Report: Fatah men executed in front of wives and children

[Cognescenti]

May be with hindsight, people will consider this "Republic of Gaza," a the seed that was planted which shall yield a united Palestine, down the road.

People originally thought that when Arafat decided to bring back all his PLO, and establish them in Gaza & the West Bank, that they'd be surrounded and cut-off from the outside world. That The Palestinians wouldn't be able to accomplish anything.

Now, the concentration of a Palestinian government/administrration in one geographical area has produced this current situation. That there is a real resistance/liberation movement that is currently carrying & protecting the Palestinian cause.

To borrow Cheney's quote (with a slight alteration): "Fatah is in it's last throes!"

And, soon Insha Allah, the Hamas government will be much more established in the West Bank, also. Give this flower the time to bloom.

Now, Islam is ruling, not being subordinate & being ruled by someone else...

The only way the PA had a chance was with outside support. Do you think they are going to get any from the US or EU now?

I hope the residents of Gaza enjoy their Islamic paradise. It will take no more than a month before the reality begins to set in. What is going to sustain them economically? Has anyone here ever bought a product exported from Gaza? What are they all going to do...sell life insurance to each other?

You see this as some kind of victory on the way to kicking the Jews out of Palestine. My guess is you are in the minority in that opinion.

It is a disaster for the Palestinians.

 

[Amadeus85]

Muslims should forget about Palestine. Because now we have Republic of Gaza and Republic of West Bank. WHAT A SHAME!!!!:raging:

There is rather Hamasstan and Fatahland :rollseyes

 

[Zman]

The only way the PA had a chance was with outside support. Do you think they are going to get any from the US or EU now?

The economic sanctions and government boycott was initiated after the Palestinian people elected Hamas in a legal and democratic elections, as was attested to by the West.

Do you think that mass starvation, the destruction of an economy, and collective punishment was appropriate?

Do you think that the continuation of the above policy is a Just act towards over a million Palestinian civilians in Gaza, as pay back for what Hamas has done?

I hope the residents of Gaza enjoy their Islamic paradise.

Thanks to the West's policy.

If we had embraced Hamas, like we did with the IRA, and chose dialogue and moderation rather than confrontation and a big stick, Hamas would never had resorted to such actions.

If we didn't arm Fatah with the intention of combatting Hamas and approving and aiding in his coup attempt against Hamas, this mess would never have occurred.

It will take no more than a month before the reality begins to set in.

The Palestinians have been living this reality for decades.

What is going to sustain them economically?

The $100 million in taxes that is rghtly theirs, and we froze.

The donations in the millions, their Arab & Muslims brothers sent and were confiscated at the border by Egypt, Jordan, and the refusal of the Banks to process any transactions, after the U.S. illegally threatened them.

Has anyone here ever bought a product exported from Gaza?

No. Thanks to Israeli checkpoints, they would let the trucks loaded with goods wait for hours, and only allowing them passage after their contents have rotted.

What are they all going to do...sell life insurance to each other?

Ask the Western & Arab governments. They drew first blood...

You see this as some kind of victory on the way to kicking the Jews out of Palestine.

I never said that. And, since I never said that, then it's not official. And it's on you for issuing lies and assassinating my character. But this isn't the first time you resorted to dirty tactics.

My guess is you are in the minority in that opinion.

I didn't know that we had a soothsayer, here...

 

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

In case you guys forget,Islam allow for beheading in the worst of people.

Why dont we find out what did the man do?

was he a traitor?
Did he sell off his own family and people for his own safety?
Did he send other to die while he kept safe?

There are many laws in Islam,and punishment is alwyas there.

Too many foolish people,talk about love wihout understanding that love too has limitation and cannot use the word love for atrocious actions.

Too many muslim forget the laws of Islam and what is lawful for secular laws.

Such moderate muslims are much loved by the west.
We love,you love,i love..
So lay down your arm,adn when you are killed and fight back,they condemn you.

Such is the eakness in the ummah,they ascribe to toehr religon desire for what Islam is.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Question: Why until now, Palestinians failed to have an independent country?
Answer: They're fighting each others.


Conclusion: I think most Malaysians are so sick to see Palestinian fighting each others, making us going to give our donations elsewhere.. Why giving money to failures... so sad.

Salaam,

they are fighting idealogy.

fatah is western supported,and are moderate muslim,much loved by the west.

Hamas is democratically elected and hated by the west.

thus your choice,is it a case of two Islam,or is it the case of one who have sold himself for prosperity and power and wealth while enslaving his entire nation.

Or another that fight for soveriengity for their own sake on their own terms.

And may i ask how much does Malaysia contribute to the Palestine people?
Curious leh

 

[Trumble]

The economic sanctions and government boycott was initiated after the Palestinian people elected Hamas in a legal and democratic elections, as was attested to by the West.

And would have ended instantly had Hamas acknowledged the State of Israel's right to exist as opposed to retaining a commitment to destroy it.

 

[Cognescenti]

The economic sanctions and government boycott was initiated after the Palestinian people elected Hamas in a legal and democratic elections, as was attested to by the West.

Do you think that mass starvation, the destruction of an economy, and collective punishment was appropriate?

Do you think that the continuation of the above policy is a Just act towards over a million Palestinian civilians in Gaza, as pay back for what Hamas has done?

The Pals had a right to vote for Hamas. Nobody disputes that. It's just that, in retrospect, they have made an historic error. One of the interesting things about democracy is that elections have consequences. It is funny that way. They voted for a "political party" that calls for the destruction of Israel in their charter. Fine..let them destroy Israel with their own money. This little exercise in civil war merely compounds the mistake.

Thanks to the West's policy.

If we had embraced Hamas, like we did with the IRA, and chose dialogue and moderation rather than confrontation and a big stick, Hamas would never had resorted to such actions.

Yeah..that's it. The poor dears were forced into it by the wascally West. It is the Beslan school massacre argument all over again..."the Russians made us do it."

If we didn't arm Fatah with the intention of combatting Hamas and approving and aiding in his coup attempt against Hamas, this mess would never have occurred.

Wait a minute. Isn't Abbas still the PM under the Constitution? Did Hamas win an actual majority of seats, or just a plurality? In that case there is a coup but in the reverse sense.

The $100 million in taxes that is rghtly theirs, and we froze.

Wait..surely you mean Israel? So how did we freeze them? Do you live in Israel part time too? I am confused.

I never said that. And, since I never said that, then it's not official. And it's on you for issuing lies and assassinating my character. But this isn't the first time you resorted to dirty tactics.

What does this mean then? ...."May be with hindsight, people will consider this "Republic of Gaza," a the seed that was planted which shall yield a united Palestine, down the road."

Your tone and inference certainly implies it. If you truly desire a Palestinian state living side by side in peace with Israel then I will be happy to apologize because that is exactly what I favor.

 

[Zman]

You see this as some kind of victory on the way to kicking the Jews out of Palestine.

This is what you said, exactly, not what I said verbatim!

What does this mean then? ...."May be with hindsight, people will consider this "Republic of Gaza," a the seed that was planted which shall yield a united Palestine, down the road.

What does this mean then? You should have asked for clarification, first.

A "United Palestine," means a unified Gaza & West Bank, with corridors that link them together, and aren't controlled by Israel.

If they remain without proper and sovereign linkage, then there will never be a viable Palestinian State.

No where have I ever mentioned that the Jews should be "kicked out of Plaestine." Nor will I ever favor that.

A unified Palestinian State should be able to survive on its own, have a complete military, its economy should not be under Israeli control, it's territorial mass (air, land, sea) should not be under Israeli control, etc...

Your tone and inference certainly implies it.

Tone?

If I didn't say it exactly, then don't interpret it.

If you truly desire a Palestinian state living side by side in peace with Israel then I will be happy to apologize because that is exactly what I favor.

Ok. I'm waiting for my apology

 

[Cognescenti]

......A "United Palestine," means a unified Gaza & West Bank, with corridors that link them together, and aren't controlled by Israel.

If they remain without proper and sovereign linkage, then there will never be a viable Palestinian State.

No where have I ever mentioned that the Jews should be "kicked out of Plaestine." No will I ever favor that.

A unified Palestinian State should be able to survive on its own, have a complete military, its economy should not be under Israeli control, it's territorial mass (air, land, sea) should not be under Israeli control, etc...

Great! I concur 99%. The corridor thing is a good idea but a 100% inviolate sovereign Palestinian corridor joining the West Bank and Gaza would mean that Israel would be cut in two...wouldn't it? You would almost need some type of crazy internationally-controlled corridor. Then there is the not insignificant problem of talking the locals into moving out.

Ok. I'm waiting for my apology
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I apologize. I misunderstood your point of a "unified Palestine". You did not call for the elimination of Israel.

 

[islamirama]

There's only one way to bring peace to that land.

Israel return all land it occupies and return to the land it was originally given (which it will never do)
Israel free all palestinians in from it's jails and live and rule only on it's own side of the land
Israel comply to the 67+ UN resoultions set forth by the UN
Palestine and Israel exist as two separate nations with their own rulers, economy, military and everything.

As for israel being "wipe of the map", i'm not too concerned about that as that will happen when al-madhi comes and until then they should co-exit as 2 seperate states, that would be smart of palestinians to do.

 

[Cognescenti]

There's only one way to bring peace to that land.

Israel return all land it occupies and return to the land it was originally given (which it will never do)
Israel free all palestinians in from it's jails and live and rule only on it's own side of the land
Israel comply to the 67+ UN resoultions set forth by the UN
Palestine and Israel exist as two separate nations with their own rulers, economy, military and everything.

As for israel being "wipe of the map", i'm not too concerned about that as that will happen when al-madhi comes and until then they should co-exit as 2 seperate states, that would be smart of palestinians to do.

At least 2 of your demands are incompatible:

Israel return all land it occupies and return to the land it was originally given

and

Palestine and Israel exist as two separate nations with their own rulers, economy, military and everything.

 

[islamirama]

At least 2 of your demands are incompatible:

Israel return all land it occupies and return to the land it was originally given

and

Palestine and Israel exist as two separate nations with their own rulers, economy, military and everything.

They are compatible, israel return all the land it occupies illegaly and took during 6day war. It should return to the land originally given to it at it's creation and stop calling jews from around the world to come settle illegally on Palestinian side of land.

If they can do that, then the two can have their own land and seperate everything to exist independently. If israel can't do that then there will never be peace.

 

[barney]

Neither Fatah nor Hammas want pre-67 borders.

They want the sea.

You can give them the Strip, the Golan, The westbank.

Then the bombing starts again.
If you give a inch a mile will be taken. First the violence has to stop and the attitude has to change.

 

[Zman]

If you give a inch a mile will be taken.

That's exactly what Israel did, since 1948.

They were never satisfied with what was given to them by the UN.

First the violence has to stop and the attitude has to change.

Bingo!

That's what Israel must do...

 

[barney]

That's exactly what Israel did, since 1948.

They were never satisfied with what was given to them by the UN.

Bingo!

That's what Israel must do...

Who shot first?

 

[Cognescenti]

They are compatible, israel return all the land it occupies illegaly and took during 6day war. It should return to the land originally given to it at it's creation and stop calling jews from around the world to come settle illegally on Palestinian side of land.

If they can do that, then the two can have their own land and seperate everything to exist independently. If israel can't do that then there will never be peace.

If Israel did this..."It should return to the land originally given to it at it's creation"...where would Israel be..on barges in the Mediterranean?

 

[barney]

In answer to my own question. 1947, the Arab nations invaded at Israels creation.
Theyve had many attempts to smash Israel since, all total flops.
They havnt tried in conventianal warfare since 73. (About the time the Israeli's went nuclear).

 

[Zman]

Who shot first?

The jewish immigrants in 1948 (and probably before that) shot first in their attempt to steal Palestinian land.

Have you heard of the Jewish terrorist organizations: Irgun, Haganah, palmach, the Stern Gang?

 

[north_malaysian]

And may i ask how much does Malaysia contribute to the Palestine people?
Curious leh

* Malaysia pledges $16 million to Palestinian Authority.

http://peace4palestine-housewife4palestine.blogspot.com/2006/05/malaysia-pledges-16-million-to.html

* Aman Palestin sacrificed 58 goats and 3 cows, together with RM40,000 and being sent to Palestinians on Eid Al Adha.

* Aman Palestin established eye treatment dept. in Khalid bin Al Walid HEalth Centre for Palestinian refugees in Ein El Hilweh Camp, Lebanon.



http://amanpalestin.com/v1/index.php

 

[barney]

The day of partition November 29, 1947. Jamal Husseini, the Arab Higher Committee's spokesman, had told the UN prior to the partition vote the Arabs would drench "the soil of our beloved country with the last drop of our blood .
The following day, It began. Starting off with riots and murders by 9/1/48 the palastinian arabs and the armies of 5 nations started the attempt to drive the jews to the sea.