Who wants to live in a theocracy?

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Who wants to live in a theocracy?

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wilberhum said:
I think closer than any one else.
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Do you know what Shi'a are? They don't even believe anyone can take the Khilafah (Caliphate) apart from 12 people. So no - that isn't the way of the Sunnah (Prophetic sayings etc.)


So where do you think the country is run according to the Qur'an and Authentic Sunnah?
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Havn't we discussed this already?


The final Messenger of Allaah, Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
"The Prophethood will last among you for as long as Allah (God) wills, then Allah would take it away. Then it will be (followed by) a Khilafah [caliphate] Rashida (rightly guided) according to the ways of the Prophethood. It will remain for as long as Allah wills, then Allah would take it away. Afterwards there will be a hereditary leadership which will remain for as long as Allah wills, then He will lift it if He wishes. Afterwards, there will be biting oppression, and it will last for as long as Allah wishes, then He will lift it if He wishes. Then there will be a Khilafah Rashida according to the ways of the Prophethood," then he kept silent.

[recorded in Musnad Imam Ahmad (v/273)]


We're under the underlined stage, and all the events before it have occured in our islamic history. Inshaa'Allaah the rest of the prophecy will soon come into effect.


According to the hadith, the prophet (peace be upon him) will be followed by rightly guided caliphs and after those caliphs (Abu Baker, Omar, Uthman and Ali) will come hereditary leadership (the other Caliphs) and after that will come tyrannical rule (today) and after that will come a rightly guided caliphs yet again inshaa'Allaah.

http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/40557-rights-dhimmi-non-muslim-muslim-islamic-state.html

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wilberhum said:
You talk Utopia, I talk reality. Any simpleton can design the "Perfect System".
No genius can make it work. You simply talk fairy tales "Once up a time".
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I disagree, when we talk about perfection, we do not mean it in an utopic sense (lolipops and rainbows things) instead what we mean by perfect is the best way out of a given situation. Not perfect in the sense that there are no downsides of it, but perfect in the sense that the few downsides outweigh the benefits greatly, and that this balance of benefit vs. downsides outweighs any other possible system.

As for Iran, isn't that run by a Shiite government? Odd that you say it comes closest to an Islamic government by your opinion. Needless to say it does not by mine.
 
Abdul Fattah said:
I disagree, when we talk about perfection, we do not mean it in an utopic sense (lolipops and rainbows things) instead what we mean by perfect is the best way out of a given situation. Not perfect in the sense that there are no downsides of it, but perfect in the sense that the few downsides outweigh the benefits greatly, and that this balance of benefit vs. downsides outweighs any other possible system.

As for Iran, isn't that run by a Shiite government? Odd that you say it comes closest to an Islamic government by your opinion. Needless to say it does not by mine.
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The definition of "perfect" is not a system that has more upsides than downsides. If this is what you mean by perfect, then this is why I don't want to live in a theocracy run by humans. You might think the downsides are insignificant, but if they effect me they are extremely significant to me. I only trust God to be able to make such distinctions, not people.
 
Grace Seeker said:
The definition of "perfect" is not a system that has more upsides than downsides. If this is what you mean by perfect, then this is why I don't want to live in a theocracy run by humans. You might think the downsides are insignificant, but if they effect me they are extremely significant to me. I only trust God to be able to make such distinctions, not people.
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I wasn't discussing semantics, or trying to change your views on what perfection really means, I was just clarifying what we mean by this.
 
Hey! :enough!:

I have to complain because I see I am the only person who voted to want to live in a theocracy even if my own Religion is not the Religion of the state!

:raging: :raging:

It is like this:

if we can not believe in our self first, then how could we even know that Allah exists, in fact, because Allah blesses our Alaqa with existing only because our Alaqa sustains a self in which His will is known, then if we can not believe in our self, we are also not believing in Allah.

If a nation state exists, then it is forcing an identification upon a person. I much rather that identification be of one of the known Religions than of the shaytan, which all other nation states are of.

Even, and especially an Animist Faith has a dignity in accepting the faults in our being, in which we are well enabled to then also sustain faith in Allah. Animist Faiths with muliple god-heads, might be able to impose upon us tolerance of idols and bad Art, but they can not prevent our Faith in Allah. Unlike a secular Nation State which can abuse men in prison to prevent expressions of any belief in Allah. This is happening here in Australia to both black and white skin Aborigines, that men are being imprisoned at alarming rates if police learn of any indigenous belief, and then the men and some woman also, are being sodomised as a torture to prevent faith in Allah.

There is no theocracy which could have done what I know has been done by Australian police.:cry:
 
As to the perfect form of Governance: it is when God leads through leading Arch Angels, who lead all the various lesser Angels, who lead Saints, who lead Men, under who the shaytan then even take instruction. If only we have the order of leadership correct we might not be able to even make one act which is not within the Will of Allah.

What is that song about: "Oh when the Saints, Oh when the Saints come marching in, how I want to be in that number, Oh when the Saints come marching in"

Isn't it about a group of Saints entering the Ummah from the outside of Known Islam, though entering the Masonic temples and turning around the direction of Human endeavour through the big money? Even the shaytan are all looking forward with longing to the day, but the shaytan can not comprehend how a Human can read Qur'an, and so shaytan have their own world to exist in which is distinct from that of a believer.

In fact Qur'an is also very powerful for shaytan also, but they find meaning as opposite from how a Human mind will, and by that device are they indulged while also being caused to behave alike to Human beings. Before Islam they were much naughtier. As naughty and naughtier than those who did the worst side of the cultural revolution in China. Yet they still want the will of Allah to lead their nature, but can not take leadership from Angels as Human beings can. So Humans must be to the Shaytan as an Angel is to a man.
 
As to the perfect form of Governance: it is when God leads through leading Arch Angels, who lead all the various lesser Angels, who lead Saints, who lead Men, under who the shaytan then even take instruction. If only we have the order of leadership correct we might not be able to even make one act which is not within the Will of Allah.
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Where do I find this place?
 
I have to complain because I see I am the only person who voted to want to live in a theocracy even if my own Religion is not the Religion of the state!
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You have to complain because no one agrees with you? :skeleton:

Then you talk of Allah! If the state religion was not Islam, than Allah would be considered a false god. :?

Do you remember me PMing you and asking why you didn't think things like the Inquisition would happen again?

A theocracy makes all non-believers second class citizens, at best.
At worst, they are enemies of the state. :raging:

Why would you conceder that good? :skeleton:
 
:sl: I would love to live in an Islamic state, things would be peaceful and better off. Plus the whole country could pray together.:D
 
tears4husain said:
:sl: well, look at Iran what is not peaceful about there? Plus we let america mess up our peace:p
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What is not peaceful about Iran? Easier would be what is peaceful about Iran.:skeleton:
Wipe a neighbor off the map, finance insurgents/terrorists in every neighboring country. How is that for starters? :-\
Oh yes and again America is the route of all evil. ^o)
Are you 12 or have you just never faced reality?

Well I see you are 24 so I guess 12 is out.
 
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