Who is the Trinity to Christians & Muslims?

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Nonsense!

any primary school child knows the difference between god and God when looking at written form

and any Aalim worth his salt knows that rabb does not translate to either god or God

only a google scholar who had no grounding in English whatsoever will translate as "There is no diety of worship But Allah"

If one wants to put tafsir within the translation then one does it as follows:

There is no god [Illah(a deity worthy of worship)] but Allah (The God)
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:bravo: as you say :bravo:

I am stupid you are smart :) ;D
 
alapiana1 said:
The person you were disrespectful to never called you any names. What are you talking about. It doesn't matter how someone acts toward you anyway, What is important is the way you act toward them. Besides, I didn't see any Christian or Muslim insult you. You gave some good advice about respect to follow.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Step off
 
( 1 ) Plus ( 1) Plus 1
God The Father God The Son God The Holy Ghost
Three Cannot Go Into One ,If Yashu'a Was God How Could He Forsaken Himself (Matthew 27 ; 46 ... Mark 15; 34 ) And If He Was God Who Was He Calling Out To Himself ? I Thought God So Loved The World , That He Sent His Son To Die For You .. If That's True As John 3; 16 Says , Then Jesus Had Nothing To Do With It It Was That Father That Sent Him . In Matthew 6 ; 9 As Jesus Say '' Our Father Who Art In Heaven '' Because Jesus Say In John 13 ; 16 '' I Am Not Greater Than He Who Sent Me '' And In John 5; 30 He Says Again That '' I On My Own Accord Can Do Nothing '' Call No Man Father , Because There Is One Father Who Art In Heaven And Jesus Says Clearly In Matthew 23; 9 '' And Call No Man Your Father Upon The Earth

And If It Was About His Father's Will Then Why Did Jesus SAy In Matthew 26; 38 >> If Be Possible Let This Cup Pass By Me ; Nevertheless Not As I Will , But As Thou Wilt ''
Let Me Point Out A Few Points From Your Bible Stating That Jesus Couldn't Possibly Be God ..

Mark 15 ; 34 >> Jesus cried out with a loud voice My God , My God Why have thou Forsaken Me . <<< If Jesus was God who could he be praying to if he is the only God , and to cry is a human Weakness .
Mathew 4; 1 >>Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil << If Jesus was God how could the devil Possibly be able to tempt him without him knowing >> And What Could The Devil Possibly Offer The Creator Of Everything .


Luke 2; 49 >> That I Must Be About My Father's Business '>> If Jesus Was God Why Did He Say I Must Be Of My Fathers Business , He Indicated . [ The Distinction Between Him And His Father .


There Is No Way To Have A Trinity Without First Separating Each Of The Three Things Indivdually To Declare Then A Trinity . By That I Mean , You Have To First Establish That There Is A Father One Thing And A Son Another Thing And A Holy Ghost The Thrid Thing , In order For These Things To Totally Mix And Become One Thing . They Would Have To Start Off Equal In Rank , Quantity . Space , Density , Authority , Or Existence . In Admitting That The Son Came From The Father , Time Make The Difference , The Father Would Have To Had Been First , Before The Son . This Would Make Them Unequal And Incapable Of Becoming A Balanced Triad . No It Did Not Mean That When It Said God The Father ,,, God The Son , And God The Holy Ghost = One God .. Because Three Cannot Go Into One
 
Just a question ok .
'' GOD '' God '' or '' god '' What Is The Difference ?
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I think the same difference as when using 'he', 'He' and 'HE'.
 
Now Thats Funny
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why?
 
:sl: to those who follow the Path of Allah (ta'ala)

According to the Bible, Jesus (peace upon him) is a servant of Allah (ta'ala), so how can he be God? Of course not. :astagfiru
 
MadeenJibreel said:
According to the Bible, Jesus (peace upon him) is a servant of Allah (ta'ala), so how can he be God? Of course not.
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Do you have a maid or manservant in your own household? Let's assume you do. Are they any less human than YOU, simply because they are serving you? Or your wife, if you have one, is she any less human than you, simply because she serves you your supper? Since when do we determine a person's essence, substance, or nature by whether they serve another?

Matt. 20:
20. Then the mother of Zebedee's sons came to Him with her sons, kneeling down and asking something from Him.
21. And He said to her, "What do you wish?'' She said to Him, "Grant that these two sons of mine may sit, one on Your right hand and the other on the left, in Your kingdom.''
22. But Jesus answered and said, "You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?'' They said to Him, "We are able.''
23. So He said to them, "You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father.''
24. And when the ten heard it, they were moved with indignation against the two brothers.
25. But Jesus called them to Himself and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them.
26. "Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant.
27. "And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave
28. "just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.''

My question to you is this: If you really believe the first part (Jesus came to serve), why don't you believe the last part (and to give His life a ransom for many)?
 
Phil12123 said:
Do you have a maid or manservant in your own household? Let's assume you do. Are they any less human than YOU, simply because they are serving you? Or your wife, if you have one, is she any less human than you, simply because she serves you your supper? Since when do we determine a person's essence, substance, or nature by whether they serve another?

Matt. 20:
20. Then the mother of Zebedee's sons came to Him with her sons, kneeling down and asking something from Him.
21. And He said to her, "What do you wish?'' She said to Him, "Grant that these two sons of mine may sit, one on Your right hand and the other on the left, in Your kingdom.''
22. But Jesus answered and said, "You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?'' They said to Him, "We are able.''
23. So He said to them, "You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father.''
24. And when the ten heard it, they were moved with indignation against the two brothers.
25. But Jesus called them to Himself and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them.
26. "Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant.
27. "And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave
28. "just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.''

My question to you is this: If you really believe the first part (Jesus came to serve), why don't you believe the last part (and to give His life a ransom for many)?
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Pls get over it.
Isa (Jesus, son of Mary, who had no father), is a servant of Allah (ta'ala).

Second thing: what did Jesus (pbuh) create? Show me 1 single verse from the Bible quoting that he created something.
 
Third thing: if Jesus (pbuh) really died for your sins, then you surely have no logic. Why would Almighty sacrifice an innocent soul?

Fourth thing: (cont. from the previous bullet) What happens to those ppl who lived way before Jesus? Surely they didn't know him, so they couldn't have believe in him, so happens to their "salvation"?

Fifth: How come Jesus' name is never, not once, mentioned in the Old Testament?

And the last: "Hear oh Israel...your Lord thy God is ONE." (pls don't even try to explain this, coz nobody can explain that)
 
MadeenJibreel said:
Pls get over it.
Isa (Jesus, son of Mary, who had no father), is a servant of Allah (ta'ala).

Second thing: what did Jesus (pbuh) create? Show me 1 single verse from the Bible quoting that he created something.
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. . Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. (NASB) 1 Corinthians 8:6

All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. (NASB) John 1:3

But of the Son He says, "THY THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER . . . And, "THOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING DIDST LAY THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF THY HANDS . . . (NASB) Hebrews 1:1-2, 8-10

That took about 20 seconds....
 
Keltoi said:
. . Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. (NASB) 1 Corinthians 8:6

All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. (NASB) John 1:3

But of the Son He says, "THY THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER . . . And, "THOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING DIDST LAY THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF THY HANDS . . . (NASB) Hebrews 1:1-2, 8-10

That took about 20 seconds....
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You mean this:

4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one. 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Sorry pal, read again: it says THINGS CAME THRU HIM, IT DOESN'T SAY HE IS THE CREATOR (BTW: of course I don't believe either of the 2 statements)

Is that all you have in your arsenal?
 
MadeenJibreel said:
Sorry pal, read again: it says THINGS CAME THRU HIM, IT DOESN'T SAY HE IS THE CREATOR (BTW: of course I don't believe either of the 2 statements)

Is that all you have in your arsenal?
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See, you gotta big mystery there: gzillions of the Bible versions, even the English ones have completely different meanings of the same verse!!!!

Check it out yourself. So which one is correct? Coz both cannot be true. It's either none, 1st or the 2nd. See a point? :D
 
i don't believe in the trinity. i believe in one god.
but, please try to be respectful, no matter how much you disagree.
thanks. :statisfie
 
MadeenJibreel said:
Pls get over it.
Isa (Jesus, son of Mary, who had no father), is a servant of Allah (ta'ala).

My question to you is this: If you really believe the first part (Jesus came to serve), why don't you believe the last part (and to give His life a ransom for many)?
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You like to ask a lot of questions, but your answer to my ONE question is, "Pls get over it"???? Aren't you glad I don't follow your example? Or perhaps you don't really ask all your questions with a serious desire to learn but just to challenge Christians but not be challenged back by them. You've already got your preconceived ideas and don't want to be bothered by any new ideas, any expanding of the intellectual horizon of your mind. All of your questions have easy Christian answers and I am almost tempted to ignore them, like you ignored mine. But that would be returning evil for evil, which Christians are not supposed to do. So....

MadeenJibreel said:
Second thing: what did Jesus (pbuh) create? Show me 1 single verse from the Bible quoting that he created something.
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One single verse? That's easy:

John 1:3 --- All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Would you like another?

Colossians 1:16 --- For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
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MadeenJibreel said:
See, you gotta big mystery there: gzillions of the Bible versions, even the English ones have completely different meanings of the same verse!!!!

Check it out yourself. So which one is correct? Coz both cannot be true. It's either none, 1st or the 2nd. See a point? :D
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There is no different meaning, although in Greek this phrase has no verb, so you have to infer the meaning from the preposition "eis", so another meaning could be "To Whom we return". There is no doubt that this phrase is in reference to Christ's role in creation. Meaning God's role of course.
 
Keltoi said:
There is no different meaning, although in Greek this phrase has no verb, so you have to infer the meaning from the preposition "eis", so another meaning could be "To Whom we return". There is no doubt that this phrase is in reference to Christ's role in creation. Meaning God's role of course.
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Could be, could be....that's all you have Christians. Statements you're not sure about, following ex-Christian murderer a.k.a. Paul who supposedly had a supposed vision in a supposed desert to a supposed road to Damascus.

One cannot trust the Bible, and the Bible as it exists now surely is not the word of The Creator of this very Universe.

And PS You're not only lying on Allah (ta'ala), but you're also lying on His messenger Jesus, peace upon him.
 

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