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However, they do not get the required attention since we've seen the media portraying Islaam is something evil for quite a while now.

Hello,

Isnt it starting to get bit old to always blame media, because, in all honesty, I havent seen anything in media that shows muslims/islam so negative as the hordes of muslim (not all muslims, but I use the word horde, because they seem to be so many in numbers) posters in these forums who, among other things, wish for death to people based on their sexual preference, post page after page crazy conspiracy theories and blame everything and all on the evil west, celebrate child killers as heroes, have no problem labelling other religious groups as rapists and so on.
 
Hello,

Isnt it starting to get bit old to always blame media, because, in all honesty, I havent seen anything in media that shows muslims/islam so negative as the hordes of muslim (not all muslims, but I use the word horde, because they seem to be so many in numbers) posters in these forums who, among other things, wish for death to people based on their sexual preference, post page after page crazy conspiracy theories and blame everything and all on the evil west, celebrate child killers as heroes, have no problem labelling other religious groups as rapists and so on.


Hi.


Isn't it old to continuously label the people who do acts against Islaam as 'Islamic terrorism'? - you may get tired of the argument, and i get tired of the continuous hatred which it portrays.


There are many people who say evil about Islaam (yes, i'm using the argument again.) Yet there are people who do so from both sides, so if some muslims say evil, and promote the killing of children [which is against Islamic teachings] - then there are also people who aren't muslims who may say similar, that still doesn't mean it's right.





Peace.
 
May Allah unite this Ummah, Aameen.

While Yasir Arafat and Shaykh Yaseen were alive, Palestinians were united, I don't think they killed each other as now Hamas and Fatah kill each other shamelessly. All they lack is leadership. Unfortunately both Fatah and Hamas are playing in the hands of Enemies, one at the hand of Kuffar and the other at the hand of Munafiqeen. I think it was a wrong decision for Hamas to come to politics, Shaykh Yaseen didn't do that in his life. Now we have two corrupt people, Hamas and Fatah both. They should have been attacking Tyrant Kuffar but they are killing each other, what a shame! Even Kashmiris in the subcontinent are not as worse as Palestinians are proving to be.
 
:sl:/Peace To All

The PLO Doesn't Represent Me

By Khalid Amayreh
In occupied East Jerusalem
June 23, 2007
ThePeoplesVoice

“The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) is an illegal and illusory entity.”
These are the words of Farouq al Qaddumi, head of the PLO political department, as reported by several news agencies this week.

The veteran Fatah leader living in exile is telling the truth. In fact, the PLO ceased to exist as a viable and relevant body a long time ago. Its detachment from reality, internal disintegration and monopoly by the Fatah organization reduced it to marginal significance.

And when the self-rule Palestinian Authority (PA) was established following the conclusion of the hapless Oslo Accords in 1993, the PLO was more or less consigned to the museum of history, with most of its representatives and symbols coalescing into the western-backed PA.

The same thing can be said about the so-called Palestinian National Council (PNC), another unrepresentative body which Fatah uses as a rubber stamp to pass its controversial decisions, e.g. annulling the Palestinian National Charter for free in order to appease Israel and America.

Today, whenever the widely-despised champions of Oslo, people like Yasser Abed Rabbo, et al, who have long lost any significant support among Palestinians, want to show their defiance and disdain of the collective will of the Palestinian people, whether at home or in the Diaspora, all they have to do is invoke the sacrosanct mantra, namely that the PLO is the sole and legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.

Well, this time-worn mantra is acceptable no more.

The PLO, after all, is not an immortal idol that is not subject to change; it is not above the will of the people and certainly it is not a Holy Quran or a Holy Bible.

True, two or three decades ago, especially during the 1970s and 1980s, the PLO was viewed by many Palestinians as the chief representative of the Palestinian people, mainly because it championed the Palestinian national cause.

But now, things have changed.

There are other forces that are shouldering the national cause, such as Hamas which defeated the PLO, e.g. Fatah, in the 2006 legislative elections.

In fact, I dare predict that if similar elections were to be held among Palestinian refugees in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, Hamas would again score election victories over a petrified and unreformed PLO.

I don’t deny that the once upon a time the PLO had a certain historical legitimacy. But that was a long time a go, whereas today the only acceptable legitimacy is the legitimacy of the ballot boxes, of which the PLO is almost totally bereft.

Indeed, if historical achievements, of which the PLO made very little anyway, were the determining factor of legitimacy, then Winston Churchill would have remained Prime Minister of the UK for life on the ground that he led Britain to victory over Nazi Germany and therefore deserved a special treatment by the British people.
Undoubtedly, there are other objective issues that make the beholder question the legitimacy, even relevance, of a half-dead anachronistic organization that has a skeleton but very little flesh, if any, and certainly no soul.

It is well known that the PLO Leadership is not an elected body.

Even Mahmoud Abbas, the American-backed PA Chairman, was elected by a small minority of Palestinians (less than 10%) in 2005.

The rest of PLO leaders, most of them in their positions for decades, have no electoral legitimacy whatsoever. Notwithstanding, they have the audacity to claim that they represent the Palestinian people.

But, in truth, they don’t.

Indeed, in light of the undemocratic decisions taken by the PLO executive committee recently, any Palestinian is prompted to ask the following questions:

Who elected Yasser Abed Rabbo to represent the Palestinian people?

Who elected Samir Ghoushe?

Who elected the heads of these tiny groups whose followers can barely fill two or three mini buses to capacity.?

Who elected these people whose names most Palestinians no longer remember.?

Who made them trustees and overseers over the Palestinian people and its enduring cause?

The answer is clear.

These people are remnants of the cold war era who should stop claiming to be the sole and legitimate representatives of the Palestinian people.

If they are interested in legitimizing their acclaimed but mendacious titles, let them contend a free and fair election so that either earn the confidence of the people, or relieve and be relieved.

Secondly, the PLO has been more or less a dormant body for many years, a body that is only remembered whenever the need to suppress the will of the people arises as is the case these days.

Thirdly, the vast bulk of the PLO is now based in the West Bank in the shadow of Israeli tanks and soldiers.

This means that the PLO is as pliant and subservient to the will of the occupier as is the PA.

This alone should make it devoid of legitimacy and honor.

PLO defenders ( or, more correctly, “PLO beneficiaries) would invoke the so-called revolutionary legitimacy.

Well, what revolutionary legitimacy are they talking about?

The PLO today happens to be controlled and manipulated by people who happen to be squarely in the American (Zionist) lap, people who have lost every shred of legitimacy if only because they have chosen the “American-Israeli legitimacy” at the expense of their people and their just cause.

Indeed, a PLO that is at America’s beck and call has no legitimacy whatsoever.

A PLO that constantly seeks to appease America and Israel by undoing the outcome of democratic elections is not legitimate.

More to the point, a PLO that signals its willingness to compromise on paramount Palestinians national rights, such as the Right of Return and Jerusalem, loses whatever legitimacy it may have.
I am certainly not calling for dismantling the PLO. However, it is clear that the PLO must be revived and reformed in order to truly reflect the true will of the Palestinian masses.

Otherwise, it will continue to be an irrelevant body, no matter how many times its name is invoked to justify and “legitimize” every act of betrayal and treachery committed in the name of our struggle against Israeli apartheid and occupation.

© 2007 Khalid Amayreh

Source:
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/06/23/p17790
 
I think the only credible people in the sitiuation are Hamas. Iam sorry but iam sick of seeing people giving stupid opinions that have been formulated by what they see on TV. Come on people dont rely on that box!!! Go and do your research and you will find that Fatah are the ones that have made it extremely difficult for Hamas to operate and adhere to the Mecca agreement. They have been stiring trouble since day 1. Yes Hamas could of handled the situation better, but its realy shameful to see the double standards of the west and Arab nations when they turned their back on the DEMOCRATICALY elected Hamas.

I see that the main Sheikh in Ageria has lent his support to Hamas, well thats good to know. Isnt it about time that we recognise them and also realise that they are hear to STAY! How long will you ignore Hamas the peoples party.
 
I think the only credible people in the sitiuation are Hamas. Iam sorry but iam sick of seeing people giving stupid opinions that have been formulated by what they see on TV. Come on people dont rely on that box!!! Go and do your research and you will find that Fatah are the ones that have made it extremely difficult for Hamas to operate and adhere to the Mecca agreement. They have been stiring trouble since day 1. Yes Hamas could of handled the situation better, but its realy shameful to see the double standards of the west and Arab nations when they turned their back on the DEMOCRATICALY elected Hamas.

I see that the main Sheikh in Ageria has lent his support to Hamas, well thats good to know. Isnt it about time that we recognise them and also realise that they are hear to STAY! How long will you ignore Hamas the peoples party.

Israel is there to stay too, that creates the problem with an organization who has the destruction of Israel written into their charter. Doesn't matter whether they are democratically elected or not.
 
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Yes we know that Israel is hear to stay and i also think that Hamas know that to. You know that Hamas cannot do much to Isreal, if this nation was realy intrested in peace than they would deal with Hamas the MAIN political leader in Palestine.
 
Are you afraid to die?
It's death. Either by killing or by cancer,
it's the same thing.
We are all waiting for the last day of our lives.
Nothing will be changed.
If it is by apache or by cardiac arrest.
I prefer it to be by apache!

Dr. 'Abdel Aziz al-Rantisi, one of the seven founders of Hamas. He was killed when a US-made Apache helicopter fired seven missiles on his car, also killing two passersby - a mother and her five-year-old daughter.

You cant mess with these people.

Its the real deal. May Allah bless their struggle. Ameen
 
Are you afraid to die?
It's death. Either by killing or by cancer,
it's the same thing.
We are all waiting for the last day of our lives.
Nothing will be changed.
If it is by apache or by cardiac arrest.
I prefer it to be by apache!

Dr. 'Abdel Aziz al-Rantisi, one of the seven founders of Hamas. He was killed when a US-made Apache helicopter fired seven missiles on his car, also killing two passersby - a mother and her five-year-old daughter.

You cant mess with these people.

Its the real deal. May Allah bless their struggle. Ameen

You can't mess with who? Hamas? Israel has been "messing" with them for many years, and Hamas has been "messing' with Israel for many years. If you are "brave" enough to call for another nation's destruction, be brave enough to accept the consequences. Looks like he got his wish about dying by an Apache.
 
Ameen, i just hope that Gaza does not remain islolated and the west start to deal with Hamas.....that is the least they deserve!
 
Robert Fisk: Welcome to 'Palestine'

Published: 16 June 2007

How troublesome the Muslims of the Middle East are. First, we demand that the Palestinians embrace democracy and then they elect the wrong party - Hamas - and then Hamas wins a mini-civil war and presides over the Gaza Strip. And we Westerners still want to negotiate with the discredited President, Mahmoud Abbas. Today "Palestine" - and let's keep those quotation marks in place - has two prime ministers. Welcome to the Middle East.

Who can we negotiate with? To whom do we talk? Well of course, we should have talked to Hamas months ago. But we didn't like the democratically elected government of the Palestinian people. They were supposed to have voted for Fatah and its corrupt leadership. But they voted for Hamas, which declines to recognise Israel or abide by the totally discredited Oslo agreement.

No one asked - on our side - which particular Israel Hamas was supposed to recognise. The Israel of 1948? The Israel of the post-1967 borders? The Israel which builds - and goes on building - vast settlements for Jews and Jews only on Arab land, gobbling up even more of the 22 per cent of "Palestine" still left to negotiate over ?

And so today, we are supposed to talk to our faithful policeman, Mr Abbas, the "moderate" (as the BBC, CNN and Fox News refer to him) Palestinian leader, a man who wrote a 600-page book about Oslo without once mentioning the word "occupation", who always referred to Israeli "redeployment" rather than "withdrawal", a "leader" we can trust because he wears a tie and goes to the White House and says all the right things. The Palestinians didn't vote for Hamas because they wanted an Islamic republic - which is how Hamas's bloody victory will be represented - but because they were tired of the corruption of Mr Abbas's Fatah and the rotten nature of the "Palestinian Authority".

I recall years ago being summoned to the home of a PA official whose walls had just been punctured by an Israeli tank shell. All true. But what struck me were the gold-plated taps in his bathroom. Those taps - or variations of them - were what cost Fatah its election. Palestinians wanted an end to corruption - the cancer of the Arab world - and so they voted for Hamas and thus we, the all-wise, all-good West, decided to sanction them and starve them and bully them for exercising their free vote. Maybe we should offer "Palestine" EU membership if it would be gracious enough to vote for the right people?

All over the Middle East, it is the same. We support Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan, even though he keeps warlords and drug barons in his government (and, by the way, we really are sorry about all those innocent Afghan civilians we are killing in our "war on terror" in the wastelands of Helmand province).

We love Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, whose torturers have not yet finished with the Muslim Brotherhood politicians recently arrested outside Cairo, whose presidency received the warm support of Mrs - yes Mrs - George W Bush - and whose succession will almost certainly pass to his son, Gamal.

We adore Muammar Gaddafi, the crazed dictator of Libya whose werewolves have murdered his opponents abroad, whose plot to murder King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia preceded Tony Blair's recent visit to Tripoli - Colonel Gaddafi, it should be remembered, was called a "statesman" by Jack Straw for abandoning his non-existent nuclear ambitions - and whose "democracy" is perfectly acceptable to us because he is on our side in the "war on terror".

Yes, and we love King Abdullah's unconstitutional monarchy in Jordan, and all the princes and emirs of the Gulf, especially those who are paid such vast bribes by our arms companies that even Scotland Yard has to close down its investigations on the orders of our prime minister - and yes, I can indeed see why he doesn't like The Independent's coverage of what he quaintly calls "the Middle East". If only the Arabs - and the Iranians - would support our kings and shahs and princes whose sons and daughters are educated at Oxford and Harvard, how much easier the "Middle East" would be to control.

For that is what it is about - control - and that is why we hold out, and withdraw, favours from their leaders. Now Gaza belongs to Hamas, what will our own elected leaders do? Will our pontificators in the EU, the UN, Washington and Moscow now have to talk to these wretched, ungrateful people (fear not, for they will not be able to shake hands) or will they have to acknowledge the West Bank version of Palestine (Abbas, the safe pair of hands) while ignoring the elected, militarily successful Hamas in Gaza?

It's easy, of course, to call down a curse on both their houses. But that's what we say about the whole Middle East. If only Bashar al-Assad wasn't President of Syria (heaven knows what the alternative would be) or if the cracked President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad wasn't in control of Iran (even if he doesn't actually know one end of a nuclear missile from the other).

If only Lebanon was a home-grown democracy like our own little back-lawn countries - Belgium, for example, or Luxembourg. But no, those pesky Middle Easterners vote for the wrong people, support the wrong people, love the wrong people, don't behave like us civilised Westerners.

So what will we do? Support the reoccupation of Gaza perhaps? Certainly we will not criticise Israel. And we shall go on giving our affection to the kings and princes and unlovely presidents of the Middle East until the whole place blows up in our faces and then we shall say - as we are already saying of the Iraqis - that they don't deserve our sacrifice and our love.

How do we deal with a coup d'état by an elected government?
 
Israel is there to stay too, that creates the problem with an organization who has the destruction of Israel written into their charter. Doesn't matter whether they are democratically elected or not.
If they have destruction of Israeel written on their charter that's their right of the survival. Why shouldn't they want to destroy those who have only been destroying them for decades?
 
"Which particular Israel Hamas was supposed to recognise. The Israel of 1948? The Israel of the post-1967 borders? The Israel which builds - and goes on building - vast settlements for Jews and Jews only on Arab land, gobbling up even more of the 22 per cent of "Palestine" still left to negotiate over ?"
 
One more point, why should Palestine recognise Israel.....Israel should recognise Palestine first. It is this recognition of people that where the original occupants that will lead to peace.
 
One more point, why should Palestine recognise Israel.....Israel should recognise Palestine first. It is this recognition of people that where the original occupants that will lead to peace.
Why should any one do any thing to start the peace process. :skeleton:

After all it is clear that isn't what either want. :raging:
 
One more point, why should Palestine recognise Israel.....Israel should recognise Palestine first. It is this recognition of people that where the original occupants that will lead to peace.

The Israeli government has agreed to a two-state solution with an independent Palestine.
 
I want to ask those who defend Israel .. did you read the protocols of the learned eldes of zion?
 

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