Adam & Eve:How did the population increase from them?

[nocturne]

Assalamualaikum,

this might be a silly question. But, adam and eve were the first humans in earth. but how did the population increase from them? Is there any information in any hadiths or in Quran with regards to this:statisfie

 

[barney]

We had a thread a bit back about this.
The Bible says cain had a son Enoch.

Who his wife was is anyone guess.

Most people on here accept that he slept with his sister.(and that this was ok)
All the agnostics and atheists point out that its proven genetic suicide and that a critical mass couldnt have developed.
this is responded to by god intervening and lending a hand.

Cheers.

 

[Malaikah]

From an Islamic perspective Hawa (Adam's wife 'Eve') gave birth to twins, one girl one boy.

So, the boy would marry a girl other than his twin sister, and the girl would marry a boy other than her twin brother.

 

[ranma1/2]

From an Islamic perspective Hawa (Adam's wife 'Eve') gave birth to twins, one girl one boy.

So, the boy would marry a girl other than his twin sister, and the girl would marry a boy other than her twin brother.

but if all of the population came from Adam and eve then it sounds like nothign but incest.

 

[barney]

but if all of the population came from Adam and eve then it sounds like nothign but incest.

It's not so much the incest that bothers me, it's the fact that in order to have a viable population , you need more than two.

The other problem of course is that within a few generations of Adam & eve, cities were being built and wars being fought with tens and hundreds of thousands of casulties.
Ther Adam & Eve story is a lovely one, but it's as factual as Hansel & Gretal or the Pied Piper. Right down to him being 90 foot tall.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

We don't believe we orinated from Adam or Eve. God alone knows this, no human knows how it came to be!

 

[Malaikah]

It's not so much the incest that bothers me, it's the fact that in order to have a viable population , you need more than two.

The other problem of course is that within a few generations of Adam & eve, cities were being built and wars being fought with tens and hundreds of thousands of casulties.

Well I don't know about the dates you are talking about... but........

Adam and Eve had lotsssssssss of kids in sets of twins. And people back then lived hundreds of years. and presumable their kids would have had lots of kids too.

Yeh, I know, you are probably laughing now...

Anyway, if the incest worries you, what do you make of the fact that Eve was actually created from Adam? :? That is like worse than incest. A female created from the DNA of a man.

Obviously things back then worked a little differently, and incest was allowed for them (for obvious reasons).

 

[Trumble]

The Adam & Eve story is a lovely one, but it's as factual as Hansel & Gretal or the Pied Piper. Right down to him being 90 foot tall.

Indeed. The plus point, of course, is that if you believe the Adam and Eve story a 'refutation' of the actual point at issue is hardly necessary - what happened afterwards is trivial in relation to the principal assumption.

 

[Panther]

What I'm more interested in is when animals lost the ability to talk. Is the deceptive Snake in the Qu'ran too?

 

[Woodrow]

This seems to be a point that people who look for only a scientific explanation overlook.

We do know that in todays world that incestuous reproduction would result in either stagnation or suicide for a species. In the microscopic world asexual reproductions appears to be the norm and evolution seems to be at a stand still for it. The amoeba of today is simply a carbon copy of the first amoeba for example.

No matter hw we slice the cake all humans came from the same source. It seems that if reproduction of humans had simply obeyed the laws of Genetics the Human of today would be in big trouble evolutionary wise.

I can't even begin to explain the genetic problems, if the beginning of life was based only upon randomization of messed up gametes early in our formation. Plus this all took place over a finite period of time, that by it's own nature would have limited the number of possibilities and if most of those possibilities had been based upon incest, I can not imagine how I could be here typing at this moment.

 

[Trumble]

What I'm more interested in is when animals lost the ability to talk. Is the deceptive Snake in the Qu'ran too?

No, it isn't. In fairness to Genesis I thought that the snake was actually supposed to be a manifestation of Satan rather than a refugee from Dr Doolitle? Might be wrong, been a long time since I read it.

 

[Philosopher]

We don't believe we orinated from Adam or Eve. God alone knows this, no human knows how it came to be!

It's called "evolution." Maybe you Sikhs need to get your religion updated.

 

[Philosopher]

but if all of the population came from Adam and eve then it sounds like nothign but incest.

Well, we shouldnt judge them by modern standards. Back then many things were normal which is not the case today. Also, many mammals undergo incest so that is not a problem. Just like homosexuality.

 

[barney]

To the point of talking animals. I think the snake can be a manifestation of satan.

But we also have talking pens, talking earths, talking rocks, talking mountains, crying trees..etc, etc , etc.

I mean sure, you could say its all metaphorical, but then what bits are metaphorical and whats not?
Is Noah metaphorical?
Jesus's ressurection?

Modern standards may have changed, but 6000 years ago, Adam and Eve having lots of (unmentioned) twins would be genetic suicide as much as it would be today.

 

[Philosopher]

To the point of talking animals. I think the snake can be a manifestation of satan.

How so?? You need to define "Satan" and "evil" before we come to conclusions.

I mean sure, you could say its all metaphorical, but then what bits are metaphorical and whats not?
Is Noah metaphorical?
Jesus's ressurection?

Well, it is a undeniable fact that VERY similar stories existed among pagan dogmas before Christianity (Mithas, Osiris, Hercules, Krishna etc). When one says it is metaphorical, he needs to explain why it is so. The earliest Christians surely did not read the Bible from the metaphorical perspective, but literally.

Modern standards may have changed, but 6000 years ago, Adam and Eve having lots of (unmentioned) twins would be genetic suicide as much as it would be today.

I am inclined to agree, but maybe mutations and genetic drift played a role. After all, even evolution argues humans have a common descent.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Well, we shouldnt judge them by modern standards. Back then many things were normal which is not the case today. Also, many mammals undergo incest so that is not a problem. Just like homosexuality.

Yes, funny how if it was acceptable back then, why did the Bible and Quran forbid the above after.... Seems like you muslims need sort their own religion out before you dare to attack mine punk, it's been made up as they've gone along.... :raging:

 

[Philosopher]

Yes, funny how if it was acceptable back then, why did the Bible and Quran forbid the above after.... Seems like you muslims need sort their own religion out before you dare to attack mine punk, it's been made up as they've gone along.... :raging:

LMAO, you are probably the last man to be complaining about Bible/Quran morality. I dont know much about Sikhism, dont care to because I dont like wasting my time over backward dogmas.

http://richarddawkins.net/article,1138,-Cult-leader-sparks-Sikh-riots-with-guru-stunt,Jerome-Taylor

btw, I am not Muslim.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

LMAO, you are probably the last man to be complaining about Bible/Quran morality. I dont know much about Sikhism, dont care to because I dont like wasting my time over backward dogmas.

http://richarddawkins.net/article,1138,-Cult-leader-sparks-Sikh-riots-with-guru-stunt,Jerome-Taylor

btw, I am not Muslim.

Probably a hindu bander then...

BTW - What is the point you're trying to make with the above link? I see nothing wrong whatsoever with the way they've handled it.

 

[barney]

How so?? You need to define "Satan" and "evil" before we come to conclusions. .

Im just defining that its satan ,because thats what christians teach.The Bible staes only that its a snake, but i've never heard a christian who beleived it was just a talking snake. However:
14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
"Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.

So if it was a demonically possessed talking snake...why punish snakes and take away their snakey-legs (no offence snakelegs) If it wasnt demonically possessed, we have a snake talking in passable Hebrew.

20.120] But the Shaitan made an evil suggestion to him; he said: O Adam! Shall I guide you to the tree of immortality and a kingdom which decays not?

And here we have from the quran, just plain old satan telling Adam to eat the apple.

[Well, it is a undeniable fact that VERY similar stories existed among pagan dogmas before Christianity (Mithas, Osiris, Hercules, Krishna etc). When one says it is metaphorical, he needs to explain why it is so. The earliest Christians surely did not read the Bible from the metaphorical perspective, but literally. .

Totally agree. the concept of snakes jibberjabbering away only starts to be seen a bit strange in the age of enlightenment and beyond.

One thing we often forget, (Well us agnostics 'n Atheists dont :rollseyes ) is the Interpretation of modern religions has changed significantly in line with mankinds growing knowlage and reasoning.

The concept of fitting all the species in the world into a ship the size of a frigate wasnt questioned for centuries. Nowadays it is ridiculous, but to people of antiquity, it's fine. So out come the modern day interprators who argue about cubits and the length of the journey of the ark and the speed of earths rotation in those days and the rate of water drainage changing.
At the end of the day, the scriptures still write that the duck-billed platypus and the Amazonian tree frog all got on board cap'n noahs ship and lay down peacefully with the Siberian Tiger. The sun fell into a muddy pool and the moon split in two.

All these stories may well be based on some historical truths. like the parting of the red sea. I wonder just how this naval expedition went, a iseralite victory over Egypt certainly, but was the pursuing fleet defeated in battle? Or Egyptian ships were caught in a storm that sank a few of them. Whatever, it was written that the seas parted and the Israelites walked to safety, because thats a darned sight more miraculous!

 

[- Qatada -]

20.120] But the Shaitan made an evil suggestion to him; he said: O Adam! Shall I guide you to the tree of immortality and a kingdom which decays not?

And here we have from the quran, just plain old satan telling Adam to eat the apple.

Do you purposelly ignore my responses to your previous questions in other threads? It's called waswasa. Yet shaytaan can't force us to do any sin at all.


The issue of Noah being in a ship, that isn't surprising since many scholars state that the people who may have gone with Noah may have been around a maximum of 80.



And Allaah knows best.