Debate for my Muslim friends

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ISLAMASWEENEY said:
The truth is Somalia was without a goverment for at least 15 years then in june or may 2006 the Islamic courts took Mogadishu and for 6 months while they were ruling Somalia there was no violence or bloodshed but as soon as they were removed from power by us puppet Ethiopia along with the Somalian goverment which is a puppet to not only Ethiopia but of course America the Islamic courts union ruled Somalia perfectly but now Somalia is out of control again thanks to America well done again BUSH you war criminal.
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Ethiopia has its own beef with the Islamic Courts Union though, independent of the US counter-terrorist involvement. I reminds me of an old Dutch proverb: "A good neighbor is more valuable than a far friend"!
 
Ethiopia is another of them Non-Muslim sub-contractors(not my term exactly but gives you the idea I hope what I am trying to mean),who are now trying to act tough on their poorer and weaker Muslim neighbours.They act aggressively towards the Islamist lot and claim to fight 'terrorism'.
IMO no matter what Washington says ,the Islamic courts weren't terrorists to me.I find it ironic that the US were supporting the Ethiopians,whereas once the Islamic courts were taking action against the pirates prowling near the Somali coast.
 
Aziz said:
Ethiopia is another of them Non-Muslim sub-contractors(not my term exactly but gives you the idea I hope what I am trying to mean),who are now trying to act tough on their poorer and weaker Muslim neighbours.They act aggressively towards the Islamist lot and claim to fight 'terrorism'.
IMO no matter what Washington says ,the Islamic courts weren't terrorists to me.I find it ironic that the US were supporting the Ethiopians,whereas once the Islamic courts were taking action against the pirates prowling near the Somali coast.
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But why are the Ethiopians hostile to the ICU? Maybe because they have essentially claimed Ogaden, which is part of Ethiopia? Threats to its territorial integrity is enough to make any state hostile.

The US is not the only actor with interest in this! Dozens of countries are involved in Somalia and actively arming one side of the other.
 
Aaron85 said:
Well, muslims were occupiers too. Just go and ask Greeks,Serbs, Hungarian, Romanian, Bulgarian, Bosniaks,Sycylians, Spaniards.
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when muslims invaded we invaded peacefullu unlike the christians, like in 1099 when the crusaders took jerusalem the killed so many muslims untill the blood reached there ankles. thats nasty, infact while the muslims held spain there was peace and a great economy within. The jews even followed the muslim from spain after they left because the christians treated them harshly.




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As a somali, our country witnessed the best possible peace during the islamic courts rule. we had city buses for the first time and everybody had running water. schools were flourishing and the economy was beginning to recover. there was peace all about everywhere. Maybe we could have even made our economy stable enough to bring out all th oil we have and make profit from it and begin to rebuild the country and become a great country. but the americans thought that we should not have peace and sent ethiopia to our lands. may the curse of god befall george bush and all the follows him he ruined my country right when we found peace. now we might not find peace for the next 20 years

until i grow up and take somalia that is :D
 
wilberhum said:
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You can't have your head that far in the sand. :hiding:
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There were even non-Muslims who urged and pleaded the Muslims to invade their lands. They were sick of the tyrants running their country and Muslims' fame was far and wide in how just they were, even to non-Muslims living in their empire.
 
islamirama said:
There were even non-Muslims who urged and pleaded the Muslims to invade their lands. They were sick of the tyrants running their country and Muslims' fame was far and wide in how just they were, even to non-Muslims living in their empire.
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Well that would be the truth in some cases. :thumbs_up False in others. :thumbs_do

But even a requested invasion would not be peaceful. :playing:
 
islamirama said:
There were even non-Muslims who urged and pleaded the Muslims to invade their lands. They were sick of the tyrants running their country and Muslims' fame was far and wide in how just they were, even to non-Muslims living in their empire.
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You mean like many Iraqi exiles, Kurds and Shiites who urged the US to intervene in Iraq? :?
 
The Mahdi Army only came into existece because America had toppled hero e.g Saddam Hussein tikriti.
 
KAding said:
Ethiopia was never colonized though (only occupied by Italy for a few years in the mid 20th century)! So we can't be blamed for this particular African conflict unfortunately. Ethiopia is an OLD country.
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looks to me like it was carved up by different colonizers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia
In 1949 the U.N. gave Somalia as a protectorate to Italy until it achieved independence in 1960. The Ogaden province of Somalia was given to the now repatriated Ethiopian government by the British Empire. The United Kingdom kept British Somaliland (now Somaliland or northern Somalia) under its colonial rule. The French too kept Djibouti under colonial administration, and Djibouti would not gain independence until 1977. Though Somalis and other Africans fought hard on the Allied side in World War II, they were re-subjugated soon after the conflict. The bitterness of lost hope strengthened the long struggle against colonialism, and in most parts of Africa, including Somalia, independence movements and liberation struggles occurred.
 
But why are the Ethiopians hostile to the ICU? Maybe because they have essentially claimed Ogaden, which is part of Ethiopia? Threats to its territorial integrity is enough to make any state hostile.
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okay I forgot that.Other than that Ethiopia has it's own interests.The route to the waters for example.
so what's the situation in Somalia right now?The Ethiopian troops still in Somalia?
 
the invasion of somalia by the kuffar ethiopians was pathetic but saw it coming.From the minute the union of islamic courts came into power they said oh man we got to do something and of course their ally in corruption USA came in to help them.well allah will give us our strength back and he said so in this ayah;inal arda lilahi yurithuha ma yashu min ibadihi wal aqibatu lil muttaqeen.verily the earth is allah's he gives inherits it to whom he wills and in the end it is for the believers.INSHALLAH!!
 
snakelegs said:
looks to me like it was carved up by different colonizers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia
In 1949 the U.N. gave Somalia as a protectorate to Italy until it achieved independence in 1960. The Ogaden province of Somalia was given to the now repatriated Ethiopian government by the British Empire. The United Kingdom kept British Somaliland (now Somaliland or northern Somalia) under its colonial rule. The French too kept Djibouti under colonial administration, and Djibouti would not gain independence until 1977. Though Somalis and other Africans fought hard on the Allied side in World War II, they were re-subjugated soon after the conflict. The bitterness of lost hope strengthened the long struggle against colonialism, and in most parts of Africa, including Somalia, independence movements and liberation struggles occurred.
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But Ogaden was already part of Ethiopia before the imperialist intervened, so how can they be blamed? Unlike many other borders in Africa, this border was already drawn before the imperialist power claimed anything.
 
KAding said:
But Ogaden was already part of Ethiopia before the imperialist intervened, so how can they be blamed? Unlike many other borders in Africa, this border was already drawn before the imperialist power claimed anything.
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hmmm. as you can tell, i'm pretty ignorant about somalia! i know some of the borders that were drawn split people or threw people together who didn't want to be together. but again, i know very little about somalia.
 
What i meant was that Saddam Hussein is not just a mARTYR BUT A MASSIVE HUGE HERO FOR THE JOB HE DID IN STABALISING IRAQ
 
ISLAMASWEENEY said:
What i meant was that Saddam Hussein is not just a mARTYR BUT A MASSIVE HUGE HERO FOR THE JOB HE DID IN STABALISING IRAQ
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A MASSIVE HUGE HERO? :-\
He caused the death of millions of Muslims and you call him a Huge Hero?:skeleton:

Wow.
:raging: :?
 
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