Kuwait will not Allow US troops to use bases in kuwait to attack Iran

[Sami Zaatari]

ture mtaffi, not everyone who you will kill in the mid-east will go to heaven, i.e the maronite christians who slaughtered countless of innocent palestinians and lebanease muslims, and the zionist jews who occupy palestine for 50 years now and who have been responsible for dozens of war crimes.

as for nukes, they are the worst creation, because its for cowards only who cant fight, hence they make nukes but too bad God is stronger that 1 billion nukes, so im not concerned about your nukes or anyone else's nukes. anyway i saw no mushroom cloud today, i guess your plan is still on hold mtaffi.

as for war with iran not being guerilla warfare, true, it wont, but it wont be all out war neither, since you cant make the logistics im afraid , your only resort is by air, and you and i know iran has already planned on how to defend themselves from a major US air bombardment.

number 2, lets say a mircale happens and u do get the logistics and make a full ground invasion well it will then be both conventional and guerilla warfare, because since your ignorant you dont actually know that the iranian army has trained thousands upon thousands of soldiers to take part in guerilla warfare incase the army cant hold and are over-run, sheesh its like you take your enemies for idiots!

number 3, iranian agents are across the world right now as we speak, ready to carry out any attacks if their country is hit, as the ayatollah said. and we all know western moral is very very weak, if they get bombed or attacked, lets say twice in a week, or 2wice in 2 weeks, civillian moral will be so low they will demand an end to the war and so will opposition parties.

but u dont care, u like war, your a big toughhhhhhhh guy right? so its all good for you, just get ur nachos and 6 pack of beer and turn fox news on.

 

[snakelegs]

we are leading up to an attack on iran, just as we did with iraq. it looks like the same scenario all over again.
i hope that sense will prevail, but i am not very optimistic. :skeleton:

 

[Malaikah]

we are leading up to an attack on iran, just as we did with iraq. it looks like the same scenario all over again.
i hope that sense will prevail, but i am not very optimistic. :skeleton:

First voice of reason in this thread... :thumbs_up

 

[Zman]

We are occupying Iraq, not in all out war, if we were we would have destroyed Iraq years ago.

Iraq has been destroyed already. The first nail in the coffin was after the 1st Gulf War, the TKO, was done via 12 genocidal years of sanctions & daily bombings...

The guerrilla warefare you speak of is very effective in an occupation, when you cant tell civilian from enemy. But in war, true war,

Guerilla Warfare, is a true form of War. It's Just one kind of war, but it IS real warfare.

Special forces use Guerrilla tactics. Do you consider them to be inferior as Guerrillas?

the war that would be fought with Iran, civilian casualities would be large, and the "guerrilla fighters" would do exactly what the taliban did, run and hide.

It's not run & hide. It's a maxim of Guerrilla Warfare. When you meet a larger more powerful force, witdraw and fight another day.

That maxim is also employed by conventional units and formations...

If you truly wish to see the full force of the US military

We've already seen the might of the U.S. military.

The last war we won was WWII.

We stalemated with a Third World nation, Korea.

We lost in Vietnam.

Granada & Panam, were Jokes. They were Just dress rehearsals for our many foreign interventions, which followed.

We were chased out of Lebanon, Just from one truck bomb.

We were chased out of Somalia.

We can't handle 2 simultaneous insurgencies (Afghanistan & Iraq), and our doctrine states that we can fight a 2 theatre conventional war.

And since you consider Guerrilla Warfare as being not a really, real war,, then we are in a very pitiful state, my friend.

So, I wouldn't be bragging about the full weight of our military might...

 

[Cognescenti]

....and one last thing, our dead go to heaven, yours go to hell! so we still win, and number 2 Allah will protect us from such an act, especially madinah and Makkah. hence your plan is futile, since god will protect us from such a plan. including any other plans of wiping us out whethor it be carpet bombing or whatever you have. so im not worried at all! good bye im going out now. maybe ill see a mushroom cloud later.

Must we really endure this?

 

[Bittersteel]

We can't handle 2 simultaneous insurgencies (Afghanistan & Iraq), and our doctrine states that we can fight a 2 theatre conventional war.

Iraq and Afghanistan ,bot aren't conventional.

 

[aamirsaab]

Eenie, meenie, miney, MO!

Please behave nicely and stick to da topic!

 

[MTAFFI]

ture mtaffi, not everyone who you will kill in the mid-east will go to heaven, i.e the maronite christians who slaughtered countless of innocent palestinians and lebanease muslims, and the zionist jews who occupy palestine for 50 years now and who have been responsible for dozens of war crimes.

Dont forget about the non practicing muslims and the muslims who did not follow the Quran

as for nukes, they are the worst creation, because its for cowards only who cant fight, hence they make nukes but too bad God is stronger that 1 billion nukes, so im not concerned about your nukes or anyone else's nukes. anyway i saw no mushroom cloud today, i guess your plan is still on hold mtaffi.

Nukes are the worst, I can agree on that, but again I will say it isnt my plan

as for war with iran not being guerilla warfare, true, it wont, but it wont be all out war neither, since you cant make the logistics im afraid , your only resort is by air, and you and i know iran has already planned on how to defend themselves from a major US air bombardment.

Again you are ignorant, Iran wont stop the stealth fighters that would be sent in and they wont be stopping a bombardment of missles that would be launched from various sites, dont forget Sami we have planes that can be anywhere in the world in a matter of a few hours, so your stupid idea about logistics is exactly that, stupid

number 2, lets say a mircale happens and u do get the logistics and make a full ground invasion well it will then be both conventional and guerilla warfare, because since your ignorant you dont actually know that the iranian army has trained thousands upon thousands of soldiers to take part in guerilla warfare incase the army cant hold and are over-run, sheesh its like you take your enemies for idiots!

A ground invasion would be unnecessary, may some groups here and there.

number 3, iranian agents are across the world right now as we speak, ready to carry out any attacks if their country is hit, as the ayatollah said. and we all know western moral is very very weak, if they get bombed or attacked, lets say twice in a week, or 2wice in 2 weeks, civillian moral will be so low they will demand an end to the war and so will opposition parties.

yeah go ahead make a couple attacks with a nation claiming them, see how low civilian morale will be. I would venture to say it would boost the morale of many, and that is morale with an "e"

but u dont care, u like war, your a big toughhhhhhhh guy right? so its all good for you, just get ur nachos and 6 pack of beer and turn fox news on.

I dont like war, I am pretty tough, I dont eat junk food and I only drink on occassion. So sit down and smoke your dope, eat your curry, and visit your blog and write about everyone who doesnt take your side and cry like a little baby and be sure to visit infowars.com and prisonplanet.com for your news update.

 

[Sami Zaatari]

its like i have to repeat myself a hundred times, firing missiles and using your stealth bombers wont do ANYTHING, lol how many times must i say this? that iran has already planned on what to do for a major air offensive, and precision guided missiles strikes! they already know that the form of attack against them most likely have a 90% chance of being from the air and sea only, not by the ground, and they can easily hold that.

as for me smoking dope, no thank you, i dont smoke, as for eating curry, i dont eat curry, as for visiting infowars.com and prisonplanet.com 25 million others do it as well which is why its one of the worlds top ranked internet site (above many of your neocon sites such as robert spener, daniel pipes etc) and number 3 you cant ever refute anything on those 2 sites, your guilty of what is called poisining the well, attacking the source but not the info, thats the sign of a typical loser. both those sites you mock have recieved former FBI members and former CIA leaders, including top former defence leaders and so on, so you can mock them all you want, but fact is their word is spreading so too bad for you. lol as for crying like a little baby, i leave that to americans, their the best at it lol.

 

[Keltoi]

Think about it this way...if Iran continues down their current path and the U.S. does nothing, Israel will take matters into their own hands. The U.S. doesn't want Israel involved, for obvious reasons, so it could come to a point when the U.S. has little choice...especially if the U.N. does what it normally does.

 

[Sinbad]

Think about it this way...if Iran continues down their current path and the U.S. does nothing, Israel will take matters into their own hands. The U.S. doesn't want Israel involved, for obvious reasons, so it could come to a point when the U.S. has little choice...especially if the U.N. does what it normally does.

No Israel will not, they only say they will to calm their people down. The Israeli goverment knows that All the Iranian leaders want is to keep their money and sucking Iran dry. And then retire to their houses in Geneva.

Ahmadjinedad would, but hes just someone becomign president cause nobody voted. He has no military power et c.

 

[islamirama]

its like i have to repeat myself a hundred times, firing missiles and using your stealth bombers wont do ANYTHING, lol how many times must i say this? that iran has already planned on what to do for a major air offensive, and precision guided missiles strikes! they already know that the form of attack against them most likely have a 90% chance of being from the air and sea only, not by the ground, and they can easily hold that.

as for me smoking dope, no thank you, i dont smoke, as for eating curry, i dont eat curry, as for visiting infowars.com and prisonplanet.com 25 million others do it as well which is why its one of the worlds top ranked internet site (above many of your neocon sites such as robert spener, daniel pipes etc) and number 3 you cant ever refute anything on those 2 sites, your guilty of what is called poisining the well, attacking the source but not the info, thats the sign of a typical loser. both those sites you mock have recieved former FBI members and former CIA leaders, including top former defence leaders and so on, so you can mock them all you want, but fact is their word is spreading so too bad for you. lol as for crying like a little baby, i leave that to americans, their the best at it lol.

**stands up and applauds**

 

[MTAFFI]

its like i have to repeat myself a hundred times, firing missiles and using your stealth bombers wont do ANYTHING, lol how many times must i say this? that iran has already planned on what to do for a major air offensive, and precision guided missiles strikes! they already know that the form of attack against them most likely have a 90% chance of being from the air and sea only, not by the ground, and they can easily hold that.

Really, please provide proof for this. Your opinion is worthless since it is wrong

as for me smoking dope, no thank you, i dont smoke, as for eating curry, i dont eat curry, as for visiting infowars.com and prisonplanet.com 25 million others do it as well which is why its one of the worlds top ranked internet site (above many of your neocon sites such as robert spener, daniel pipes etc) and number 3 you cant ever refute anything on those 2 sites, your guilty of what is called poisining the well, attacking the source but not the info, thats the sign of a typical loser. both those sites you mock have recieved former FBI members and former CIA leaders, including top former defence leaders and so on, so you can mock them all you want, but fact is their word is spreading so too bad for you. lol as for crying like a little baby, i leave that to americans, their the best at it lol.

one of the top ranked in the WORLD huh? LOL again please provide some fact here, your opinion is worthless as is your post. Robert spencer and Daniel pipes, I dont even pay attention to them or really even know who they are or what they have written. As far as being a neocon, I am not and again your opinion is worthless. As far as prisonplanet....lol.. no one responds to it here because it is against forum rules to post conspirarcy theories, and that is exactly what Alex Jones does, conspiracy theories. He is a joke and is known by many to be a joke. You say 25 million people, well wow sami, there are 6 billion in the world, that means about .0000025 in the world pay attention to his utter garbage, glad to see you are one of those meatheads as far as his 9/11 myths they are easy to debunk oh and heres yet another

Fact is, conspiracies make money, and as the great PT Barnum said (you know the circus guy) "There is a sucker born every minute"

 

[Cognescenti]

Prisonplanet is a gathering place for Konspiracy Kooks. In that sense, assailing the source of "information" has some validity.

If National Enquirer (in their old days) ran a story on Tammy Wynette being an alien love child I would tend to discount it as well.

 

[Pygoscelis]

infact the iranian regime wish for you to attack them, because it will bring up all the sentimental nationalism etc and make the ppl side with the goverment! not only in iran, but the entire muslim world!

Excellent point. Wars are as domestically motivated as they are internationally motivated. Bush attacked Iraq just after 9/11. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 but 9/11 produced a public sentiment of wanting vengeance, and Bush used that pro aggression sentiment.

The political climate in the US would have difficulty allowing an attack on Iran right now. But if a second terrorist attack happened to strike, that could change, even if it had nothing whatsoever to do with Iran.

 

[Cognescenti]

Excellent point. Wars are as domestically motivated as they are internationally motivated. Bush attacked Iraq just after 9/11. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 but 9/11 produced a public sentiment of wanting vengeance, and Bush used that pro aggression sentiment.

The political climate in the US would have difficulty allowing an attack on Iran right now. But if a second terrorist attack happened to strike, that could change, even if it had nothing whatsoever to do with Iran.

And you are able to achieve these insights into the thinking of the American public because...you are Canadian. You have jsut accused a couple of hundred million people of lacking discrimination. Some of us might object to that inference

You cite revenge (presumably because it is a non-thinking response). I would contend that the more general feeling is "just make sure it doesn't happen again". That is why the proactive argument carried the day.

I would agree the sentiment for prompt action agaisnt Iran is not there but it would take more than another terror act to overturn that. If, on the other hand, it were linked to Iran or involved WMD's...then the pressure for action would be unstoppable.

 

[Pygoscelis]

And you are able to achieve these insights into the thinking of the American public because...you are Canadian. You have jsut accused a couple of hundred million people of lacking discrimination. Some of us might object to that inference

You cite revenge (presumably because it is a non-thinking response). I would contend that the more general feeling is "just make sure it doesn't happen again". That is why the proactive argument carried the day.

I would agree the sentiment for prompt action agaisnt Iran is not there but it would take more than another terror act to overturn that. If, on the other hand, it were linked to Iran or involved WMD's...then the pressure for action would be unstoppable.

You really think Bush would have had all that support to invade Iraq had 9/11 never happened? Remember, there were plans for an invasion of Iraq during the Clinton administration, but it didn't go through. Bush clearly didn't think he could push it through pre 9/11 either - as he was elected on a platform of "non nation building". 9/11 created the out-for-vengeance sentiment that they needed to push it through.

The whole "they have weapons of mass destruction" line and refusal to allow the weapons inspectors to finish their work before charging in would never have flown had the public not been in a state of shock and fear. The climate made it possible.

 

[Cognescenti]

You really think Bush would have had all that support to invade Iraq had 9/11 never happened? Remember, there were plans for an invasion of Iraq during the Clinton administration, but it didn't go through. Bush clearly didn't think he could push it through pre 9/11 either - as he was elected on a platform of "non nation building". 9/11 created the out-for-vengeance sentiment that they needed to push it through.

The whole "they have weapons of mass destruction" line and refusal to allow the weapons inspectors to finish their work before charging in would never have flown had the public not been in a state of shock and fear. The climate made it possible.

The climate made it possible for the WMD theat and proactive action argument to succeed. I agree with that. I reject your claim that "revenge" was the prime mover.

BTW, the notion that weapons isnpectors in Iraq could have ever "finished their work" is good for a laugh. SH didn't want them to finish their work. He wanted the concern that he had WMD's to be perpetuated. He need only have dropped a few crumbs of gingerbread on the trail every few months and Hansel and Gretel would never get home.

 

[nocturne]

America is comfortable in waging wars far far away from their home, whereby the instability the war brings to the region would not severly affect them.

There is no right or wrong in a war. In this day of age, we all should be mature enough to solve problems through diplomacy.

Sri Lankan vs Tamil Tigers isnt any different from Israel vs Palestine....but all the attention is on middle east.

 

[nocturne]

The climate made it possible for the WMD theat and proactive action argument to succeed. I agree with that. I reject your claim that "revenge" was the prime mover.

BTW, the notion that weapons isnpectors in Iraq could have ever "finished their work" is good for a laugh. SH didn't want them to finish their work. He wanted the concern that he had WMD's to be perpetuated. He need only have dropped a few crumbs of gingerbread on the trail every few months and Hansel and Gretel would never get home.

Even when the whole world acknowledges that Bush was wrong to go into Iraq, you still fail to see them. There was no WMD, and attacking afghan and iraq was nothing more than revenge.

I dont see how the world is a better place now that afghanistan and iraq are under american rule.:rollseyes