Hamas Full Control Of Gaza!

[Keltoi]

I want to ask those who defend Israel .. did you read the protocols of the learned eldes of zion?

I would laugh hysterically at this question...if it wasn't so depressing.

 

[Trumble]

I want to ask those who defend Israel .. did you read the protocols of the learned eldes of zion?

Oh, good grief. Don't say that rubbish is still being peddled in your part of the world? It's a totally fraudulent piece of anti-semetic trash.

Continued usage of the Protocols as an antisemitic propaganda tool substantially diminished with the defeat of the Nazis in World War II. It is still frequently quoted and reprinted by some antisemitic circles, and is sometimes used as evidence of an alleged Jewish cabal, especially in the Middle East.

I guess Wiki was right on the last bit.

 

[SATalha]

The Israeli government has agreed to a two-state solution with an independent Palestine.

Yes but why dont they deal with Hamas? oh yeah they want to destroy the state that destroyed them....i forgot sorry. I mean the whole argument is fluad in the sense that you are accusing the provoked and saying "hey why are you so mad". Use logic in you argument and understand that Israel are acting in a very demeaning, arogant and cruel way. The amount of Human rights abuse the Palestinian people have endured is ridiculous.

 

[Trumble]

Yes but why dont they deal with Hamas?

Because Hamas refuses to acknowledge the right of the State of Israel to exist and are committed to its destruction. Whatever the reasons for Hamas taking that position, which I do understand, it is totally illogical from the Israeli point of view to deal with them while they continue to do so.

 

[SATalha]

Man how many times have heard that? Trust me their are other reasons why Israel wont deal with Hamas. Its coz there not puppies like Fatah.

 

[Amadeus85]

I want to ask those who defend Israel .. did you read the protocols of the learned eldes of zion?

Dont you know that these protocols is just a false anti semitist propaganda made in Russia about 100 years ago to increase the hatred against Jews?
Its sad that you mention this, because also German nazis were using the same argument about the notorious Protocols.

 

[Keltoi]

Man how many times have heard that? Trust me their are other reasons why Israel wont deal with Hamas. Its coz there not puppies like Fatah.

Maybe the reason you hear that all the time is because it is the logical assumption to make. I think have a clear understanding of what a "puppy" is to you, and that is any person or organization who wants some kind of peace deal with Israel. If you follow your own logic to its conclusion, I think you know full well why Israel isn't dealing with Hamas.

 

[Amadeus85]

How can Israel talk with Hamas, while Hamas wants to destroy Israel and create an islamic state in the historical Palestina territory.

 

[Trumble]

Man how many times have heard that?

Do you not think there might be a reason for that?

Look at it this way. Imagine Israel agrees to talk with Hamas but has this in their constitution;

"There will be no Palestinian State, ever. We will allow money and aid to reach all 'Palestinians', and will provide more, but only if Gaza and the West Bank are absorbed into the State of Israel. All 'Palestinians' will be welcomed as citizens of Israel should they choose, and we will ship any who don't to the US or Europe."

Would Hamas 'deal' with Israel, do you think? Thought not.

 

[SATalha]

Maybe the reason you hear that all the time is because it is the logical assumption to make. I think have a clear understanding of what a "puppy" is to you, and that is any person or organization who wants some kind of peace deal with Israel. If you follow your own logic to its conclusion, I think you know full well why Israel isn't dealing with Hamas.

Sorry did i hit a nerv? You know at the end of the day we can see that Hamas have been the party who are truely wanting to represent that Palestinian people whole-heartdly and have the less corruption in their party. I mean their political members are elected by the supporters. Where else does that happen and they have non-muslims in their cabinet. You know why they are like this? its bcoz they have a strong sense of Islam in their party thats why.

 

[Keltoi]

Sorry did i hit a nerv? You know at the end of the day we can see that Hamas have been the party who are truely wanting to represent that Palestinian people whole-heartdly and have the less corruption in their party. I mean their political members are elected by the supporters. Where else does that happen and they have non-muslims in their cabinet. You know why they are like this? its bcoz they have a strong sense of Islam in their party thats why.

Struck a nerv? Not at all. Although your post has nothing to do with Hamas in the context of a peace deal with Israel.

 

[SATalha]

Do you not think there might be a reason for that?

Look at it this way. Imagine Israel agrees to talk with Hamas but has this in their constitution;

"There will be no Palestinian State, ever. We will allow money and aid to reach all 'Palestinians', and will provide more, but only if Gaza and the West Bank are absorbed into the State of Israel. All 'Palestinians' will be welcomed as citizens of Israel should they choose, and we will ship any who don't to the US or Europe."

Would Hamas 'deal' with Israel, do you think? Thought not.

You know in these kind of sitiuation one needs to look at the party with the most power. Come one realisticaly how will Hamas destroy Israel? they cant. So on that basis Isreal shoudl stop haulting at these technicalities and move towards real peace by dealing with the LEGITIMATE part Hamas.

 

[SATalha]

Struck a nerv? Not at all. Although your post has nothing to do with Hamas in the context of a peace deal with Israel.

I was just highlighting the reasons why Hamas are good enough for Isreal to broker a peace deal. These are valid reasons to why Isreal should deal with Hamas.

 

[Trumble]

Come one realisticaly how will Hamas destroy Israel? they cant. So on that basis Isreal shoudl stop haulting at these technicalities and move towards real peace by dealing with the LEGITIMATE part Hamas.

By exactly the same reasoning Hamas should "stop haulting at these technicalities and move towards real peace by dealing with the LEGITIMATE" State of Israel.

You know in these kind of sitiuation one needs to look at the party with the most power.

So according to your own reasoning (again) Hamas being less powerful have more to gain by a deal than Israel. So is it not up to them to make the first move by recognising the right of the State of Israel to exist as we both agree failing to do so serves no practical purpose?

 

[SATalha]

do you think if Hamas recognise the state of Isreal, Isreal would start talks with Hamas?

 

[Keltoi]

do you think if Hamas recognise the state of Isreal, Isreal would start talks with Hamas?

It would be a good start, a better sign of good faith would be if rockets stopped being fired into Israel. Nothing says I'm interested in peace more than an absence of rocket fire.

 

[SATalha]

Humm maybe they shuld just stop killing the palestinians first? But ur right maybe it wud be good 4 hamas 2 stop the rockets.

 

[Keltoi]

Humm maybe they shuld just stop killing the palestinians first? But ur right maybe it wud be good 4 hamas 2 stop the rockets.

Israel should stop killing Palestinians and Hamas should stop killing Israelis. Of course alot of things "should" happen.

 

[Zman]

Hamas volunatrily ceased firing rockets at Irsael for one year.

That gesture of good faith & confidence builder, was met by continous Israeli assassinations of Hamas members and the bombarding of Gaza.

Hamas also offered a 10 year truce (which was a hell of great gesture & a measure of Hamas' seriousness), which was rejected by Israel. I guess the Israeli government prefers to see it's people killed, instead.

Israel doesn't want peace, and at every opportunity where peace can be achieved, Israel chooses violence...

 

[Keltoi]

Hamas volunatrily ceased firing rockets at Irsael for one year.

That gesture of good faith & confidence builder, was met by continous Israeli assassinations of Hamas members and the bombarding of Gaza.

Hamas also offered a 10 year truce (which was a hell of great gesture & a measure of Hamas' seriousness), which was rejected by Israel. I guess the Israeli government prefers to see it's people killed, instead.

Israel doesn't want peace, and at every opportunity where peace can be achieved, Israel chooses violence...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53861

But top Hamas officials and spokesmen for the terror group told WND the truce was meant to show some flexibility to the international community. They said Hamas' goal of destroying Israel had not changed, and that the terror group has a 10-year plan to build a large army and defeat the Jewish state.

Yeah, sounded like a great deal.