Is the ONE GOD of Islam the same as the GOD of the Bible?

[vpb]

Jesus Christ acts like He is God and talks like He is God. He ressurected people from dead, He healed the sick, He multiplied food, He repented sins, He was killed and ressurected.]

Al Habeshi , don't you see? he is refering to Jesus as God, now don't we muslims believe Jesus a.s was a prophet? does this Jesus look the same God as Allah swt????

and now replying to you aron,

Jesus did those miracles, we don't reject them, but Allah swt gave the right to Jesus to perform these miracles in order to prove to people that he is the messenger of Allah. Just like other prophets who came with different miracles. now you might ask why jesus was given power to do these things but not other prophets, the answer is that during the times when prophets were sent, there was different mentality. at old times, magic was very famous, so that's why prophets of Allah performed miracles to show people, during the time of Muhammad saws, the language was the most famous, so He was given the Qur'an, the main miracle, or if we look today, language is not the most famous thing anymore, but it's science. so in order to challange a nation you have to be good in science, but at Muhammad's time was language, at Jesus's time was miracles. So just bc Jesus perfomed miracles it doesn't mean he is God, now you are pasting me verses from Bible to prove your point, but I don't want to offend u , but bible is not reliable, and we believe it has been corrupted. so it means that the beliefs of companions of Jesus didn't have the same beliefs as you do now.

Many Qur’anic stories can be traced to Jewish and Christian folktales and other apocryphal literature. For example a story of Abraham destroying idols (As-Saffat 37) is found in a Jewish folktale, the Midrash Rabbah. The Qur’anic story of Zachariah, father of John the Baptist, is based upon a second-century Christian fable. The story of Jesus being born under a palm tree is also based on a late fable, as is the story of Jesus making clay birds come alive. Everything the Qur’an says about the life of Jesus which is not found in the Bible can be traced to fables composed more than a hundred years after Jesus’ death.

so?? do you wanted Allah know to "lie" (astagfirullah) on these stories just in order to make it look different from bible or torah??? truth is truth, it doesn't matter wether it matches with bible or any other book. Allah swt sent the Qur'an to confirm the previous revelations (Bible(injeel) and the Tawrat(Torah) ) . It doesn't mean that bible was 100% corrupt, but enough to change it's fundamental belief to some other beliefs which Allah didn't tell His messenger to teach.

I mean that Muhammad found out about some fables and stories that came out after Jesus' death and Muhammad used it in writing Quaran. Thats why in Quaran there are so many places and people from the Bible, simply because muslim prophet Muhammad was in contact with christians for some time and he heard about it and then used it in Quaran. For exampe see-

Please I advise you to read more about Qur'an and Prophet Muhammed saws. if you would now about him you wouldn't speak this, unless you would want to be arrogant.

The Above Can Go For Muslims Also

we have "muslims" who have different beliefs, but we know what is the correct source . we don't have doubts what is the correct source to learn from

 

[vpb]

Are You Saysing All Muslims Adhere To The Same School Of Though ?

there is a difference beliving in different pieces of holy books, and beliving in one holy book but commenting it different in minor issues.
also we are talking about different commenting of minor issues. bc there is no school of thought who for ex. says "no it's not 5 daily prayer but 4". Schools of thoughts are just mercy from Allah swt.

 

[Amadeus85]

That's not true at all. Loads of christians differ on who Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) is. Some say he is god, some say he is the 'son' of god. Others say that he died, others say he never died.


All the christians have different beliefs, and the majority have their own personal beliefs which may even contradict the version or book they have.




Peace.

Im sorry to say this but you are an ignorant.Otherwise you dont know what you talk about or you purposely say not truth. All christians believe that Jesus Christ is Son of God and God in the same time, as God The Son is equal to God The Father. You say that all christians have different beliefs, but could you show some examples, except just talking? Actually christians dont differ about Christ, catholics, protestans, and orthodox agree that He is God in human flesh, sent on earth to die for our sins, and ressurected after 3 days.

 

[Amadeus85]

Jehovas witnesses?

Again and again, would you never learn and understand at last that jehovas witnesses are NOT christians, they dont even call themselves like that ! Saying that jehova witnesses are christians is like saying that Bahai are muslims.

 

[Amadeus85]

Dr zakir naik explained it very well.

I am sorry but i prefer to believe in the Bible than dr Naik

 

[- Qatada -]

Im sorry to say this but you are an ignorant.Otherwise you dont know what you talk about or you purposely say not truth. All christians believe that Jesus Christ is Son of God and God in the same time, as God The Son is equal to God The Father. You say that all christians have different beliefs, but could you show some examples, except just talking? Actually christians dont differ about Christ, catholics, protestans, and orthodox agree that He is God in human flesh, sent on earth to die for our sins, and ressurected after 3 days.

I've spoken to many different types of christians on the forum Aaron, i've even spoken to one who said that Jesus was god walking on earth.


I'll tell you where all the confusion lies though, - not even one person can explain how 3 = 1. That's because Allaah has created us in a way that we know that 3 can't equal 1, because 1 is 1, and 3 is 3. It's either singular, or more than that.


You know your Creator and Sustainer is One, and He is ALONE worthy of worship. So you don't need any intermediarries, if He gives you all you have in this world, you be thankful to Him, you be obedient to Him for all the good which He has given you. I wouldn't be pleased if i gave soo much good to one person, and they thanked another person instead for the good which I gave. If God/Allaah has given you ALL you have - then you need to be obedient to Him.

And (remember) when your Lord proclaimed: "If you give thanks (by accepting Faith and worshipping none but Allâh), I will give you more (of My Blessings), but if you are thankless (i.e. disbelievers), verily! My Punishment is indeed severe."

[Qur'an 14: 7]


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If someone is ungrateful to God, and associate others as partners with Him - then that is doing injustice, to yourself and to Allaah/God, your Provider and the One who created you when you were just a sperm drop.

Allaah says:

“O My slaves, all of you are astray except those whom I guide, so ask Me for guidance, and I will guide you. O My slaves, all of you are hungry except those whom I feed, so ask me for food and I will feed you. O My slaves, all of you are naked except those whom I clothe, so ask Me for clothing and I will clothe you. … O My slaves, if the first of you and the last of you, your humans and your jinn, were to stand on a single plain and ask of Me and I were to give each one what he asked for, that would not cause any loss to Me greater than what is lost when a needle is dipped into the sea.”

Narrated by Muslim (2577).


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Peace.

 

[- Qatada -]

Again and again, would you never learn and understand at last that jehovas witnesses are NOT christians, they dont even call themselves like that ! Saying that jehova witnesses are christians is like saying that Bahai are muslims.

I've never heard of that before, but sure - if you say that then sure. But how do you differentiate between which is the true denomination?

We as Muslims have the Authentic Qur'an and the Authentic Sunnah (Prophetic way) to differentiate between truth and falsehood.


What is the christian way to find out which is the true path?

 

[Amadeus85]

How can i believe that Quaran is not corrupted while Allah didnt manage to keep unchange his words in Injil and Tora?
How can a human being change Allah's word?
Man is like a little warm in comparission to God, so how can this little, weak creature corrupt the word of god?

 

[Amadeus85]

I've never heard of that before, but sure - if you say that then sure. But how do you differentiate between which is the true denomination?

We as Muslims have the Authentic Qur'an and the Authentic Sunnah (Prophetic way) to differentiate between truth and falsehood.


What is the christian way to find out which is the true path?

In christianity the difference between denominations is not based on the Jesus Christ issue. Because we all, catholics, orthodox, protestans believe that Christ is Son of God, who died on a cross for our sins and after 3 days He ressurected.

 

[vpb]

How can i believe that Quaran is not corrupted while Allah didnt manage to keep unchange his words in Jibril and Tora?

Injil not jibril don't worry

First, if you check the history of Qur'an, you will see that there wasn't any possible solution for Qur'an to be corrupted. It's not that Allah didn't manage to keep torah and injeel without being corrupted, but He got the 'contract' if we could call, that they wouldn't change the book, but they did, some intentionally, some unintentionally . but Allah swt, has decided to protect himself the Qur'an , since it is the book till the day of judgment. so now whoever tries, whether intentionally or unintentionally, they will not be able to.

How can a human being change Allah's word?

as I said on the above point, Allah got the troth (if is the right word, cuz english is my second language) from people that they will save it, but they changed it, for economic political, reasons. Also some did unintentionally.

Man is like a little warm in comparission to God, so how can this little, weak creature corrupt the word of god?

it seems your three question are the same. God knew that they were corrupting it, so that's why after Torah, he sent injeel to put people in the straight path, but they did same with bible, so Allah swt sent the Qur'an, which confirms the previous books, and it will remain unchanged till day of Judgement. bc Allah this time will protect Himself.

If you want to know more about the preservation of Qur'an, just shout and we will provide u with resources

 

[- Qatada -]

How can i believe that Quaran is not corrupted while Allah didnt manage to keep unchange his words in Jibril and Tora?
How can a human being change Allah's word?
Man is like a little warm in comparission to God, so how can this little, weak creature corrupt the word of god?

When Allaah sent the revelation to the Children of Israeel, they had to pass it onto the next generation. Usually through the scholars and the knowledgable. Allaah never promised to preserve their texts for them, since that was their duty. Why? Because they never had to convey the message to the rest of mankind, because that law was specifically for their people within that certain time in history.


When Allaah sent the message to His final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) - He made this message for all of humanity. As Allaah says:

"Say: 'O mankind! ! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided."

(Qur'an 7:158)


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So because Allaah had made this message for ALL of mankind, our duty is to convey the message clearly to the rest of mankind. Whereas for the Children of Israeel, it was their duty to preserve it but they never had to pass it on - their test was to keep it intact.


For the Qur'an, Allaah says:

Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur'ân) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)

[Qur'an 15: 9]



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Check any copy of Qur'an in the world today, whether it's from India, UK, China, Arabia or anywhere in the world - and ALL of them are intact, the same. And it is memorised by millions upon millions throughout the Islamic history.




Peace.

 

[vpb]

In christianity the difference between denominations is not based on the Jesus Christ issue. Because we all, catholics, orthodox, protestans believe that Christ is Son of God, who died on a cross for our sins and after 3 days He ressurected.

don't orthodox or protestant worship Mary?

 

[- Qatada -]

In christianity the difference between denominations is not based on the Jesus Christ issue. Because we all, catholics, orthodox, protestans believe that Christ is Son of God, who died on a cross for our sins and after 3 days He ressurected.

Okay thankyou, so this leads to the question - if someone stole some thousands of pounds, and the police came to your house to arrest you - would you go to jail for that first person? Would that be justice?


Personally i don't think that's fair. Since God is All Just - He wouldn't punish someone else for someone elses sins. You carry your own good deeds and sins, and i carry my own, and Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) has his own good, and he will be rewarded for that by Allaah on the Day of Judgement.


Every soul carries its own good deeds, and bad deeds. No soul bears the burden of another.




Peace.

 

[vpb]

also if we look the other way, when a child is born, basically he will have the sins that Adam made, based on your belief. Now let's say the child is still 2 years old. Now we know that without accepting Jesus as the savior, you have the sins, which you can't enter heaven, so u believe that you should believe in Jesus's blood in order for your sins to be paid. Now how about if the kid 2 years old, who can't still think and make decisions, die and go to heaven??? in this case, the kid dies without choosing christ as the savior and died with the sins. so the kid should go to hell (how fair is for the kid who still can;t decide or think clearly go to hell? how just is this?) now if we say, no God will forgive the kid's sin since he is a child or the kid will enter paradise with sins, then is the rule of beliving in Jesus's blood broken and excluded for kids?

that's why Allah swt told us that every human is born clean without sins, and born with the natural belief of beliving in one God. so if the kid dies, he is still clean and will go to heaven with having God make exclusions.

 

[Amadeus85]

don't orthodox or protestant worship Mary?

No, catholics ask Mary to intercede for them before God. Mary is important only as a mother of Christ.

 

[vpb]

No, catholics ask Mary to intercede for them before God. Mary is important only as a mother of Christ.

I didn't say they ask Mary to intercede, I said they worship Mary. there is a difference between intercession and worshipping.

 

[Amadeus85]

Okay thankyou, so this leads to the question - if someone stole some thousands of pounds, and the police came to your house to arrest you - would you go to jail for that first person? Would that be justice?


Personally i don't think that's fair. Since God is All Just - He wouldn't punish someone else for someone elses sins. You carry your own good deeds and sins, and i carry my own, and Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) has his own good, and he will be rewarded for that by Allaah on the Day of Judgement.


Every soul carries its own good deeds, and bad deeds. No soul bears the burden of another.




Peace.

Heaven is a perfect place and only perfect, sinless and with pure soul persons can go there. And are we sinless and perfect? No. Thats why someone sinless and perfect had to pay His life for us. So we can go to heaven if we believe in Him.

 

[Amadeus85]

I didn't say they ask Mary to intercede, I said they worship Mary. there is a difference between intercession and worshipping.

Listen, i am a catholic myselfe and i dont worship to Mary as to another God, but for catholics she is saint and she can intercede for us before God.

 

[vpb]

Heaven is a perfect place and only perfect, sinless and with pure soul persons can go there. And are we sinless and perfect? No. Thats why someone sinless and perfect had to pay His life for us. So we can go to heaven if we believe in Him.

this is not the point bro Qatada was making. his point was about inheriting adam's sin. how just is for us to inherit adam's sin when we did nothing?

 

[vpb]

Listen, i am a catholic myselfe and i dont worship to Mary as to another God, but for catholics she is saint and she can intercede for us before God.

ye I know, but certainly orthodox or protestant they worship Mary. one of them.