Jizya in Islam

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Sunnih said:
You have just shown that your knowledge of Islam is pure ignorance and that you do not have the slightest idea of what islam really is. You have no Idea as to what is allowed and what is not in Islam. But then, you only know what media feeds you.
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So Im wrong that Muslim's have been taking western concepts on board for many many years?
Or i'm wrong that there is growing anger about this?

The media I read is Arab Media mainly.

But thanks for the Nahh,nahh,nahh response which just throws insults instead of refutations.

Purest; I stand visually corrected on lenses, well actually I dont, just the Arab who cursed the frankish devices. Mayby the Byzantines made them for him. Pfft, it was hundreds of years ago, who knows.
But I'm not certain that, just because a Muslim made the first lenses, that the powerhouse of Muslim driven technology and learning is today, so laughably better than western sciences.

The fact remains that when the West seperated state from religion, we progressed. Why is that so hard to swallow?
 
barney said:
So Im wrong that Muslim's have been taking western concepts on board for many many years?
Or i'm wrong that there is growing anger about this?

The media I read is Arab Media mainly.

But thanks for the Nahh,nahh,nahh response which just throws insults instead of refutations.

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The fact remains that when the West seperated state from religion, we progressed. Why is that so hard to swallow?
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I know that you do know better than that. It is just convenient for you to bypass the subject altogether.

As for: The fact remains that when the West seperated state from religion, we progressed. Why is that so hard to swallow?

You have not proven that the progress was because of the separation. World progresses as it goes through time (if by progress you mean the scientific and material developement). If you have in mind the persecution of the scientists and the inquisition - The only thing I can say is: Hello! I am not a Christian so you are barking to the wrong tree.
 
You have not proven that the progress was because of the separation.
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Of course there is no PROOF! Da. Do we go back in time, rejoin church and state to see how it works out?

In Europe they stoped most of the war and killing each other because of religion. Less war, more progress.

It isn't too tough to work out.
 
wilberhum said:
Of course there is no PROOF! Da. Do we go back in time, rejoin church and state to see how it works out?

In Europe they stoped most of the war and killing each other because of religion. Less war, more progress.

It isn't too tough to work out.
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Now you are definitely barking to the wrong tree. I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN.

As for going back, you do believe that religion was "invented". How about going back to the "developement" of mankind before religion even was born ( of course from your prospective). Or do you sugest that when man was a monkey (as the "progresists" believe) was very advanced and as soon as the religion was "brought about" it went backward? :omg:
 
Sunnih said:
Now you are definitely barking to the wrong tree. I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN.

As for going back, you do believe that religion was "invented". How about going back to the "developement" of mankind before religion even was born ( of course from your prospective). Or do you sugest that when man was a monkey (as the "progresists" believe) was very advanced and as soon as the religion was "brought about" it went backward? :omg:
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When did I ever say you were a Christion? You need to look back. Da :?
You nicely confirm how stupid a request for Proof was. :thumbs_up
"monkey"? More clues to your cluelessness. :?
 
wilberhum said:
When did I ever say you were a Christion? You need to look back. Da :?
You nicely confirm how stupid a request for Proof was. :thumbs_up
"monkey"? More clues to your cluelessness. :?
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You mention church and state. That is why I said so.

No. You just showed to everyone how ludicrous your statement has been:D

As for: "monkey"? More clues to your cluelessness

This just shows that discussing with you on these matters any further would be a waste of breath (in this case, a waste of typing).

Your ultimate knowledge is now presented to all. :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
 
barney said:
Purest; I stand visually corrected on lenses, well actually I dont, just the Arab who cursed the frankish devices. Mayby the Byzantines made them for him. Pfft, it was hundreds of years ago, who knows.
But I'm not certain that, just because a Muslim made the first lenses, that the powerhouse of Muslim driven technology and learning is today, so laughably better than western sciences.

The fact remains that when the West seperated state from religion, we progressed. Why is that so hard to swallow?
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You need to read a few history books, then we can have this discussion... & I'd like a name to go with that "****" especially when it was as you say so many centuries ago when Islam was at its peak. I don't take words at face value, least of which when they come from you ( I don't learn from you, I am not even mildly amused anymore)-- Islam laid the foundation, you'd think you'd show some gratitude?... if the world has seen the mountains it was because they stood on the shoulders of giants.. so they grab hold of the high peaks and let go of the shoulders?.. we all know things that have no legs with collapse in the long run.

why are some things so hard to swallow? I don't know.. Why can't a bezoar be digested? simple---it doesn't belong there. So stop insinuating BS!
Get out of your bubble go travel, it might do you some good... as it stands you bore me!

in closure I believe this quote applies to you

“Those who visit foreign nations,/but who associate only with their own countrymen,/change their climate, but not their customs;/ they see new meridians, but the same men;/and with heads as empty as their pockets,/ return home with traveled bodies, but untraveled minds.” -Colton
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peace!
 
Addendum.. When we let go of religion we went backwards.. our state of affairs are quite the converse from the west-- under the Muslim empire we stood strong... whatever applies to the west doesn't apply to the east, we had something that worked and let it go, you had something that didn't and let it go. Current situation is enough of a testament to that!
--If the east didn't have all the civility and charm, your little colonialist island wouldn't have been after its wealth.


Peace!
 
Sunnih said:
I would come back to discuss with you when you grow wiser rather.
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Maybe I could post 20 smilies to show how mature I am. :skeleton:

Maybe when you get really old, say 22, you will understand.

But I doubt it. :-[
 
wilberhum said:
Maybe I could post 20 smilies to show how mature I am. :skeleton:

Maybe when you get really old, say 22, you will understand.

But I doubt it. :-[
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You only confirm what I said. You do need to get wiser indeed.

Let me give you a piece of advice: Wisdom is not caracterised by age, nor is age the condition for wisdom. You may grow old but not necessary wise.:omg:
 

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