US Threatens Intervention in Pakistan

[doorster]

Ah doorster, I would have thought you would have gotten over your sterotipical assumptions about me.

Perhaps if you were to make posts longer than one line (clarifying) then I would not get confused as much as I do.

P.S.
I take it back if indeed it was a wrong assumption on my part (but you could help more by making longer posts)

wasalam (and peace)

 

[wilberhum]

Perhaps if you were to make posts longer than one line (clarifying) then I would not get confused as much as I do.

But most everyone gets my point with my "One Liners".
The long posts never seem to work.
Now that I think of it, my last "One Liner" to you, communicated fully. :thumbs_up
Well this is the forth line, I'm done with this post.:X

 

[snakelegs]

well no one can say what will happen next for sure in pakistan. its problems seem insurmountable and they are coming from all sides. what can the people do? what can president musharraf do?
the suicide attacks on the soldiers in the north ("holy war" in revenge for lal masjid) will guarantee u.s. intervention.
NobleMuslimUK, you will kindly not speak so badly about snakes.

 

[Skywalker]

mushraf, hes a dirty kaafir, and will burn in hell Inshallah.

This is just wrong, brother. I know that sometimes it's easy to get that urge to say something bad about someone, even if it's the truth, but this is from shaytan. Don't give into it and ask Allah for forgiveness. While you're at it, ask Allah to guide Musharraf, to protect the Muslims of Pakistan, and to give them good leadership and make clear to them the true path of Islam. As long as he says he's Muslim, even prophet Mohammed (pbuh) would not say anything bad do him.

well when it comes to the crunch who will fight the kuffar not cowards like the so called moderate muslims or hypocrites like mushraf or the paki army

It may be true, but again, it's wrong to label anybody anything. You also need to calm down and think. How are the so-called 'moderate Muslims' cowards? Because they don't go into the heart of a populated market and blow themselves up? Fighting the kuffar that are attacking you is important and essential, I agree, but there are ways of doing it wrong and ways of doing it "in style".

Right now, any move a Muslim makes that can be made to look controvesial, the media will make it look controversial...and inhumane. For example, in a another thread I mentioned how the victims of 9/11 will probably enter paradise according to Islam, while the people that killed them will probably go to Hell. One of the non-Muslim members jumped in and said how it was a sick comment! Tell me how that makes sense...yet with the proper twist, it can be made to look bad.

So Muslims these days need to watch carefully what they do so they don't tarnish the image of Islam. Don't you think it's important that we have a good image...or is it ok for everyone to see us as a bunch of Bin Laden's and we get no peace wherever we go? The more we take part in things that are seen as universally good, like charities through people like Islamic Relief or Muslim Aid, or peacefully demonstrating against a government we disagree with like Hezbollah did in Lebanon, the more we would be working to improve the image of Islam internationally while at the same time sticking to the morals and values of Islam, in fact far more so than doing anything crazy like going to blow ourselves up.

I'm not saying that we should never go and fight, no, there are times and situations that call for it, like what happened in Bosnia and the brave mujahideen that went there to fight. In that case they were being invaded, killed, raped, tortured, etc...and it was quite obvious and mutually agreed upon by all that something had to be done. See the difference?

 

[Skywalker]

If that were so they would be invading Morocco as well for example. Which they don't. So if we assume you are right that means:
1. people in Morocco are either not Muslim
2. or the US doesn't know people in Morocco are Muslim

What I said was meant to be a "slightly" humorous exaggeration. We know they're not that stupid, but it's possible to see the situation like that from a certain point of view.

As for who knew that America was gonna go into Pakistan...well as soon as they launched their campaigns against Afg. and Iraq, a lot of the people around me, especially those with an interest in politics, started making assumptions as to what America was gonna do. They said it was gonna start with Afghanistan and end with Egypt, taking out Pakistan, Syria, and a couple other countries out along the way. It's true that nobody knows this, but they made assumptions that seem to be unfolding as we speak.

 

[wilberhum]

For example, in a another thread I mentioned how the victims of 9/11 will probably enter paradise according to Islam, while the people that killed them will probably go to Hell. One of the non-Muslim members jumped in and said how it was a sick comment! Tell me how that makes sense...yet with the proper twist, it can be made to look bad.

Well, that non-Muslim would be me.
And ya, I think it was sick. :grumbling
There was a strong implication that there should be no complaints because the victoms went to heaven. Just like those wonderful administers of the Inqusition. :thumbs_do

 

[Skywalker]

There was a strong implication that there should be no complaints because the victoms went to heaven.

Not at all, I had no intention to make such an implication, but instead to highlight the inhumanity of the move by Al Qa3da. Read it again.

I also didn't want to mention ur name cuz I don't like making things personal...it's unprofessional.

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

Right now, any move a Muslim makes that can be made to look controvesial, the media will make it look controversial...and inhumane. For example, in a another thread I mentioned how the victims of 9/11 will probably enter paradise according to Islam, while the people that killed them will probably go to Hell. One of the non-Muslim members jumped in and said how it was a sick comment! Tell me how that makes sense...yet with the proper twist, it can be made to look bad.

Akhi

I agree with what you said its not the way of RasolAllah SAW to be harsh or use violence, or "by the sword" to spread Al-Islam, rather it is by good nature and peaceful manner to give dawah.

I didnt get your comment about the victims of 9/11 entering paradise, even though they died unjustly, they still died in the state of kufr.

Peace

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

All I can say is..leave my country alone! Still haven't been able to clean the mess made in Afghanistan, Iraq etc. Why even contemplate going to Pakistan?! :X

 

[islamirama]

This thread is a joke as are many posts in here. Afghan, iraq, iran, libya, sriya, and pakistan are all on the US crusade list. I said it last year and i said the same thing. You can argue and bicker all you want, or you can keep your eyes open and watch things unfold.

Few things to keep in mind. Experts say these are the initial stages of a world war, so expect WWIII to begin within a decade. Also, look at the pakistanis being arrested for being "terrorists" or "suspects" in UK and some in US. UK and US is full of pakistanis, imagine how many of these pakistanis will arm up if their home country is attacked. Talk about making your own country unsafe by invading others. These pre-emptive strike invasions will hit the crusaders in their own feet soon enough.

 

[wilberhum]

crusaders

Another with there mind stuck back in the "Dark Ages". :hmm:
But I think you are right on WWIII.

My senero, Radicals take over Pakistan, Nuke India, and off we go.:grumbling

Now that is one I would like to be wrong on.
Not like some, I don't look forward to WWIII. :hiding: :hiding:

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

how is it fault of theirs if the terrorists cut their lives short thus denying them a chance of being invited to siratulmustaqeem?

And by your logic everyone else knows how long they will live and they could turn to the straight path before dying.

 

[islamirama]

Another with there mind stuck back in the "Dark Ages". :hmm:

Sad you can't even remember what your dictator says to your people. It is he who claimed he will take his crusade to the Middle East and bring demon-cracy to it. And it is the same fool who says that God talks to him, tell him to go invade other nations and kill millions of innocents.

But I think you are right on WWIII.

My senero, Radicals take over Pakistan, Nuke India, and off we go.:grumbling

your "senero" (spanish?) is wrong because only aggressor bent on world domination here is the monkey in the white house. It is he who has started this war "on terror" and it is he who wants to invade all muslim countries with whatever lame excuse he can sell to his his dumb public.

 

[wilberhum]

dictator

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
There is something to be said about people who mis-state facts to promote there agenda.
I guess that makes there agenda false. :hiding: :hiding:

 

[Skywalker]

Guys, how about we cut the mindless chatter and get back on topic? ...please

 

[Muhammad]

and Greetings,

Judging by the number of off-topic posts, I believe the thread has reached the end of its course.

Please remember that it is unacceptable to argue in the manner that was occurring here, and that infractions will be given for such behaviour.

If anyone wishes to know more about takfeer, so you may do so from the the following links:

Determining whether someone is a kaafir or a faasiq (faasiq) is not up to us, rather it is up to Allaah, may He be exalted, and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This is one of the rulings of sharee’ah that is to be referred to the Qur’aan and Sunnah, so we should be very careful and base our judgement on clear proof. No one may be judged to be a kaafir or faasiq except the one whom the Qur’aan and Sunnah indicate is a kaafir or faasiq.

The basic principle is that the one who appears outwardly to be a Muslim of good character is regarded as still being a Muslim of good character, until it is proven that this is no longer the case by means of evidence that is acceptable in sharee’ah. It is not permissible to take lightly the matter of judging someone to be a kaafir or faasiq, because that involves two very serious matters:

1 – It implies fabricating lies against Allaah with regard to this ruling, and fabricating lies against the one who is being judged.

2 – Falling into that which one accused one’s brother of, if he is free from that.

http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=85102&ln=eng

http://www.islamicboard.com/sects-d...ing-perform-takfir-declare-person-kaafir.html

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