Taliban getting whipped

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i really feel for the south koreans being held hostage by the taliban. no matter the situation, they are still civilians and dont deserve such treatment. heard one of them has already being killed. what a pity!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
There is nothing like drilling holes in kneecaps before shooting your neighbor in the back of the head to gain freedom.

either bring proof to back your trash or shut your trap kuffar
 
either bring proof to back your trash or shut your trap kuffar
shut your trap kuffar, oh my, I may never recover. :skeleton:

Should I go hide in a basement. :D

Well now that you have proved that you don't read the news. :? :thumbs_up

What more can I say.
 
something people havent noticed is that mtaffi has resorted to the same tactic previous american administrations have such as in vietnam, which is that when they were actually losing the war strategically and making no gains they would resort to pointing out the enemy casualties! so infact when one shows off the casualties of the opposing side comming out saying oh we have killed this many and that many it is actually a sign of losing the war! well thats what the experts say.

the fact is is that the taliban are making alot of gains on the ground, several districts are under their control, and they rule the night, another thing to point out is that the americans will go one day, they cant fight forever, and the afghan goverment and army their leaving behind wont be able to sustain the taliban for the long term especially when the taliban have a good safe base just across the border in pakistan and in several areas in afghanistan!

mr mtaffi you should not brag about taliban casualties, if we wanted that we would have to brag everyday because the taliban are getting killed like flies if we are to believe the media, so that doesnt really matter, they have enough numbers to sustain alot of deaths and for every death they simply have another recruit! you should boast about improving afghan lives, healthcare, infustructure, and afghan trust in the coalition and the goverment, and afghan hope for the future, sadly you lack in each of these departments and that is the major blow, because this will simply cause people to turn to the taliban. :)

sanity! counting bodies is nothing macho bravado mentality. it is also quite misleading if you count the bodies and think that this is equal to "taliban getting whipped".
 
When the Taliban stands and fights the U.S. military they get "whipped". Now as far as their organization(or whatever you want to call it), I'm sure it is alive and well in Pakistan and isolated parts of Afghanistan. However, the Taliban is not a military threat, the threat is in their ability to create instability.
 
When the Taliban stands and fights the U.S. military they get "whipped". Now as far as their organization(or whatever you want to call it), I'm sure it is alive and well in Pakistan and isolated parts of Afghanistan. However, the Taliban is not a military threat, the threat is in their ability to create instability.


But in terms of progress, how is the NATO forces doing in Afghanistan? Are they irradicating the Taliban? (by the way its not a rhetorical question)
 
But in terms of progress, how is the NATO forces doing in Afghanistan? Are they irradicating the Taliban? (by the way its not a rhetorical question)

Eradicating? I think the strategy is stomp when the Taliban raises its head. The U.S. cannot pursue the Taliban across the border, as it would hurt the relationship with Musharaff. So NATO and the U.S. simply wait for the Taliban to make a move, and then stomp accordingly. I don't think "eradication" is on the agenda at the moment.
 
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Once you leave iraq and afghan, those who are fighting the occupation for their freedom will arise and form a gov't representing the people.

They never did before, why would they do so now?

The Taliban gained power by using tanks and guns to kill other Afghanis. There was no popular uprising.
 
either bring proof to back your trash or shut your trap kuffar
Dozens of bodies found in Baghdad
http://english.aljazeera.net/English/Archive/Archive?ArchiveID=42580
Baghdad police have recovered the bodies of 46 people around the city, one of the highest tolls of suspected sectarian death squad victims in recent weeks.
An interior ministry source said the bodies had been found in the 24 hours leading up to Monday evening and most had been tortured.
Of course you can't trust a Pro-West News source like Al Jazeera. :hiding:
 
to MTAFFI , almost every household in Afghanistan has atleast an AK-something ,.
and true Afghans do grow poppy alot more than any other nation but in the Talibans defense they did try and quite successfully to uproot that practice.that is of course , until the "coalition of the willing " started pouring millions into the northern warlords who shortly after the Talibs rout/retreat started regrowing the stuff under their western masters not-disapproving noses.

I don't support the ones who have deviated and gave themselves the right-if there is such a thing-to attack innocents. but I do think that the Taliban were so misrepresented and still are just so that attacking them would be OK to the greater masses.

about the Mahdi , as a matter of fact I don't think they would be the ones , I didnt even say that , I simply said the Afghans would be among the first to support him. although I do think they are playing a part .
I read some Ahadeeth about that but it's mainly my understanding and interpretation Im following. on a second note I think I sould not have brought it up .since politics and religion are not so seperate for me as they are to you and since I dont want to confuse you early on in your study of Islam pehaps it shouldnt be brought up again.

on the other hand , it would not bring peace to the country if the Taliban ceased to exist altogether . even if such a thing were to happen the contry would not have peace. the western backed druglords and common criminals will not stop their rampage against each other and every one else in that sad country.

lastly; the people fighting against the Americans and Europeans are generally the clans that have been marginalized by Kabul or set upon by a warlord who is supported by the coalition .
 
Go to the UN and see what International law saws on forming gov'ts while under occupation. It goes something like that the gov't is not true representative of the people but rather influence of the occupiers.

It "goes something like that", does it? Provide a source, not waffle. In any event, both governments were formed following democratic elections.. the results of which haven't actually been seriously disputed. They are therefore far more legitimate than their predecessors.

Once you leave iraq and afghan, those who are fighting the occupation for their freedom will arise and form a gov't representing the people. You'll never know until the invaders move out.

You are living in a total "hate the evil Kuffar" fantasy world. Nobody is "fighting for their freedom"... assorted factions of muslims are fighting each other for the sole purpose of establishing their own power-base. They have no interest in "representing the people", only in concentrating power in their own particular portion of them.

BTW are these are the same heroic freedom fighters who blew up and killed 50 football fans today.. people from all the communities in Iraq who for once had something to celebrate together? Get a clue!
 
....And as for your reasoning, I can't blame you entirely for your ignorance of the facts of the whole situation. The war on afghan was for the same reason as for Iraq, OIL. US oil tycoons wanted to run pipes thru afghan to north into russia where they found enough oil to not even need saudi anymore. Afghans clearly disapproved and was given the utlimatem to accept or they will have it their way anyway. Then 9-11 happened, then bombing and invasion of afghan happened, and the very first thing that was done after the invasion was the establishment of oil pipes running up north thru afghan right on schedule as promised. .....

OK...I am a little fuzzy on this concept..the pipelines are running North into Russia from Afghanistan? There is no oil to speak of n Afghnaistan. What are they carrying, goat milk? An oil pipeline is a directional thing

To begin with, I think the new oil field you are talking about is actually in a former USSR republic (Kazakhstan or Tadjikistan or perphaps Azerbaijan?), not Russia. So, presumably, to get the oil to someone who could actually buy it, it would have to reach a port on the Indian Ocean if it were to take the route you identified. Afghanistan is not on the coast! Please explain to the assembled masses where it is going to go from Afhghanistan. Iran perhaps? :smile: Pakistan..I guess..which is now the "home base" of Al Queda and the Taliban :p Sounds like a great plan! Absolute genius! Pump the stuff through a couple thousand miles of remote terrain which is unpatrolable and populated by people who will behead the guy who comes to check on the pipes.

I think the real prefered route is Georgia/Armenia/Turkey to Black Sea or Med. I guess you could say we tried to invade Turkey at the start of the Iraq War but they wouldnt let us land so we went away.

BTW...a Kazakhstan to China pipeline just opened. I suppose Bush and Cheney were behind that too?
 
something people havent noticed is that mtaffi has resorted to the same tactic previous american administrations have such as in vietnam, which is that when they were actually losing the war strategically and making no gains they would resort to pointing out the enemy casualties! so infact when one shows off the casualties of the opposing side comming out saying oh we have killed this many and that many it is actually a sign of losing the war! well thats what the experts say.
This is an interesting paragraph, basically you are saying that because when the US was in vietnam and claimed enemy casualties, I am now inadvertently claiming tht we are losing the war in Afghan? LOL OK here, not only are we killing these guys left and right or as Keltoi put it "shooting them when they pop up" (whack a mole), but we successfully dismantled their government and their influence over 90% (estimate) of the country, 75 taliban killed in one day and the taliban have managed to kill just over 100 troops (only 50 something US troops), so what does that tell you? They have lost everything, they hide in remote places where their influence is limited, they lose usually at least 25 or so everyday and can now be compared to a game of whack a mole.

the fact is is that the taliban are making alot of gains on the ground, several districts are under their control, and they rule the night, another thing to point out is that the americans will go one day, they cant fight forever, and the afghan goverment and army their leaving behind wont be able to sustain the taliban for the long term especially when the taliban have a good safe base just across the border in pakistan and in several areas in afghanistan!
Gains on the ground? Rule the night? LOL LOL LOL Are you in some fantasy world or smoking some of that opium or something? They may rule the goat kingdom at night! LOL

True though the US will eventually leave but from everything that the Taliban has had hit them they will not return to power ever or at least for a long time. As far as Pakistan goes, I think I read an article about that the other day, and I think that they will start to take a little more aggressive action on their end.

mr mtaffi you should not brag about taliban casualties, if we wanted that we would have to brag everyday because the taliban are getting killed like flies if we are to believe the media, so that doesnt really matter, they have enough numbers to sustain alot of deaths and for every death they simply have another recruit! you should boast about improving afghan lives, healthcare, infustructure, and afghan trust in the coalition and the goverment, and afghan hope for the future, sadly you lack in each of these departments and that is the major blow, because this will simply cause people to turn to the taliban. :)

What are their numbers? How many do they recruit daily? No one knows, do they.... What would you estimate, I am just curious....

The Afghans lives will improve when all thsi is over and hopefully I can then boast of how an oppressive regime was removed by my country and at least some muslims could benefit from what is going on today with healthcare, infrastructure, etc. Believe me my friend, there is nothing I wish for more than peace and welfare for the US, afghans, iraqis, everyone

Why do you not make these posts to those who brag about downing a US chopper or killing troops in Iraq?
 
i havent seen posts of people bragging about downing helicopters, :).

as for the taliban gaining ground and ruling the night, this info came from a documentary with the taliban done by channel 4 which you can find on youtube, hence no need to insult by calling me "high" i dont smoke that stuff at all.

as for the taliban numbers, they have said they have 12000 fighters in the areas their fighting, who knows how many they have in pakistan, the latest millitant fighting in pakistan is basically the pakistan taliban and there are thousands of them, they basically have their own country in north wazirstan. roughly up to 25,000 fighters :)
 
i havent seen posts of people bragging about downing helicopters, :).
Sorry about that I just realized you are a newer member

as for the taliban gaining ground and ruling the night, this info came from a documentary with the taliban done by channel 4 which you can find on youtube, hence no need to insult by calling me "high" i dont smoke that stuff at all.
I apologize if you felt insulted, it just seems so preposterous that the Taliban would be "gaining" anything, of course then again you can find a news story or a documentary to back up just about anything you want :D

as for the taliban numbers, they have said they have 12000 fighters in the areas their fighting, who knows how many they have in pakistan, the latest millitant fighting in pakistan is basically the pakistan taliban and there are thousands of them, they basically have their own country in north wazirstan. roughly up to 25,000 fighters :)

that is interesting, if there is 12000 in Afghanistan then at the rate we are going right now they will all be dead in just over a year, and if the ones in Pakistan were to come on over and this continued at the same rate they woudl all be dead within four years.:smile: :thankyou:
 
I am not sure I follow you here....The thread is about the defeat that the Taliban is suffering, it isnt an occupation in Afghanistan and it isnt an illegal war in Afghan either. The Taliban was given an ultimatum, they obviously made the wrong choice otherwise their number wouldnt be diminished and they wouldnt have to hide like goats in the mountains. As for missionaries being in Afghanistan, I cannot speak for them and I do not think our troops being their "asked" them to come to that country, however if you have evidence that proves otherwise, then I would be happy to read over it. My guess, however, is that these missionaries are there because it is the first time that they could go there without having to fear for their lives. (or at least not as much)

i wonder who died and gave ANYONE the right to issue ultimatums to the rulers of their own countries
 
OK...I am a little fuzzy on this concept..the pipelines are running North into Russia from Afghanistan? There is no oil to speak of n Afghnaistan. What are they carrying, goat milk? An oil pipeline is a directional thing

To begin with, I think the new oil field you are talking about is actually in a former USSR republic (Kazakhstan or Tadjikistan or perphaps Azerbaijan?), not Russia. So, presumably, to get the oil to someone who could actually buy it, it would have to reach a port on the Indian Ocean if it were to take the route you identified. Afghanistan is not on the coast! Please explain to the assembled masses where it is going to go from Afhghanistan. Iran perhaps? :smile: Pakistan..I guess..which is now the "home base" of Al Queda and the Taliban :p Sounds like a great plan! Absolute genius! Pump the stuff through a couple thousand miles of remote terrain which is unpatrolable and populated by people who will behead the guy who comes to check on the pipes.

I think the real prefered route is Georgia/Armenia/Turkey to Black Sea or Med. I guess you could say we tried to invade Turkey at the start of the Iraq War but they wouldnt let us land so we went away.

BTW...a Kazakhstan to China pipeline just opened. I suppose Bush and Cheney were behind that too?

the level of deliberate ignorance or just blind denial of the kuffars in here is very sickening +o(

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]You can read the Department of Energy’s own report on Afghanistan from September 2001:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Afghanistan's significance from an energy standpoint stems from its geographical position as a potential transit route for oil and natural gas exports from Central Asia to the Arabian Sea. This potential includes the possible construction of oil and natural gas export pipelines through Afghanistan, which was under serious consideration in the mid-1990s. The idea has since been undermined by Afghanistan's instability. Since 1996, most of Afghanistan has been controlled by the Taliban movement, which the United States does not recognize as the government of Afghanistan"[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif](By the way, this kind of research is no longer difficult. Finding those two links took about 2 seconds with Google.com and the right search terms.)
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]War For Oil?[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/warforoil.html

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America's Pipe Dream
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]http://www.counterpunch.org/monbiot2.html[/FONT]


1998 Unocal Statement:
Suspension of activities related to proposed
natural gas pipeline across Afghanistan
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/oil.html

Afghanistan: War for oil? Local voices weigh in
http://www.keweenawnow.com/news/afghanistan_02_03/afghanistan_02_03_p_1.htm
 
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:sl: its simple...stop acting and lieing as if western ppl come to islamic countries and "help". by "help" they mean missionize and convert all us they can...if u dont wana send food or money DONT SEND stacks of bibles :hmm: :sl:
 
:sl: its simple...stop acting and lieing as if western ppl come to islamic countries and "help". by "help" they mean missionize and convert all us they can...if u dont wana send food or money DONT SEND stacks of bibles :hmm: :sl:

Couldn't you just read the part up to Abraham and ignore the rest?

What is the big deal with a couple of annoying missionaries? Just say no. Scroll through this section and take a peek at the thread on 2 US soldiers converting to Islam. You would think Islam just won the World Cup from the celebration involved. :shade: Now stand back and try to have a little objectivity. Relax. be happy.
 
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