A fictitious account dedicated to my violated sisters in Kashmir.

[- Qatada -]

Hey Cognescenti.


Maybe this story wouldn't be written, if these certain 'hindus' never did these horrendous acts.



Regards.

 

[Cognescenti]

Hey Cognescenti.


Maybe this story wouldn't be written, if these certain 'hindus' never did these horrendous acts.



Regards.

Perhaps not. Of course, the real stories might be missing the dramatic artifice of the bastad warrior avenging the shame by killing his own "kin"

 

[جوري]

Ah, is that how it works? :rollseyes

Here is a forum sticky from the header:

There have been increasing numbers of complaints from certain Jewish members who feel victimised in this section. All forum participants are reminded that victimising entire groups of people based on their religion, ethnicity, nationality or otherwise has no place in Islam or the rest of civilised society for that matter. If you must disagree, please do so respectfully - do not resort to insults. Such juvenile and asinine behaviour will not be tolerated.

Members are also urged to report such posts.


Substitute "Hindu" for "Jew" and get back to us. Perhaps there could be some kind of warning like "Kuffar keep out/echo test in progress" on the title of the thread?

Yes, that is how it works sometimes. You seem to draw satisfaction out of simplistic conclusion, to the point where you even deny people their feelings of hurt of oppression.. everyone is free to express themselves as they please, and if you really don't like it --tough, not everyone conforms to your ideas, or has your experience, and like wise you haven't shared in theirs, what shapes our views of the world are impressions and experiences we've lived. how can you relate to a young raped Muslim woman? You can't, Even if you show empathy, which I haven't known one of you to do around here, you can't really know what it means or feels. ..

I know there is a thousand blog out there to echo your voice, and at those borders it won't be the voice of dissent! Just browsing through your previous posts, on this thread alone, with the whole "impressionable" young Muslim bit.. what is that sweeping generalization? by that token every teenaged American should be sex crazed and violent considering the amount of sex and violence on practically every show. Get a grip please!

 

[Cognescenti]

Yes, that is how it works sometimes. You seem to draw satisfaction out of simplistic conclusion, to the point where you even deny people their feelings of hurt of oppression.. everyone is free to express themselves as they please, and if you really don't like it --tough, not everyone conforms to your ideas, or has your experience, and like wise you haven't shared in theirs, what shapes our views of the world are impressions and experiences we've lived. how can you relate to a young raped Muslim woman? You can't, Even if you show empathy, which I haven't known one of you to do around here, you can't really know what it means or feels. ..

Good grief. You seem to have missed the point that Suomi borught up and I have repeated....the story is fictional. I am not here to apologize for the evil deeds of the Indian Army. I am sure there are many being terribly oppressed in Kashmir.

I know there is a thousand blog out there to echo your voice, and at those borders it won't be the voice of dissent! Just browsing through your previous posts, on this thread alone, with the whole "impressionable" young Muslim bit.. what is that sweeping generalization? by that token every teenaged American should be sex crazed and violent considering the amount of sex and violence on practically every show. Get a grip please!

I made no such generalization about Muslims. That is the point of the adjective "impressionable". It is to distinguish the "impressionable young Muslim" from the young Muslim who is not impressionable. Honestly, I think you are just looking for a fight.

I was having an adult, civilized, respectful conversation with Fi_Sabilillah about his post. If he wants to get rid of me, I am pretty sure he can do it.

 

[NoName55]

Substitute "Hindu" for "Jew" and get back to us. Perhaps there could be some kind of warning like "Kuffar keep out/echo test in progress" on the title of the thread?

I make distinction between kafar and Jew For Jew is of the Ahl al-kitaab. universal Jew does not punish Muslims by by death for as little as eating beef nor does he say convert to Judaism or die.

Whereas your friend the swastika worshipping hindu (claims descent from some master race called Aryan) has no qualms in killing inferior castes and religion.

BTW before some know it all tries to lecture me about Palestine, Please desist for I am well aware.

 

[جوري]

Good grief. You seem to have missed the point that Suomi borught up and I have repeated....the story is fictional. I am not here to apologize for the evil deeds of the Indian Army. I am sure there are many being terribly oppressed in Kashmir.



I made no such generalization about Muslims. That is the point of the adjective "impressionable". It is to distinguish the "impressionable young Muslim" from the young Muslim who is not impressionable. Honestly, I think you are just looking for a fight.

I was having an adult, civilized, respectful conversation with Fi_Sabilillah about his post. If he wants to get rid of me, I am pretty sure he can do it.

A fictional story as a proto-type.. I notice it had a happy ending.. they don't always end up as such!

Impressionable young Muslims don't tend to spend their time jerking tears over a fictional story on some Internet blog. Perhaps you just have an over active imagination? ... Sometimes I feel you all engage in vain discourse just for the sake of it? Something could be as innocuous as a sterile fomite and you'll find away to tarnish it. Just learn to let things go sometimes.

You need not sensor everything so it would be suitable for viewing a la mode of FOX news. It just comes across as hypocritical. Learn to control the things that you can, and those you can't just learn to live with it, if you can't live with it, it is easy to enlist in bush's army..
Sometimes your views serve to echo paradoxical notions than those you wish to be conveyed in your readers... it is a law of physics if nothing else!
This is all I have to say on this subject.

peace!

 

[NoName55]

A fictitionalised account dedicated to my violated sisters in Kashmir.

the story is fictional.

A fictitionalised account would be more accurate for I am thinking it may be a typo

watch the british channel 4 (not a muslim channel) documetary on subject of true terrorist in Kashmir

 

[Cognescenti]

A fictional story as a proto-type.. I notice it had a happy ending.. they don't always end up as such!

The ending was a young man killing people :?

You need not sensor everything so it would be suitable for viewing a la mode of FOX news.[ /QUOTE]

Speaking of generalizations....don't watch FoxNews..not a bad gag however.

Cheers

 

[جوري]

I believe you have a skewed sense of justice...
unfortunately in the real world, justice isn't always served, we rather look for a poetic one. I don't recall the "factious story" stating non-other than the young man and I quote

was now inflicting so much damage upon the very army that had fathered him.

I don't see a random rampage of civilians, do you? I am not sure where an impressionable young Muslim is urged to go doing exactly what the Hindus are doing to young Muslim women do you? Maybe the scintillating scotoma are playing tricks on your eyes? It is so funny really.. sort of like invading people's countries and complaining about beheading and suicide bombing, it makes me laugh heartily... what were you expecting, dinner and a movie? tea at 5 perhaps?

I don't want to keep at it tit for tat with you... I despise this section and the hypocrites who frequent it.. so let's call it a day!

 

[islamirama]

Kashmir - Video

 

[Suomipoika]

I think you don't understand, i'm using the logic of the media here. To show you how powerful they are in their propaganda.

Isn't it ironic that when a muslim woman wears the veil she is oppressed? But when a nun wears hers she's 'pious'? Or when a muslim man grows a beard he's an extremist, but when a jewish one does he's practising his religion? Or when a person does an attack [which goes against Islamic teachings] he is an islamic extremist, but when someone kills innocents (and it's part of their religion!) - they are just freedom fighters?


Do you now see the irony?

I dont see any irony, because no media outlet in their right mind uses that sort of logic. If anything we are constantly bombarded with information how its wrong to label someone based on their religion, gender, ethnicity, sexual preferences, how they dress and that actions of some should not be used to label a hole group.

The real irony I see in your post is that you treat the media the sameway you claim and complain them to be treating you, and what you identify with. You cover all of media outlets, under blanket statements and generalisations, undoubtedly there are racist and purely propaganda spreading media outlets, but same as with people, its pretty silly to make judgements based on some and claim, all media acts this way. Blaming the media is getting pretty old anyway.

But in all honesty, I dont even see how actions of any media justifies the following on these forums:
Add the information that the perpetrator is muslim, surge of complaints.
Add the information that the perpetrator is hindu, good story. (and okay because the people doing that cant think of a better label)

So far my perception in this thread is, that as long as its not my religion, its okay to label all people of a religion.

 

[ashara]

Greetings,

I do not claim to fully understand both sides of the picture here, but i think it would be good to focus on the few things:
- the story is a message of hope, not because of the ending. What seem lost here is the young womans' strength to bear a child born out of hate, and still manage to love him. The womans' father who embraced his daughter and his grandson although the child's father is unknown. The neighbours who did not condemn her - but "whispered symphaties". It is a message of hope and love and most importantly the Mercy of God - one may have to face very difficult tests but must never forget the Mercy of God and be grateful for the strength given by God in difficult times. It's also a message to persevere despite hardship and not lose faith and make hasty decisions for she had to constantly endure the nightmares and fear. Instead of lamenting her fate, she performed rituals to get closer to Allah and hoped that she would have the heart to love her child.

It's not a real story - but a story serves the purpose of highlighting certain issues and more importantly reminders such as to be patient and persevere.

As for labeling, as this is fictional, perhaps what could have been done is to say "the men from the opposing army" or anything like that. Those who know the suffering and understand the current situation in Kashmir will know who they are, and those who don't really understand will not be offended by what they think is a slur or offending remark to a person of another religious faith. If a real story is highlighted, then the religion can be stated with an explanation of how the unrest in Kashmir is actually about the muslim's right to religious freedom, or whatever the actual problem is. Hopefully, when more people understand, the world will wake up and help those who are oppressed. Who knows, maybe the soldiers' own countrymen will protest en masse to remind their soldiers to behave with the honor required of them.
(in my country not much is said - if at all about this. We know there is unrest but that's all. it's as if there is nothing going there )

as for the ending, all i can say is, the child grew up (in this story) hating the opposition. A child who can only understand his mothers' and villagers suffering (and hate, unfortunately) can only see that a change is needed, even if it means opposing the man who fathered him. It's actually frightening to think of the real "children of war" in Palestine and Kashmir who have only understood oppression and seen their homes and families destroyed. One can only hope and pray that God will give peace and serenity in their hearts and strength to defend with honour and not blind rage. Justice is a virtue, but not when coloured by emotions that are out of control. a muslim is oft reminded of the Mercy of God so tat he/she can stand for his rights and yet step carefully so that he/she does not end up among those who transgress and receive the wrath of God. May we remind ourselves of that when we see the world tearing apart.

forgive me if i've offended anyone. What is good comes from God, and what is bad comes from my own weakness.

-peace-

 

[- Qatada -]

I dont see any irony, because no media outlet in their right mind uses that sort of logic. If anything we are constantly bombarded with information how its wrong to label someone based on their religion, gender, ethnicity, sexual preferences, how they dress and that actions of some should not be used to label a hole group.

That's exactly what i've been saying the whole time.

The real irony I see in your post is that you treat the media the sameway you claim and complain them to be treating you, and what you identify with. You cover all of media outlets, under blanket statements and generalisations, undoubtedly there are racist and purely propaganda spreading media outlets, but same as with people, its pretty silly to make judgements based on some and claim, all media acts this way. Blaming the media is getting pretty old anyway.

I think you don't understand why i spoke like i did, i was showing the double standards of the media. Then i portrayed it the way they do, NOT to say that a whole group of people are evil - but to portray to you how the media is so powerful in portraying Islaam as something evil just because of the actions of a minority.

Do you understand what i'm trying to say now? I'm not saying ALL hindus are evil, infact you should know by our previous discussions that i've said that not all are. [I usually even tell people to look at the religious scripture, not the actual 'followers'.] I just wanted to make it clear to you that this is exactly what is happening within Kashmir, and how the people there also misquote Islaam (to portray it as evil) and use their religion to push people into harming innocents.

But in all honesty, I dont even see how actions of any media justifies the following on these forums:
Add the information that the perpetrator is muslim, surge of complaints.
Add the information that the perpetrator is hindu, good story. (and okay because the people doing that cant think of a better label)

So far my perception in this thread is, that as long as its not my religion, its okay to label all people of a religion.

I've explained this above, inshaa Allaah (God willing.)

 

[Cognescenti]

I make distinction between kafar and Jew For Jew is of the Ahl al-kitaab. universal Jew does not punish Muslims by by death for as little as eating beef nor does he say convert to Judaism or die.

Whereas your friend the swastika worshipping hindu (claims descent from some master race called Aryan) has no qualms in killing inferior castes and religion.

BTW before some know it all tries to lecture me about Palestine, Please desist for I am well aware.

I don't suppose you are generalizing to some degree are you? "Swastika-worshiping Hindu"? :?

Do you want to talk about which ethnic group in the ME really did historically support the Nazis? :X

 

[NoName55]

If you were not a [censored] who butts into any and everything, then I might tell you that swastika to hindu is as sacred as crucifix is to a Trinitarian Christian.

And no, I don't need any history lesson from a [censored] for I have an M.A in history.

I don't need to to be told by likes of you, as to which Palestinian or "Muslim state" had a relationship with hitler or Nazis 60+ years ago for I am concerned about reality of today.

[MOD Note] No fighting, namecalling, mudslinging etc please [ Last edited by Muezzin : at 03:56 PM.]

 

[Islamicboy]

I am not surprised this takes place in India and Pakistan. Because the scholar over there teach more love for the country then Islam. They use the same hadeeth which some scholars said is weak to justify there goal. There are many muslims in Indian army but they are too nationlist. This one muslim in Indian army who is HERO of indian muslims who they talk about everyday with respect did sucide attack on muslims. The reason for him doing this sucide attack was because hindus were saying muslims dont love this country as much and were attacking muslims so to please the extremist hindus this muslim blew himself up. Even worse in many parts of india and many scholars in india praise his actions. Besides that muslims are very divided in India its a must for everyone over there to follow one sect and hate all the other sects. If you claim to be just muslim you are looked down upon as something strange. That only half of muslims population in India the rest is in the secular reformist movement. A women who wears Hijab in India is looked down upon as something dirty a man who grows a beard is accused of not having any education thus he went to religion. Indian muslims are very backward kaffir following people. Not all Indian muslims are bad there are some good in them.

 

[Cognescenti]

If you were not a [censored] who butts into any and everything, then I might tell you that swastika to hindu is as sacred as crucifix is to a Trinitarian Christian.

And no, I don't need any history lesson from a [censored] for I have an M.A in history.

I don't need to to be told by likes of you, as to which Palestinian or "Muslim state" had a relationship with hitler or Nazis 60+ years ago for I am concerned about reality of today.

[MOD Note] No fighting, namecalling, mudslinging etc please [ Last edited by Muezzin : at 03:56 PM.]

Sir;

I think we both know Nazi symbols were appropriated from previous cultures. That doesn't make Hindus Nazi-affiliates as you implied. While we are at it, I don't think the eugenecists of the Third Reich meant the "Indo-Aryans" when they were referring to the "master race"

As for demonization over the lower castes and intolerance of other religions, you are probably right about that. I am truly sorry for having briefly interfered with the Hindu-bashing party. I can see I am not welcome. TTFN

 

[islamirama]

Sir;

I think we both know Nazi symbols were appropriated from previous cultures. That doesn't make Hindus Nazi-affiliates as you implied. While we are at it, I don't think the eugenecists of the Third Reich meant the "Indo-Aryans" when they were referring to the "master race"

As for demonization over the lower castes and intolerance of other religions, you are probably right about that. I am truly sorry for having briefly interfered with the Hindu-bashing party. I can see I am not welcome. TTFN

The hindu extremist party BJP is like the KKK, they want every non-hindu dead, whether they be sikhs, muslims or christians

 

[Islamicboy]

The hindu extremist party BJP is like the KKK, they want every non-hindu dead, whether they be sikhs, muslims or christians

Hindu extremist want to even kill hindus the lower caste thats why so many lower cast hindus become muslims or budhist

 

[islamirama]

Hindu extremist want to even kill hindus the lower caste thats why so many lower cast hindus become muslims or budhist

True, i was about to put that in my statement also but didn't. I have a news article of this one town of low caste hindus, where the whole town converted to another hindu modified religion where they are treated equally and better than hindus. And then there was also another town where the whole town turned Muslim hit being sick of being treated like trash and subhumans by hindus.