Indonesia: Another Christian Church Attacked In Bandung

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Sinbad said:
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Hmmm, Madza ? Is that not a japanese Car Brand, or something ?


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No matter what country and what religion, a house of God should never be attatcked. This is simply horrible and these people should be punished for that
 
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Wow another slugfest in here too! I love slugfests. Slugfest is where we slug it out, people!

Just chillin' out our burnt up bros. LOLOLOL
 
this may slightly be off topic, but i thought the name of the church was interesting:

Sidang Jemaat Allah church

i wonder how these christians would feel if they heard western christians say Allah is actually a pagan moon God!
 
Sami Zaatari said:
this may slightly be off topic, but i thought the name of the church was interesting:

Sidang Jemaat Allah church
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If it were really Muslims who blew up the church, I think they did it wrong. Very wrong.

Perhaps they should have gathered in front of the signboard instead, point at it and laugh out loud. No, laugh heartily. Even harderr!!

That is sooooOOOooooOOOoo what I would've done.


Or... enter the church in large masses, and do salah jamaah together en masse. If asked why, just say we thought this was masjid. Bam! Straight up gold.

Who says Christians don't know how to make good jokes. Best of all.
 
guyabano said:
well I guess, THESE Christians will think, that THOSE muslims have forgotten already, that ALLAH and GOD are the same ! No?
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I think his point was directed to those Christians missionaries who spread lies about Islam and claim that Allah is some sort of moon God. Rubbish of course. But it sure doesn't help their cause when it turns out that the term Allah is also used by Christian Arabs.

Anyway... some of the attitudes expressed in this thread have been rather disturbing. :rollseyes
 
Muslim Knight said:
Perhaps they should have gathered in front of the signboard instead, point at it and laugh out loud. No, laugh heartily. Even harderr!!
That is sooooOOOooooOOOoo what I would've done.
Or... enter the church in large masses, and do salah jamaah together en masse. If asked why, just say we thought this was masjid. Bam! Straight up gold.
Who says Christians don't know how to make good jokes. Best of all.
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....so so funny to laugh at others people faith.
and this is even better:
Sami Zaatari said:
go worship a lighter, opps i meant fire! :laugh:
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hahahah...almost crying with laughter. Now let's attack another church will have so much more fun



:enough!:
going back to my place before someone will remind me where it is.
 
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One of the difficulties here is we do have members from many nations posting. In order to understand any members intent of what they are saying we need to keep in mind the situations of where they live.

Some of us are fortunate to live in places where People do live in accordance with their faith and there is no ridicule or adverse actions against each other. Some are not so fortunate and there is difficulty in thinking peaceful thoughts of each other. Let us not judge what any say unless we have walked in the shoes they have to wear every day.

The true conflicts need to be directed against misguidance and ignorance. On a forum all we can do is address the issues and refrain from insulting the posters.
 
This is being blown way out of proportion. Nothing was blown up, no one was killed. Muslims simply decided to take the law of their country into their own hands and close down a church consisting of apostates. There is nothing wrong with that, in fact these are noble deeds and I encourage them. In Pakistan, the Lal Masjid authorities are doing the same by taking the laws of Pakistan into their own hands and closing down brothels and immoral music shops. If our governments wont implement the law of the land, than we the ordinary Muslim citizens must take it into our own hands.
 
Talha777 said:
Muslims simply decided to take the law of their country into their own hands and close down a church consisting of apostates.
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Thank you for teaching us about Islam.

Which verse of the Koran says a church cannot consist of apostates?

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Malaikah said:
Anyway... some of the attitudes expressed in this thread have been rather disturbing. :rollseyes
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When's the last time you heard some Muslim brother or sister in this forum telling us to rise up and blow up churches? Insofar that I have been on this forum I have heard none. It is against the spirit of religion to blow up other people's places of worship.

But we do hear someone blows up a church/mosque somewhere in some country and based on how long have the conflict between our two religions been, there is no telling who started first.

duskiness, sorry if you think my joke is offensive. I meant it to lighten the load of the heart by humor, and that humor is aimed at how silly really religious conflicts can be to become violence that spills blood and causes destruction of places of worship.

However, I do agree with Sami and Malaikah. If I may add, here at the eastern side Christian missionaries have come to spread the gospel but they did it by way of deception by substituting terms like "God" (or Tuhan in Malay/Indonesian languages) for Allah in order to confuse the predominantly Muslims here, quickly sell their religion and gain quick followers. Meanwhile, in the West, Christians were busy refuting us Muslims and Islam, saying that Allah is the name of moon god. So which is which?

Hence, the reason of my joke.
 
The difficulty is that people who hear of these events are not the people living there. We do not know who the members of that church were, we do not know how aggressively they may have been trying to spread Christianity, we do not know how they were related to their neighbors.

A Christian Westerner has no concept of what it is like to have your friends, and relatives become apostates and then try to spread their apostasy.

I do not condone the harming of innocent people nor even unnecessarily harming an enemy who is not posing a physical threat. However, I do see the need to silence those who spread false teachings, but I believe that should be done as peacefully as possible.

Would this have made World News if instead of a church it was a Satanic Temple and the people were spreading Satanism? Suppose it had been a Satanic temple, would the Christian world still be condemning the attack or would they be secretly praising the attackers?

As a Muslim I view the spreading of any false religion to be offensive. Non-Muslims living in Muslim countries need to be aware that their teachings are very offensive to Muslims. When you live in a country, a person needs to be aware of the need to avoid needlessly offending the majority. But, that does not mean people should be harmed or property needlessly damaged.

But, my thoughts are a moot point as I do not live there and I do not know what prior actions led up to the attack.
 
Clean-up on aisle 12...

Just deleted a couple of wholly inappropriate posts which seemed to justify the attacks, as well as its replies. Now, hopefully, we can get back to discussing the story. As always, if someone is playing up - report 'em.
 
This is being blown way out of proportion. Nothing was blown up, no one was killed.
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I made this thread because Islamirama said that christians in muslim countries have more laws and feel better than muslims in christian countries.
Well it seems that christians living in muslim countries dont always feel like in heaven


Muslims simply decided to take the law of their country into their own hands and close down a church consisting of apostates.
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Talha i really would prefer not to read what i have just read.What do you mean by taking their law in their own hands? And what would you say if westerners start to burn all mosques in West which preach hatred? And i wonder in which mosque ahve you learned such peaceful and tolerant attitudes? So really Sharia Law tell muslims to burn churches made by apostates? And what if in those churches were people? I guess that it is not problem for you and people like you.
I really hope that european politics will keep away people like you from our continent.
Salam.

There is nothing wrong with that, in fact these are noble deeds and I encourage them. In Pakistan, the Lal Masjid authorities are doing the same by taking the laws of Pakistan into their own hands and closing down brothels and immoral music shops. If our governments wont implement the law of the land, than we the ordinary Muslim citizens must take it into our own hands.
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So you compare christian churches with brothels and music shops? I won't lower to your level. But really this chatt opened my eyes for many things that i didnt notice before.
Peace.
 
As I attempted to point out earlier, hassling and church burning are really the least of the worries Christians have in Indonesia. When three Christian schoolgirls are beheaded by masked men for being Christian that points to a much darker problem.
 
Woodrow said:
A Christian Westerner has no concept of what it is like to have your friends, and relatives become apostates and then try to spread their apostasy.
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If i had friends or relatives apostaes i would surely Not burn their church/mosque/temple/.

I do see the need to silence those who spread false teachings, but I believe that should be done as peacefully as possible.
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Ermmm? What? You must be joking i guess. And what if those who spread false teaching ( christianity you mean , right?) wouldnt want to be silent? Whats then? What next steps would you take to silent them?

Would this have made World News if instead of a church it was a Satanic Temple and the people were spreading Satanism? Suppose it had been a Satanic temple, would the Christian world still be condemning the attack or would they be secretly praising the attackers?
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You compare christian churches to satanic temple?

As a Muslim I view the spreading of any false religion to be offensive. Non-Muslims living in Muslim countries need to be aware that their teachings are very offensive to Muslims. When you live in a country, a person needs to be aware of the need to avoid needlessly offending the majority. But, that does not mean people should be harmed or property needlessly damaged.
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And what about freedom of religion? And how would you feel if westerners banned teaching islam in West ?
You muslims want more and more muslim schools in West. You demand halal food in our schools. You want special prayer rooms in airports and jails.You want seperate swimmingpools for girls and boys, Here in West. And you still say that non muslim faiths are very offensive for muslims in muslim countries?It sounds like huge Hipocrysy. But it is ok, christian faith was persecuted in ancient Rome as well, and see how it all ended. You can burn churches, even with people "spreading false teachings" inside, but you wont stop the Truth. Not by using violence.
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Keltoi said:
When three Christian schoolgirls are beheaded by masked men for being Christian that points to a much darker problem.
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To be perfectly honest, Indonesian Christians have also beheaded Muslims.

Many Muslims have been murdered by Christians on predominantly Christian Indonesian islands.

So, the violence works both ways. The Christians are neither innocent nor weak. They have committed their fair-share of atrocities...
 
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