May I be a skeptic?

[جوري]

Addendum:
I just thought I'd add that, the Egyptian church is a Coptic one, and they believe Catholics to be heretics, thus leading me to believe that if the "Virgin Mary" made her presence known over the Coptic church of Morqus she would want you to follow the Coptic way of life... so all I can say is instead of toot toot 3a Beirut toot toot 3la Asyoot ... get cracking there is an EgyptAir flight leaving tomorrow @ 6--I'd check it out in a hurry!

peace!

 

[Philosopher]

http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2005-11-27-marystatue_x.htm
http://www.visionsofjesuschrist.com/weepingstatuesandicons.htm

now this one is crazy.. this womans body has been preserved since 1879.. no joke!

>>>http://www.marypages.com/ - GREAT link

It's a miracle! I saw Jesus. I'm converting to Christianity right away!

Angus MacDougall is a three-year-old terrier mix that has recently been blessed with the revered and holy image of Jesus Christ on his hindquarters. Is this manifestation of The Prince of Peace a coincidence or a bona fide miracle? One thing is for certain, this apparition of the Son of God is sure to inspire controversy. Not much if any true scientific or theological inquiry has been made into the nature of this sign to date, but "seeing is believing" as little Angus' terrier-tush is obviously marked by the likeness of Christ. Click on the image below to witness His astonishing appearance, first hand then be sure to visit the links above to learn more about Angus and his sacred derriere extraordinaire. We hope you enjoy your visit!

Edit:
I deleted the last three pictures, since it is offensive to some, I'm sure you don't mind and that the messages comes across well with out those pictures to

 

[Philosopher]

i have checked out these sites. thank you.

out of the thousands of prophesies of the Bible, those sites list like what, 10? i looked at commentary for a few of them, and they have been fulfilled.. just not in the way people think. like one that says "Damascus will no longer be a city" - this just means that it will be majorly damaged. and it was, just years later. or another about the Nile drying up - it's not literal. it's just saying that Egypt will be going through hard times.

you have to understand what these things mean.. they are not always so literal as many think. many just eggaterate to just show the devestatin that will be brought upon them

Thousands of prophecies?? LMAO. More like thousands of contradictions! You do not need to disprove a thousand prophecies to debunk the Bible. Onlu one is sufficient.

Here are more good sites:
http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/
http://bs4a.blogspot.cpm (Excellent Biblical commentary)

 

[evangel]

I have refuted Thirdwatch512 before using this post, he ran away from the debate with his tail between his legs:

Do you read your own posts or do you just puke up junk that is unfit for human consumption? Most of the dates you have shown were predicted using science or pseudo-sciences. Other examples, like the whole Mayan calender thing and the space ships, to show the errors of the Bible would be like me trying to disprove evolution and referencing Mother Goose, even my friends would ask me to get a cat scan(something you should think about, cause something's misfiring). Then you show that the Bible is wrong by using Jehovah's Witnesses predictions. JW's aren't Christians, I think they believe Jesus was an angel, they rewrote the Bible because they believed it was erroneous. You can't really be serious about the things you post can you? C'mon you can tell me, you were hired by the forum for comic relief weren't you. It's either that or your doing the whole thousand monkees on typewriters and every time a sentence or two comes through you post it.
In the words of Jesus, "Are you so thick?"
He also said to not concern ourselves with the when but believe it would happen.
Proverbs speaks much about you:
Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 10:14
Wise people store up knowledge, But the mouth of the foolish is near destruction.
Proverbs 10:18
Whoever hides hatred has lying lips, And whoever spreads slander is a fool.
Proverbs 13:16
Every prudent man acts with knowledge, But a fool lays open his folly.
Proverbs 13:20
He who walks with wise men will be wise, But the companion of fools will be destroyed.

This last one speaks to me
Proverbs 14:7
Go from the presence of a foolish man, When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.

 

[Philosopher]

you laugh at that, but i'm sure you wouldn't be laughing when you saw a line 1500 people getting Baptized in that Church in ONE DAY!! that means that 1500 people converted to Chrisitanity in ONE DAY!

yup, in ONE DAY.. 1500 people got in a line to be Baptized

Yes, and a 6 year old Nigerian kid converted 1000 Nigerians to Islam.

The world has its share of idiots.

 

[Philosopher]

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 10:14
Wise people store up knowledge, But the mouth of the foolish is near destruction.
Proverbs 10:18
Whoever hides hatred has lying lips, And whoever spreads slander is a fool.
Proverbs 13:16
Every prudent man acts with knowledge, But a fool lays open his folly.
Proverbs 13:20
He who walks with wise men will be wise, But the companion of fools will be destroyed.

This last one speaks to me
Proverbs 14:7
Go from the presence of a foolish man, When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.

This is a video just for those quotes:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fdVucvo-kDU

Since you love to quote the Bible so much, maybe I should try too:

Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5

I like these too:

Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. Philippians 2:10

A Christian can not be accused of any wrongdoing. Romans 8:33

 

[thirdwatch512]

Addendum:
I just thought I'd add that, the Egyptian church is a Coptic one, and they believe Catholics to be heretics, thus leading me to believe that if the "Virgin Mary" made her presence known over the Coptic church of Morqus she would want you to follow the Coptic way of life... so all I can say is instead of toot toot 3a Beirut toot toot 3la Asyoot ... get cracking there is an EgyptAir flight leaving tomorrow @ 6--I'd check it out in a hurry!

peace!

the Blessed Mother has made Her appearence at almost every Apostolic denomination i know. Apostilic is Catholic, Orthodox, Coptic, etc.

there's a common hadith in bukhari i think that says that there will be 73 different sects, and 72 of them, the followers will be in hell (because they supposingly won't following true islam.)

Christianity isn't like that. in fact, in 1 Timothy it speaks of Christians being together and such. and although there might be different sects, it doesn't mean that only one is true and the other are false. Christianity just simply isn't like that

 

[جوري]

the Blessed Mother has made Her appearence at almost every Apostolic denomination i know. Apostilic is Catholic, Orthodox, Coptic, etc.

there's a common hadith in bukhari i think that says that there will be 73 different sects, and 72 of them, the followers will be in hell (because they supposingly won't following true islam.)

Christianity isn't like that. in fact, in 1 Timothy it speaks of Christians being together and such. and although there might be different sects, it doesn't mean that only one is true and the other are false. Christianity just simply isn't like that

cool, and good for you... blessings as you skip and hop down the primrose path...I am glad for you that Christianity is so allowing.. unfortunately, I keep reading, and the crescendo soars leading me to some climactic moment which is dashed to pieces, by the silliness of heaven paved for those that believe Jesus paid for their sins in advance, and that he G-D came down to give glad tiding to a woman, whom he impregnated with himself!
By the way just to add you can't really take a hadith and apply the parts you like and dismiss those you don't.. if Islam is false to you, you shouldn't be quoting its ahadith, if you are going to quote them, then please complete them since the same hadith states
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Book 40, Number 4579:
Narrated AbuHurayrah:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy-two sects; and the Christians were split up into seventy one or seventy-two sects; and my community will be split up into seventy-three sects.

from each only one is whom on the right path and the rest heretics-- so stop being a hypocrite, it is unbecoming!

peace!

 

[Pygoscelis]

By your standards, there really is no such thing as morality, no right and wrong.

Again, that depends on how you define morality. I believe that there is no such thing as objective morality independent of a thinking mind.

Thus, if I choose to hit you in the nose, you may not like it. And others may see me as dangerous, for fear that I might do the same to them. And the world might vote 6 billion to 1 to lock me up in prison and throw away the key. But that doesn't make my actions wrong, only unappreciated, just like your taste in art is unappreciated.

Semantics. To me and the 6 billion others it is wrong.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Again, that depends on how you define morality. I believe that there is no such thing as objective morality independent of a thinking mind.



Semantics. To me and the 6 billion others it is wrong.

But that is just subjective morality. Remember, "there is not objective morality independent of a thinking mind". You did not say a consensus of thinking minds, you said a thinking mind (singular). I agree with you. So, shall it be your mind, my mind, or God's mind? You vote out God, I vote out you. And without a God around left to vote, I guess that means there is no thinking mind left to determine objective morality, and we are back to morality being a matter of subjective opinion. Better watch out for your nose.

 

[ranma1/2]

the Blessed Mother has made Her appearence at almost every Apostolic denomination i know. Apostilic is Catholic, Orthodox, Coptic, etc.

there's a common hadith in bukhari i think that says that there will be 73 different sects, and 72 of them, the followers will be in hell (because they supposingly won't following true islam.)

Christianity isn't like that. in fact, in 1 Timothy it speaks of Christians being together and such. and although there might be different sects, it doesn't mean that only one is true and the other are false. Christianity just simply isn't like that

Perhaps your view of christianity, however i know many that say catholics, presbitarians, etc.. "fill in what ever form of christianity they arent" are not christians.

 

[barney]

Someone claimed to have read an Islamic word in a Kiwi fruit once, years ago. When you look at the clouds you see shapes, it's just imagination.
.

Or Ice Cream Wrappers

 

[August]

Perhaps your view of christianity, however i know many that say catholics, presbitarians, etc.. "fill in what ever form of christianity they arent" are not christians.

I have generally found that to be a minority view. Many Evangelical fundamentalists would not consider Catholics, Orthodox etc Christians, however a lot of conservative Evangelicals do consider them to be Christian. When I as a Catholic look out at the other denominations, I see many grave errors, but they are still Christians. They are our "separated brethren" not united with Rome, but still fellow Christians.

 

[Keltoi]

I have generally found that to be a minority view. Many Evangelical fundamentalists would not consider Catholics, Orthodox etc Christians, however a lot of conservative Evangelicals do consider them to be Christian. When I as a Catholic look out at the other denominations, I see many grave errors, but they are still Christians. They are our "separated brethren" not united with Rome, but still fellow Christians.

I believe the Catholic Church refers to this split as a "schism".

 

[Pygoscelis]

I guess that means there is no thinking mind left to determine objective morality

I don't think you understand my point of view. You're getting tied down in semantics. You speak of "objective morality". I say there is no such thing. Morality does not exist in a vacuum. If there were no minds to ponder moral values, morality would not exist.

But there are such minds and they do determine moral values. And they would nearly universally find your punching people in the nose to be bad. So, I'd advise against it unless you want to be carted off to jail for assault.

 

[barney]

Far Far away, there may be a planet where it is considerd the height of good manners to wake early in the morning, smack your family awake with a freindly and courteous baseball bat to the skull, then as a good deed, smash next doors Toyota up and spit in his face.

In this happy world, theres a few deviants who go around shaking hands and opening doors for people. They will quickly get the attention of the police and the derision of society.

 

[جوري]

catching the zone's marathon?

 

[barney]

Actually. It's not on a planet far far away.

It's called Leeds.:skeleton:

 

[Grace Seeker]

Perhaps your view of christianity, however i know many that say catholics, presbitarians, etc.. "fill in what ever form of christianity they arent" are not christians.

Really? Many? I know a few, and only a very few at that.

 

[Grace Seeker]

I don't think you understand my point of view. You're getting tied down in semantics. You speak of "objective morality". I say there is no such thing. Morality does not exist in a vacuum. If there were no minds to ponder moral values, morality would not exist.

But there are such minds and they do determine moral values. And they would nearly universally find your punching people in the nose to be bad. So, I'd advise against it unless you want to be carted off to jail for assault.

I do get your point. You don't get your own point. You say there is no objective morality. That means that all morality must be subjective. Subjective like in beauty. You say one thing is good and I say another is. In punching you in the nose, I would likely be hauled off to jail. Not because I had done anything objectively bad however, but simply because it was subjectively viewed that way by more people than those who didn't. The truth is, I'll bet that probably the majority of the 6 billion could care less if I punched you in the nose, as I long as I didn't also punch them in the nose. But the count of one side for and another side against a morality does not make it right or wrong, because as you say, there simply are no objective morals. And if there are no objective morals, then the whole concept of right and wrong is a complete sham. It is merely opinion and preference and nothing more. Whether you have fully understood that this IS the ultimate conclusion of your point I don't know. But it is where, by your system, morality both begins and ends, at the tip of one's nose.

I'm just proposing putting your system to the test, and you don't seem to like it. That doesn't surprise me. But who are you going to call on? There is no one out there to say that I am wrong. You can get all 6 billion to team up with you against me. But that doesn't make you right and me wrong. It just means that you are more persuasive, more charismatic, or more willing to bribe people than me. But that's OK. There is nothing right or wrong about any of those behaviors either, because there is no such thing as right or wrong in a world without objective morality. And the morality of the intelligent mind you propose isn't objective either, it is still very much subjective. Change the culture and I am sure that we can find one where punching people in the nose is perfectly acceptable, just like punching people in the arm is perfectly acceptable in Jr. High cultures.

Objective morality cannot be the result of many minds. It is the result of one mind, and you have excluded the possibility of such an objective mind being true. So we are left to our collective subjectivity. Something which has about as much meaning to me as beauty. It is in the eye or culture of the beholder.