U.S. plans big arms sale to Saudi Arabia

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U.S. plans big arms sale to Saudi Arabia: report

Fri Jul 27, 11:30 PM ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Bush administration is preparing to ask Congress to approve arms sales totaling $20 billions over the next decade for Saudi Arabia and its neighbors, The New York Times reported in Saturday editions.

Coming as some U.S. officials contend that the Saudi government is not helping the situation in Iraq, the proposal for advanced weapons for Saudi Arabia has stoked concern in Israel and among its U.S. backers, the Times said. The package of advanced weaponry includes advanced satellite-guided bombs, upgrades for its fighters and new naval vessels.

Senior officials, including State Department and Pentagon officials who outlined the deals' terms, told the Times they thought the Bush administration had resolved those concerns, partly by offering Israel more than $30 billion in military aid over the next 10 years , which would be a significant increase over recent levels.
Administration officials remain concerned, however, that the package could draw opposition from Saudi critics in Congress, which is to be notified formally about the deal this autumn, the newspaper said.
The State Department and the White House had no comment on the Times' article, and a Pentagon spokesperson could not immediately be reached for comment.
Assurances from the Saudis about being more supportive in Iraq were not sought by the administration as part of the deal, U.S. officials told the newspaper.
The Times said officials described the plan as intended to bolster Gulf countries' militaries in a bid to contain Iran's growing strength in the region, as well as to demonstrate Washington's commitment to its Arab allies.
But they added that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates still plan to use their joint visit to Saudi Arabia next week to press for help with Iraq 's government.
"The role of the Sunni Arab neighbors is to send a positive, affirmative message to moderates in Iraq in government that the neighbors are with you," the newspaper quoted a senior State Department official as saying.
The official added that Washington wants Gulf states to stress to Sunnis that engaging in violence is "killing your future."
Other salves to Israel in light of the proposed deal include asking the Saudis to accept restrictions on the range, size and location of the satellite-guided bombs , the Times said. The Pentagon is also asking for a commitment not to store the weapons at air bases close to Israeli territory, it added.

Along with Saudi Arabia, Bahrain , Kuwait , Oman , Qatar and the United Arab Emirates are likely to receive equipment and weaponry from the arms sales under consideration, the Times said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070728/pl_nm/mideast_usa_saudi_dc

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Assalaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullaah wa Barakaatuh,

What would Saudi Arabia do with $20 billion worth of new weapons except waste its money? Saudi Arabia has no immediate enemies in the region except Israel, Western forces occupying Afghanistan and Iraq and their stooges in the area ( i.e. Ethiopia). Moreover, it is fatal for Saudi Arabian security, or any Muslim state, to equip its armed forces with weapons made by the enemies of Islaam. The Saudi military would be a lame duck if the U.S. withholds the supply of spare parts, missiles and munitions for any reason in the future. The U.S. is a staunch enemy not an ally. Any nation that relies on imported weapons, especially from its enemies, to defend itself is doomed nation.

What did Saudi Arabia do with the AWACS it bought in the late 1970s? They were flown by American pilots and were used to spy on Iraq and Iran.

The difference between the weapons the U.S. will sell to the Saudis and those it will give to the Israelis is that Israel sends its own shopping list to Washington and its experts to pick the weapons they want. The Saudis, however, will be given weapons the U.S. chooses and will be stripped down to the bare minimum of capabilities.

The U.S. and its Zionist bosses want To ignite a war between Iran on the one side and its neighbors on the other, and have Saudi Arabia fight America 's war against Iran for them!



Saudi is like Switzerland. That place is the mecca of the kuffars as saudi is for the Muslims. The kuffar's god (wealth) is in that land. All the money for is in swiss accounts so no one dares attack that nation, the nation doesn't even have an army. Saudi is the same way, it doesn't need an army as no one would dare attack it.



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What would Saudi Arabia do with $20 billion worth of new weapons except waste its money?
Protect it’s self from terrorists.
Saudi Arabia has no immediate enemies in the region except Israel,
When has Israel threatened Saudi Arabia?
equip its armed forces with weapons made by the enemies of Islaam.
The enemies of Islam are the terrorists not those that attack them.

Just more of your standard “I hate the country that has given me a home”.
Just can't stand the fact that not all countries hate America, can you.
 
probably sold them some mal-functioning crap that will either self-destruct or be good for nothing.. Approved by Israel should have been the give away... I can almost see the two louts and poor excuses for countries laughing all the way to the bank..

Saudi Arabia should have made that transaction with Russia, not the U.S.!... at least now, let's hope they have some Egyptian engineers on board to inspect their undoubtedly questionable equipment!
 
probably sold them some mal-functioning crap that will either self-destruct or be good for nothing.. Approved by Israel should have been the give away... I can almost see the two louts and poor excuses for countries laughing all the way to the bank..

Saudi Arabia should have made that transaction with Russia, not the U.S.!... at least now, let's hope they have some Egyptian engineers on board to inspect their undoubtedly questionable equipment!

Of course, we all know that the Saudis are incapable of testing equipment before purchase....:hiding:
 
Are we reaffirming the obvious?

How does it make any sense at all for the United States, known to have the most advanced weapons systems in the world, to sell faulty equipment in a major diplomatic deal? That question was rhetorical, it doesn't make any sense.
 
You have a very trusting nature.. it is pure, I like it =)... Why sell faulty equipment? I suppose for the same reasons China sells tainted food and bogus drugs to the U.S and other parts of the world... unscrupulous politicos exist every where, including in your very private 'one nation under G-D'..
The U.S doesn't have Arab or Muslim interest at heart!

peace!
 
Saudi Arabia should have made that transaction with Russia, not the U.S.!... at least now, let's hope they have some Egyptian engineers on board to inspect their undoubtedly questionable equipment!

With Russians? The same who conquered and murdered Afghans and who still murder Chechens?
 
Since when do you care for Afghans or Chechens?.. I'd indeed trust the Russians with military equipments.. Many other countries in the middle east got their arms from Russia--- Egypt, Syria, to name a few.. they might have been modest arms but there was no hokey pokey business going on with their weapons the rest relied on the skill and training of the soldiers... Saudis are too pampered to fight or have the tenacity and drive of the neighboring regions who have suffered and continue to suffer and don't have that kind of wealth to squander on weaponery... 20 billion would have gone a long way with the rouskies, and I have no doubt their equipment would be more withstanding and rugged at least in the right hands...
 
Since when do you care for Afghans or Chechens?.. I'd indeed trust the Russians with military equipments.. Many other countries in the middle east got their arms from Russia--- Egypt, Syria, to name a few.. they might have been modest arms but there was no hokey pokey business going on with their weapons the rest relied on the skill and training of the soldiers... Saudis are too pampered to fight or have the tenacity and drive of the neighboring regions who have suffered and continue to suffer and don't have that kind of wealth to squander on weaponery... 20 billion would have gone a long way with the rouskies, and I have no doubt their equipment would be more withstanding and rugged at least in the right hands...

What evidence do you have that the equipment is faulty in the first place? Absolutely none. There is no logic behind it. Politically, it is a slap in the face to Iran, whose government is not going to be happy about a strengthened Saudi Arabia. Another factor to consider is that this is also a business deal, meaning those who build and sell these military technologies have a stake in selling the best product available.
 
My evidence is my own mother country's intelligence agency with such deals that went on in the past... I don't really have to share any more than that, as I don't feel on trial, nor do I care if this gets misrepresented with the usual satirical ridicule... It would be good if the intentions are indeed to keep Iran at bay, but I doubt things are as obvious as they seem!

Neither Israel nor the U.S have anyone's vested interest at heart... there is a double or triple incentive here I could think of right off the bat.. the best and most obvious is what a lucrative deal it is.. the rest we'll just have to watch as it unravels, if we live long enough!

Prior I told you I respect you as a member which I do BTW, However, I disagree with 99% of what you say, which is alright I hope?.. I just can't believe the kind of naiveté you display sometimes.. either you think we are complete oafs when it comes to politics, or you just need to believe the obvious without any critical judgement when it comes to your govt. as you don't think them at all capable of evil or having an ulterior motive?


peace!
 
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...to equip its armed forces with weapons made by the enemies of Islaam

When you write already posts with insulting words, be at least a little bit descent with the words. There are no enemies of Islaam, just of terrorism.

[sarcastic mode ON]I say, let's equip all middle east countries with Hightec weapons. Anyway, most there are such war lovers, they will wipe out themselves, so no more problems with radicals. Problems solved[sarcastic mode=OFF]
 
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I would be worried less about whether the weapons are of good quality (I am fairly sure that they are plenty lethal), but rather with the enormous quantity of weaponry going into a very tense part of the world.

Guyabano said he was being sarcastic, but I sometimes wonder how far off such an idea is.

- the vapid vagabond
 
My evidence is my own mother country's intelligence agency with such deals that went on in the past... I don't really have to share any more than that, as I don't feel on trial, nor do I care if this gets misrepresented with the usual satirical ridicule... It would be good if the intentions are indeed to keep Iran at bay, but I doubt things are as obvious as they seem!

Neither Israel nor the U.S have anyone's vested interest at heart... there is a double or triple incentive here I could think of right off the bat.. the best and most obvious is what a lucrative deal it is.. the rest we'll just have to watch as it unravels, if we live long enough!

Prior I told you I respect you as a member which I do BTW, However, I disagree with 99% of what you say, which is alright I hope?.. I just can't believe the kind of naiveté you display sometimes.. either you think we are complete oafs when it comes to politics, or you just need to believe the obvious without any critical judgement when it comes to your govt. as you don't think them at all capable of evil or having an ulterior motive?


peace!

We are talking about two different issues here. You seem to think that because I believe the weapons sold to Saudi Arabia will indeed function properly I'm also suggesting the U.S. sold the weapons out of kindness and brotherly affection. I don't believe that either. Politically, the Saudis have shown their willingness to fight Al-Qaeda and their affilliates. Throw Iran into the equation, and you have a good reason to keep the Saudis happy and properly armed.

Obviously Israel has no illusions about the functionality of the weapons sold, as they were very upset by the deal, which led to the U.S. promising Israel another military aid program over the next 10 years. This is all politics and strategy, and no it doesn't come from brotherly love. However, I would bet the life of my dog Mollinator that when the first Saudi soldier picks up his new American made rifle it will fire and leave a large hole in the target.
 
I would be worried less about whether the weapons are of good quality (I am fairly sure that they are plenty lethal), but rather with the enormous quantity of weaponry going into a very tense part of the world.
Business is business.

As an aside: I wonder why there tends to be more vitriole directed towards lawyers than arms companies. Maybe because lawyer jokes are safer.
 
:sl: if the house of saud buy more stuff from them its further affirming their deeping level of straying from islaam...May Allah(SWT) replenish the lands of Islaam with believers and restore the honor of the land that was walked upon by the best generation ..AAMEEN.:sl:
 
:sl: if the house of saud buy more stuff from them its further affirming their deeping level of straying from islaam...May Allah(SWT) replenish the lands of Islaam with believers and restore the honor of the land that was walked upon by the best generation ..AAMEEN.:sl:
Saudi's should send back all there TV sets too. :confused:
 
Saudi's should send back all there TV sets too. :confused:
Nah, not if they're Hitachi.

More seriously and on topic, what my frail brain understands about the reality of world economics is that just about every country relies on imported goods of one kind or another.
 
My evidence is my own mother country's intelligence agency with such deals that went on in the past... I don't really have to share any more than that, as I don't feel on trial, nor do I care if this gets misrepresented with the usual satirical ridicule... It would be good if the intentions are indeed to keep Iran at bay, but I doubt things are as obvious as they seem!

Neither Israel nor the U.S have anyone's vested interest at heart... there is a double or triple incentive here I could think of right off the bat.. the best and most obvious is what a lucrative deal it is.. the rest we'll just have to watch as it unravels, if we live long enough!

Prior I told you I respect you as a member which I do BTW, However, I disagree with 99% of what you say, which is alright I hope?.. I just can't believe the kind of naiveté you display sometimes.. either you think we are complete oafs when it comes to politics, or you just need to believe the obvious without any critical judgement when it comes to your govt. as you don't think them at all capable of evil or having an ulterior motive?


peace!

pretty apparent from this post and every other one that you have made on this thread is pointless and ignorant. I am suprised that the mods have not deleted your baseless accusations by now.

By the way, the equipment that is recieved in the M.E. from Russia are typically soviet era weaponry, produced by a workforce and economy that is known for its short life span and heavy drinking. I know I wouldnt want to shoot a russian rifle put together by a heavily vodka sedated russian put together.

**Also why is there always an ulterior motive, why cant things ever be as they seem?
 

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