Singularity of Allah(swt) in the Qur'an

[Balthasar21]

Re: Why is there Distrust between Christians, Jews and Muslims?

there is no my god ,your god, there is only Allah

They're more then one Allah according your own Quraan maybe you miss it .

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Why is there Distrust between Christians, Jews and Muslims?

They're more then one Allah according your own Quraan maybe you miss it .

It is nice to know you are more familiar with Islam than Muslims are. I will keep you in mind next time I seek guidance from an Islamic scholar.


That which you feel in the air is called sarcasm, in case my comment passed over you.

You claim the Qur'an says there is more than One Allah(swt) please provide the Surah and Ayyat in which that is stated.

 

[Balthasar21]

Re: Why is there Distrust between Christians, Jews and Muslims?

It is nice to know you are more familiar with Islam than Muslims are. I will keep you in mind next time I seek guidance from an Islamic scholar.


That which you feel in the air is called sarcasm, in case my comment passed over you.

You claim the Qur'an says there is more than One Allah(swt) please provide the Surah and Ayyat in which that is stated.

First I Have Never Claim To Be A Islamic Scholar Nor A Christian Scholar Nor Have I Claim To Know EveryThing About Religion . Nor Am I Here To Convert Anyone Here OverStand , Funny How A Few Muslims Here Are Up-Set With Me Because I Know There Scripture And They Don't .


You speak of sarcasm I can say thing about few muslims here but hey I don't have thin skin . I can give as well take it . But they will get a free pass because they are muslim


I never claim the Quraan Says this or that I Give you the verse and you can read it for yourself . Now if you Interpreted it another way hey no big thing .



Allahumma <> 3 ; 26 , 5 ; 114 , 8 ; 32 , 10 ; 10 , 39 ; 46 .

The word Allahumma mean '' O Allah . The Source - and Hum '' They - The Eloheem Anunnaqis , Allahumma is another word that was derived from The Hebrew word , Eloheem , Meaning '' These Beings Or A Group Of Elohs '' Allahumma or Eloheems are angels of El or messenger of El - Anu . Usually in The Koran when it says , '' That We Did This Or We Created This , Or Our Signs , Etc '' It is referring to these Allahumma or Eloheem , Anunnaqis . They are Physical Angelic Beings ; Not Spooks or Spirits or Ghost .


They are beings that do the work of El , or Allah . The word Allahumma or Eloheems is found throughout The Scroll of The Koran , And is Falsely Translated As A Single , With the word '' God ' , The name Allahumma or Eloheems is used for Benevolent , Agreeable and Malevolent , Disagreeable Beings ,

And Even In The Case For Human Beings , As Found In Exodus 7 ; 1 When Yahuwa Made Moses And Eloheem To Pharaoh Rameses ll

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Why is there Distrust between Christians, Jews and Muslims?

First I Have Never Claim To Be A Islamic Scholar Nor A Christian Scholar Nor Have I Claim To Know EveryThing About Religion . Nor Am I Here To Convert Anyone Here OverStand , Funny How A Few Muslims Here Are Up-Set With Me Because I Know There Scripture And They Don't .


You speak of sarcasm I can say thing about few muslims here but hey I don't have thin skin . I can give as well take it . But they will get a free pass because they are muslim


I never claim the Quraan Says this or that I Give you the verse and you can read it for yourself . Now if you Interpreted it another way hey no big thing .



Allahumma <> 3 ; 26 , 5 ; 114 , 8 ; 32 , 10 ; 10 , 39 ; 46 .

The word Allahumma mean '' O Allah . The Source - and Hum '' They - The Eloheem Anunnaqis , Allahumma is another word that was derived from The Hebrew word , Eloheem , Meaning '' These Beings Or A Group Of Elohs '' Allahumma or Eloheems are angels of El or messenger of El - Anu . Usually in The Koran when it says , '' That We Did This Or We Created This , Or Our Signs , Etc '' It is referring to these Allahumma or Eloheem , Anunnaqis . They are Physical Angelic Beings ; Not Spooks or Spirits or Ghost .


They are beings that do the work of El , or Allah . The word Allahumma or Eloheems is found throughout The Scroll of The Koran , And is Falsely Translated As A Single , With the word '' God ' , The name Allahumma or Eloheems is used for Benevolent , Agreeable and Malevolent , Disagreeable Beings ,

And Even In The Case For Human Beings , As Found In Exodus 7 ; 1 When Yahuwa Made Moses And Eloheem To Pharaoh Rameses ll

I am quite curious now as to where you are getting those translations from. Arabic grammar is quite interesting and plurality is denoted by some very distinct grammatical rules.

Typicaly to denote pluarlity the letter wa is added into the root word. For example dar meaning house becomes dooar meaning houses or village with the addition of wa.

Alahumma is grammaticaly a singularity.

 

[Balthasar21]

Re: Why is there Distrust between Christians, Jews and Muslims?

I am quite curious now as to where you are getting those translations from. Arabic grammar is quite interesting and plurality is denoted by some very distinct grammatical rules.

Typicaly to denote pluarlity the letter wa is added into the root word. For example dar meaning house becomes dooar meaning houses or village with the addition of wa.

Alahumma is grammaticaly a singularity.

2 ; 45. Nay, seek ((Allah)'s) help with patient perseverance and prayer: It is indeed hard, except to those who bring a lowly spirit,-


Justs a question when ( Allah's) spell like this is it Singlar .

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Why is there Distrust between Christians, Jews and Muslims?

2 ; 45. Nay, seek ((Allah)'s) help with patient perseverance and prayer: It is indeed hard, except to those who bring a lowly spirit,-


Justs a question when ( Allah's) spell like this is it Singlar .

To begin with in 2:45 The name Allah(swt) is not spelled out.

The actual literal translation is:

Nay, seek my help with patient perserverence and prayer:
It is indeed hard to those who are humble.

The transliteration of the Arabic is:

Wasta-iinuu bis-Sabre was-salaah:
wa 'innahaa lakabil-ratun 'ilaa 'alal-Khasshi-'iin.

Bis-sabre is a singularity best translated as meaning My Help. Most translators interpret that to mean the Help of Allah (Allah's Help) For it to be a pluarality or mean our help, it would be sabroot(or similar) instead of Sabre.

 

[Balthasar21]

Re: Why is there Distrust between Christians, Jews and Muslims?

To begin with in 2:45 The name Allah(swt) is not spelled out.

The actual literal translation is:

Nay, seek my help with patient perserverence and prayer:
It is indeed hard to those who are humble.

The transliteration of the Arabic is:

Wasta-iinuu bis-Sabre was-salaah:
wa 'innahaa lakabil-ratun 'ilaa 'alal-Khasshi-'iin.

Bis-sabre is a singularity best translated as meaning My Help. Most translators interpret that to mean the Help of Allah (Allah's Help) For it to be a pluarality or mean our help, it would be sabroot(or similar) instead of Sabre.

So your answer is No Yes ?

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Why is there Distrust between Christians, Jews and Muslims?

So your answer is No Yes ?

since Allah(swt) is not even written in that ayyat my answer is a flat YES. Sabre (my Help) is a singularity.

By the way because of the grammatical composistion of the Arabic spelling of Allah it is impossible to write it as a gender or as a plurality and still be proper Arabic. The reason Allah(swt) is often referred to as He is because He is the Arabic default when gender is not noted.

 

[Walter]

Re: Why is there Distrust between Christians, Jews and Muslims?

It is nice to know you are more familiar with Islam than Muslims are. I will keep you in mind next time I seek guidance from an Islamic scholar.


That which you feel in the air is called sarcasm, in case my comment passed over you.

You claim the Qur'an says there is more than One Allah(swt) please provide the Surah and Ayyat in which that is stated.

This is a very interesting off topic challenge. Why not start a new thread - please?

Regards,
Grenville

 

[جوري]

Re: Why is there Distrust between Christians, Jews and Muslims?

I am quite curious now as to where you are getting those translations from. Arabic grammar is quite interesting and plurality is denoted by some very distinct grammatical rules.

Typicaly to denote pluarlity the letter wa is added into the root word. For example dar meaning house becomes dooar meaning houses or village with the addition of wa.

Alahumma is grammaticaly a singularity.

Don't bother with this guy.. a dictionary is available online I have provided it more than once.. will enclose it again... go ahead and stick
اللَّهُمَّ from

قُلِ اللَّهُمَّ مَالِكَ الْمُلْكِ تُؤْتِي الْمُلْكَ مَن تَشَاء وَتَنزِعُ الْمُلْكَ مِمَّن تَشَاء وَتُعِزُّ مَن تَشَاء وَتُذِلُّ مَن تَشَاء بِيَدِكَ الْخَيْرُ إِنَّكَ عَلَىَ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ {26}​

[Pickthal 3:26] Say: O Allah! Owner of Sovereignty! Thou givest sovereignty unto whom Thou wilt, and Thou withdrawest sovereignty from whom Thou wilt. Thou exaltest whom Thou wilt, and Thou abasest whom Thou wilt. In Thy hand is the good. Lo! Thou art Able to do all things.


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into the dictionary link provided, and see what comes up. cut and paste that word highlighted to you in red, into the Arabic dictionary provided at the bottom of this post-- I can't think of anything worse than blatant callous ignorance!
I don't even bother address him anymore akhi I am not sure why you do?... there is a willingness to learn and it is obvious in the nature of the questions, and there is ignorance laced with condescension and that need not be honored with a reply!


Arabic - English
اللَّهُمَّ اســــــــــــم صِيغَةٌ دُعَائِيَّة

Allhouma "ism saygha dua3'eya" Maybe belthsar can find a cut and paste for what "ism saygha dua3'eya means in on of his numerous ready unsourced clips?

Allhouma is no different that stating oh Allah, you can see from the term I used which you will also find in the dictionary upon entering the word Allhouma that there is a "dua'a" in du3a'ya, surely you akhi can understand what that means.. Instead of saying it in two words "to call upon" you use one (oh Allah) or Allhouma?.. as usual on word, right on target, eloquent as is the language of the noble Quran, and a word delivers!


Dictionaries - القواميس

Arabic - English
اللَّهُمَّ اســــــــــــم صِيغَةٌ دُعَائِيَّة O God! , O Lord!



pls tell me, are you seeing oh G-Ds or Lords?
Sakhr Arabic dictionary

this is becoming a bore!

 

[Balthasar21]

One thing is forsure The Prophet Muhammad ( Didn't ) read or write the English language . It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to know that with the many form of Arabic and the many Dialect's / Translation one lose the true meaning of the Arabic words , Not only that with the many diffrent / Sect
Schools of though all claiming their Translation is the right Translation .
( Food For Though ) . How can one have the true Overstanding of a scripture , When it wasn't written in the English language , Duhhhhh English is the '' Whisperer language ''

 

[Woodrow]

One thing is forsure The Prophet Muhammad ( Didn't ) read or write the English language . It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to know that with the many form of Arabic and the many Dialect's / Translation one lose the true meaning of the Arabic words , Not only that with the many diffrent / Sect
Schools of though all claiming their Translation is the right Translation .
( Food For Though ) . How can one have the true Overstanding of a scripture , When it wasn't written in the English language , Duhhhhh English is the '' Whisperer language ''

No Muslims considers a translation as the Qur'an. We do not believe that any translation is the Qur'an. The Qur'an is only written in Arabic. Arabic does not translate well into any language. All Muslims strive to learn Arabic so they can read the Qur'an.

Those that do not read Qur'anic Arabic will use a translation as a guide to get some familiarity, but no Muslim would ever say that a translation is free from error. We consider all translations to be in error. There are simply a tool to help guide us until we do become proficient in Qur'anic Arabic.

 

[جوري]

No Muslims considers a translation as the Qur'an. We do not believe that any translation is the Qur'an. The Qur'an is only written in Arabic. Arabic does not translate well into any language. All Muslims strive to learn Arabic so they can read the Qur'an.

Those that do not read Qur'anic Arabic will use a translation as a guide to get some familiarity, but no Muslim would ever say that a translation is free from error. We consider all translations to be in error. There are simply a tool to help guide us until we do become proficient in Qur'anic Arabic.

Just a note akhi.. there aren't many different forms of Arabic, there is the written Arabic which is the language of the Quran, and it is the epitome of grammatical correctness, and there are of course spoken Arabic, in its essence is something that can be understood by those who speak Arabic. When you are learning English, you will learn proper English I hope? when I was in E.S.L, I learned English the proper way, I didn't learn words like gonna, or shoulda at least not from the books!.. an example in Arabic--for instance in Egypt, the dialect is made so folks always substitute G like in George for a G like in good, yet everyone understands what that means even if in your dialect you speak a deranged form of Arabic, when reading the Quran or writing you'd do it in proper form.. in Lebanon someone might say "shu" , in Egypt someone might say "eh dah", to denote what is that?, again those who speak Arabic can understand each other, even if it isn't proper Arabic which in this case would be "Ma hazha" and that would be as is in the Quran, i.e. proper Arabic, I don't speak three different Arabics or four or five, but all of us Arabs can understand each other, the same way you can understand British English as well as American English, the same way someone from Iowa can understand someone from NY... It is really not a big conundrum, unless you are in desperate need of a book deal and we all know the best way to make a good living is to malign anything Islamic. But I suggest when people do that, they publish it on websites where other ignorant would buy and agree with it!

 

[Balthasar21]

Their must be few schools of though here because their many diffrent definition for words here , Could this be the reson why their so many diffrent story's being told here .

 

[جوري]

Their must be few schools of though

What is school of "though"?

here because their many diffrent definition for words here

,
who is the "their" you speak of?

Could this be the reson why their so many diffrent story's being told here .

What is "reson"? and whose' "story's" are you speaking of? We really don't understand you.. perhaps you can be less cryptic...

 

[Balthasar21]

What is school of "though"?
,
who is the "their" you speak of?


What is "reson"? and whose' "story's" are you speaking of? We really don't understand you.. perhaps you can be less cryptic...

I'm not wasteing my time on a spoil brat , Who think she knows Islam because she read a few books , Now I know your going to take this as a insult but it not , Personally you know nothing about Islam , And I do mean nothing . You have as much knowledge of Islam as and Eye Of A Needle . Your looking for people to agree with you. I'm not here to feed your Ego . Overstand .

I Would love to tell about the english language and where it comes from ( But they would only remove / delete it )

 

[Balthasar21]

Can someone give me the Overstanding of the word '' Huwa '' beside PurestAmbrosia,

 

[جوري]

I'm not wasteing my time on a spoil brat , Who think she knows Islam because she read a few books , Now I know your going to take this as a insult but it not , Personally you know nothing about Islam , And I do mean nothing . You have as much knowledge of Islam as and Eye Of A Needle . Your looking for people to agree with you. I'm not here to feed your Ego . Overstand .

I Would love to tell about the english language and where it comes from ( But they would only remove / delete it )

lol.. your testimony has sold me.. I know nothing of Islam and I keep proving it!
someone save this fellow from the depth of despair, preferably a non-Arabic speaking non-Muslim with bad grammar, and distorted grip on reality, so he won't find your words so objectionable! ;D

 

[Woodrow]

This is slightly off topic. I am posting this as reference.

The word "Overstand" has been used quite a bit in this thread. Those of us from the older generations and not familiar with todays "Hip-hop culture" have never heard the word. It has yet to become ingrained in the English Language except in some slang references. So far it has not been introduced into any standard dictionaries. however, it is appearing is some of the non-standard dictionaries as slang and it is a word that may or may not become part of the English language.

So far in the slang dictionaries the most common definition is:

The difference between Under and Over standing is the difference between seeing and acting with awareness or blindly playing a role. Understanding does the Job, and maybe even wrote the Business Plan (the person who wrote the business plan may understand how to set up businesses). What distinguishes Over from Under is their awareness of the forces that move things. One who overstands sees power for what it is, but may or may not hold and use power in the obvious sense. One who overstands knows that the business will succeed only if it extracts value from others and so is inherrently predatory. One who overstands this fact may accept it and play anyway or refuse to exploit others.

Overstanding emerged as a word from the global hip hop culture, to help portray the distinction between the understanding that life is difficult and the overstanding that life is more difficult than it need be because it is in the interest of those in power to keep things as they are. Overstanding should help but does not always liberate people.

That is from the "Urban Dictionary". Here is a link to the Urban Dictionary for those who have any need to try to understand modern English slang. But, caution, much modern slang I find to be vulgar, offensive and not suited for small children, men, women and any other Humans.

EDIT: I decided it is best not to post the link

 

[Malaikah]

Can someone give me the Overstanding of the word '' Huwa '' beside PurestAmbrosia,

Huwa means he, assuming we are talking about the same Arabic letters.



Can someone explain to me what Allahumma actually means?? Based on the VERY LITTLE knowledge of Arabic I have, it seems to me that it means 'their Allah'??:-\

In simple language that can be understood by non-arabic experts.