war crimes, POWs must be returned to their home countries at the end of “active hostilities,” which could be very soon given the collapse of Taliban resistance in Afghanistan.

An earlier statement by Amnesty International suggested that the mistreatment of Afghan prisoners may itself constitute a war crime: “Any detainee who is suspected of a crime, whether or not they are POWs, must be charged with a criminal offense and tried fairly or released. Denying POWs or other people protected by the Geneva Conventions a fair trial is a war crime.”

Donald Rumsfeld, the US secretary of defense, dismissed the mounting criticism of US treatment of prisoners: “I do not feel even the slightest concern about their treatment. They are being treated vastly better than they treated anybody else.” This characterization is not only arrogant but concedes that the Bush administration’s policy is not based on any objective legal norms.

So weak is the US government’s legal position that the Washington Post published an editorial January 17 under the headline, “Follow the Geneva Convention.” It is remarkable that the principal newspaper in the US capital should find it necessary to advise the US government not to commit war crimes, even if that caution is couched in the most mealy-mouthed terms.

The Post admitted that Rumsfeld does not have a leg to stand on with his argument that the US is “for the most part” observing the Geneva Convention even though the detainees “do not have any rights under the Geneva Convention.”

“That is not the case,” the newspaper said. “The Geneva Convention and other international treaties ratified by the United States give the detainees specific rights, rights that the Bush administration should respect.

“The first right most of the prisoners have is for a hearing by a tribunal to determine whether or not they are prisoners of war. Despite Mr. Rumsfeld’s declaration, detainees cannot as a group be designated unlawful combatants by the secretary of defense; according to most interpretations of the Geneva Convention, in the case of a dispute about status, prisoners must have a hearing before a tribunal.”


Outrage in Europe

In Europe the position of the US government has provoked widespread outrage. British newspapers published photographs of the prisoners at Guantanamo, released by the US Navy, under captions labeling their treatment as “torture.” A columnist for the conservative British newspaper the Daily Mail wrote, “this is a bewildering and shocking experience. Even the SS were treated better than this.” The security chief of the European Union, Javier Solana, called for the detainees to be treated as POWs entitled to the protection of international law.

A US federal judge in Los Angeles agreed to hear a petition filed by the Committee of Clergy, Lawyers and Professors demanding that the US government bring the prisoners before a US court and spell out the charges against them. University of Southern California law professor Erwin Chemerinsky, a leader of the group, said, “These individuals were brought out of their country in shackles, drugged, gagged and blindfolded, and are being held in open-air cages in Cuba. Someone should be asserting their rights under international law.”

There was one significant public defense of the brutal treatment of the prisoners: from Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, the Democratic candidate for vice president in 2000. After a briefing at Central Command headquarters at MacDill Air Force Base in Florida, he told reporters, “I think our military is doing just the right thing in the way they are handling them at Guantanamo. These are violent killers. They are already threatening the American personnel who are there to guard them.”

The US treatment of the Afghan prisoners violates international law in many respects. The US says that it will carry out “intense interrogation” of captured fighters. But Article 17 of the Geneva Convention states, “No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind.”

As a columnist for the Toronto Star wrote, “Those detainees, brought shacked, shaved and blindfolded to Cuba, are kept in chain link pens under the constant glare, night and day, of halogen lamps (The blindfolding, deliberate disorientation, discomfort and constant light are staples of police states all over the world. The idea is to break down the inmate, weaken him from lack of sleep and thereby make him more pliable when the interrogators begin their work.)”


POWs and the Geneva Convention

The Bush administration plan to use secret military tribunals to try captured al Qaeda and Taliban is a further violation of international law. Article 84 of the Geneva Convention stipulates: “In no circumstances whatever shall a prisoner of war be tried by a court of any kind which does not offer the essential guarantees of independence and impartiality as generally recognized, and in particular, the procedure of which does not afford the accused the rights and means of defense provided for in Article 105.”(Right to choose own counsel, right to call witnesses)

Article 102 further enumerates the rights of prisoners of war to a fair trial: “A prisoner of war can be validly sentenced only if the sentence has been pronounced by the same courts according to the same procedures as in the case of members of the armed forces of the Detaining Power.”

And article 107 the Geneva Convention stipulates: “Every prisoner of war shall have, in the same manner as the members of the armed forces of the Detaining Power, the right of appeal or petition from any sentence pronounced upon him, with a view to the quashing or revising of the sentence or the reopening of the trial.”

Under terms of Article 130 grave breaches of international law include “willfully depriving a prisoner of war of the rights of fair and regular trial presented in this convention.”

The housing of prisoners in open-air, chain-link cages six feet by eight feet with concrete floors is both inhuman and a violation of minimum standards set by the Geneva Convention. Article 25 stipulates: “Prisoners of war shall be quartered under conditions as favorable as those for the forces of the Detaining Power who are billeted in the same area....

“The foregoing provisions shall apply in particular to the dormitories of prisoners of war as regards both total surface and minimum cubic space, and the general installations, bedding and blankets.

“The premises provided for the use of prisoners of war individually or collectively shall be entirely protected from dampness and adequately heated and lighted, in particular between dusk and lights out....

The US is violating both terms of the Geneva Convention and the Vienna Convention on Consular Access in holding captives incommunicado and refusing to release their names. Article 70 of the Geneva convention states: “Immediately upon capture, or not more than one week after arrival in camp, even if it is a transit camp ... every prisoner of war shall be enabled to write direct to his family, on the one hand, and to the Central Prisoner of War Agency, on the other hand ... informing his relatives of his capture, address and state of health.”

The Geneva Convention stipulates that all prisoners, regardless of their exact status, be treated humanely.

Article 4 outlines broad terms under which captured belligerents must be considered prisoners of war. These include irregular forces such as “Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps” and “Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or authority not recognized by the detaining powers.”

Article 5 stipulates that disputes over the status of prisoners cannot be unilaterally decided by the Detaining Power but must be arbitrated by third parties: “Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy, belong to any categories enumerated in Article 4, such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal.”

Further, prisoners may not be indefinitely detained following the end of hostilities. Under terms of the Geneva Convention those held must be either repatriated or charged with specific crimes.

The Bush administration actions violate even official US military policy. According to Army regulations, “Leaders and soldiers must be knowledgeable of the Geneva and Hague conventions, applicable protocols, AR (Army Regulations) and US laws.”

“The US policy demands that all persons who are captured, detained, or held by US forces during conflict be treated humanely. This policy applies from the moment captives are taken until they are released, repatriated or transferred.”

A 1994 Department of Defense document on the treatment of prisoner of war states: “It is DoD policy that: 1 The U.S. Military Services shall comply with the principles, spirit, and intent of the international law of war, both customary and codified, to include the Geneva Conventions.”


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I am not a guy for starters...

Sorry. I refuse to take any responsibility for that. Good luck to you.


I can do without your impressive list of accolades. ...

You are the one who assailed my knowledge on the subject.



... If you have something of substance to impart then do so, if not spare me insolent replies!

Insolent ? :rollseyes You aren't Queen of something, are you?

Don't you mean "something of substance that agrees with me"? I wish they would just label a thread as "echo chamber only" if divergent opinion is not permitted.
 
p.s.. I love that bit about U.S saving Bosnian Muslims... that is why entire villages were torched down.. where was the U.S at the massacre at Srebrenica......
so please save me the phony bologna, of how you have come to save the day

The US wasn't at Srebenica. That is my point. That was a typically naive and weak UN mission. The Dutch troops just working under UN rules just handed over the Bosnian Muslims to be slaughtered by the Serbs.

It took the US to finally do something definitive. That the situation there is not perfect only shows the difficulty of unraveling a genocidal war half way through. Where were the great Muslim Armies to save the Bosnian Muslims? There weren't any. It fell to the US.

This kind of BS is why there will be no US military intervention in Darfur. There will be no US intervention in Chechnya either. There will be diplomatic pressure, new nations admitted to NATO, but that is it. The Europeans won't do anything vigorous either because they need Russian natural gas.
 
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