U.S. plans big arms sale to Saudi Arabia

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Of course to make a statement like
probably sold them some mal-functioning crap that will either self-destruct or be good for nothing..
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One would need to assume that the sellers never want to make another sale and concider this there "Going out of Business" Sale. :confused:

See, I can recognize stupid statements. :D
 
Let me see if I understand the line of argument. When the US sells F-16's and F-15's to Israel and the Isarelis shoot down 100 Syrian jets (supplied by you-know-who) in one day without the loss of one US-supplied fighter (this really happened, BTW), that is explained by the superior technology, but when the US sells even newer models to the Saudis, the Saudis are imagined to be duped with recycled 1970's technology (or something like this) and would have been well advised to buy Russian planes?????

There is no rocket science involved in knowing if an F-16 is working right, if you are up in the air in the thing and the engine stops working it is not going to take a lot of diagnostic effort to determine there is a problem.
 
Not far back US sold China some planes, they had spying technology installed too. Also the deal with Pakistan, they were supposed to deliver the F-18's but the zionists came up with a plan. Now Saudi, they are pathetic for trusting theirs and the whole worlds biggest enemy. Especially if that enemy is best allie is (Israel), under control by (Israel) and is the devils headquarters.

I think that gives a glimpse about why we shouldn't trust US equipment in the first place.

Saudis do need weapons, against their main enemy Israel and now a growing threat Iran. But then again lets not get excited here they are just toys being bought, why not buy nukes. Pakistan nukes are useless until Musharaf is in charge, since Pakistan army is in charge of Saudi protection.
 
NobleMuslimUK said:
Not far back US sold China some planes, they had spying technology installed too. Also the deal with Pakistan, they were supposed to deliver the F-18's but the zionists came up with a plan. Now Saudi, they are pathetic for trusting theirs and the whole worlds biggest enemy. Especially if that enemy is best allie is (Israel), under control by (Israel) and is the devils headquarters.
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Exactly, I don't think the Saudis even know what to look for, prior in my post I stated such arm sales were attempted in the middle east in exchange for their Russian arms to American made tanks and weapons replete with spy technology, and can be controlled at American head quarters... these surreptitious administrations will not reveal their aims or methods...

unfortunately it takes a licking or two for people to realize what this is all about... a couple of confused cavaliers from on board aren't going to effectively persuade us with their venomous rhetoric..

However, I must admit I enjoy the penning of the billious fellow who tries to get every post removed when it doesn't cater to his version of the truth.. :lol:

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Right, there is a secret U.S. headquarters that secretly controls all technologies sold to foreign buyers....all part of the Zionist plan to spread the word of Satan. It all makes sense now. The issue has been solved...no need to keep the thread open.
 
I'll refer you back to my previous citation
I don't really have to share any more than that, as I don't feel on trial, nor do I care if this gets misrepresented with the usual satirical ridicule..
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I do agree, there is no point to keep the thread open, I am getting jaded with 'world Affairs', are we here to be informed? or to be behave (make-believe) we are good will emissaries on a delegacy to manage public affairs in two paragraphs or less?

peace!
 
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Weapons manufacturing is one of if not the largest industry that exists today. One of the odd facts of todays weapons and weapon systems all that I can think of depend on componants made in other countries. Often in the very country they may one day be used against.

I do not know of any country that manufactures their own weapons today. the governments simply request a product. An engineer someplace designs it, sells his idea to a manufacturer who then tries to get a lucrative government contract to make it. the sub-components are often from many separate manufacturers from all around the world.

It really is not a country that sells any weapons, it is an independent business that does. They seldom care about the result, as long as the finished product is being sold to a place far away.

Although there may be some people that believe they are being ruled by the leader of the country they live in, the real truth is we are all being ruled by the corporate heads of big business. If somebody has a product that can make a profit for a mass distributer, it will be on the store shelfs world wide, no matter who makes it or what country it is produced in.

Some business man found a market for surplus US weapons and has managed to find the means of getting the US Government to supply the money so that Saudi and Israel can buy the products from him. It is not the case of any government making an arms deal, it is the case of a scrap metal dealer getting rich off of Saud, Israel and the US.

Just my opinion from reflecting upon the arms industry in the world.

Someday check out the Krupp family on Google. But, keep in mind they are just a small part of the arms industry.
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
I'll refer you back to my previous citation

peace!
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My intention is not to put you on trial. I simply stated the same thing as was stated by you and the other poster. Let me try again... The U.S., controlled by their Zionist masters, are participating in a plot to sell faulty military equipment, which they can control from their Satanic HQ, in attempt to do what? The last part I'm not clear on. If it sounds absurd, like I'm being sarcastic, there might be a reason for that.
 
Woodrow said:
Weapons manufacturing is one of if not the largest industry that exists today. One of the odd facts of todays weapons and weapon systems all that I can think of depend on componants made in other countries. Often in the very country they may one day be used against.

I do not know of any country that manufactures their own weapons today. the governments simply request a product. An engineer someplace designs it, sells his idea to a manufacturer who then tries to get a lucrative government contract to make it. the sub-components are often from many separate manufacturers from all around the world.

It really is not a country that sells any weapons, it is an independent business that does. They seldom care about the result, as long as the finished product is being sold to a place far away.

Although there may be some people that believe they are being ruled by the leader of the country they live in, the real truth is we are all being ruled by the corporate heads of big business. If somebody has a product that can make a profit for a mass distributer, it will be on the store shelfs world wide, no matter who makes it or what country it is produced in.

Some business man found a market for surplus US weapons and has managed to find the means of getting the US Government to supply the money so that Saudi and Israel can buy the products from him. It is not the case of any government making an arms deal, it is the case of a scrap metal dealer getting rich off of Saud, Israel and the US.

Just my opinion from reflecting upon the arms industry in the world.

Someday check out the Krupp family on Google. But, keep in mind they are just a small part of the arms industry.
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Aww...blessed sanity.
 
Keltoi said:
My intention is not to put you on trial. I simply stated the same thing as was stated by you and the other poster. Let me try again... The U.S., controlled by their Zionist masters, are participating in a plot to sell faulty military equipment, which they can control from their Satanic HQ, in attempt to do what? The last part I'm not clear on. If it sounds absurd, like I'm being sarcastic, there might be a reason for that.
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it doesn't sound absurd at all-- Orotund-- yes and maybe laced with little sophistry for my palate, but yes that is the general idea! The latter of your Q's needs some thought on your part... I am not here to dispense with answers... a unipolar world is bound to fail though...

peace!
 
Woodrow said:
Weapons manufacturing is one of if not the largest industry that exists today. One of the odd facts of todays weapons and weapon systems all that I can think of depend on componants made in other countries. Often in the very country they may one day be used against.

I do not know of any country that manufactures their own weapons today. the governments simply request a product. An engineer someplace designs it, sells his idea to a manufacturer who then tries to get a lucrative government contract to make it. the sub-components are often from many separate manufacturers from all around the world.

It really is not a country that sells any weapons, it is an independent business that does. They seldom care about the result, as long as the finished product is being sold to a place far away.

Although there may be some people that believe they are being ruled by the leader of the country they live in, the real truth is we are all being ruled by the corporate heads of big business. If somebody has a product that can make a profit for a mass distributer, it will be on the store shelfs world wide, no matter who makes it or what country it is produced in.

Some business man found a market for surplus US weapons and has managed to find the means of getting the US Government to supply the money so that Saudi and Israel can buy the products from him. It is not the case of any government making an arms deal, it is the case of a scrap metal dealer getting rich off of Saud, Israel and the US.

Just my opinion from reflecting upon the arms industry in the world.

Someday check out the Krupp family on Google. But, keep in mind they are just a small part of the arms industry.
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I value your opinion bros. Woodrow, but read a few pieces to the contrary on Al-Ahram news paper, and heard different from functionaries and government officials.. And that is why such countries as Egypt would rather hold on to their Russian Tanks from fifties and sixties than barter for American made arms...
We'll have to wait and see how this unfolds over the next few decades..
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PurestAmbrosia said:
I value your opinion bros. Woodrow, but read a few pieces to the contrary on Al-Ahram news paper, and heard different from functionaries and government officials.. And that is why such countries as Egypt would rather hold on to their Russian Tanks from fifties and sixties than barter for American made arms...
We'll have to wait and see how this unfolds over the next few decades..
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As with all things there are many sides. I can not disagree that the American surplus arms will fall apart. It may or may not be intentional. But, it is surplus junk that was headed for the scrap metal piles until a market was found for it. the simple fact is no country is going to permit the sale of any equipment that is equal or better than what their military has.

I do not see were the old surplus Russian equipment is any better. It is difficult to find spare parts for and it did not show much promise when used in Afghanistan.

The whole point I am trying to make is there never would have been any arms deal, if some munitions manufacturer or scrap dealer was not going to make a lot of money from it. Governments have little control of corporate power and it is corporate power that is rapidly becoming the world government.
 
As for the Egyptians using old T-72's (tanks)...yeah..I can see that. They could keep a few running and they aren't going to fight a modern armored force. They are there for parades and to use against civilians if they get out of line. This idea of some kind of magical power to make US-manufactured weapons stop working is ...well..it's fantasy.


There are 3 small exceptions.

1) I believe the US still has the power to turn off the civilian GPS broadcasts (from the US run Global Positioning System) in time of war. I have a suspicion they might retain that ability for export versions of GPS-dependant US made hardware. If true, this could degrade navigation for affected systems

2) The US definitely still has the ability to change IFF codes (Identification Friend or Foe). This is a code that tells radar systems and missile systems and the like who is an enemy and who is a friend. The US used this threat against Israel in GWI to keep them from sending Israeli aircraft to take out Hussein's missile launchers which were aimed at Israel. Without the codes, the Israelis knew they might be "accidentally" attacked by US systems.
This, of course would also be true for Iran, which has some really old US equipment and even the Saudis.

3) The US can always turn off the spare parts pipeline. This is one reason why foreign sales often involve stockpiling spare parts which means big money for the suppliers.
 
The Gulf States are spending money left and right on their military's. It seems like a good business opportunity. It's not as if they only buy from the US! Russia is also a major supplier in the region, as are France and England.
 
KAding said:
The Gulf States are spending money left and right on their military's. It seems like a good business opportunity. It's not as if they only buy from the US! Russia is also a major supplier in the region, as are France and England.
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When a market exists, the supply will increase to fill the demand. Basic rule of economics and business.

It makes no difference of what a nations policies are, big business eventually becomes the winner.

At this moment there is probably more than one CEO of a weapons manufacturing plant looking at his sales chart and smiling very happily.

Why do I keep getting this strange feeling that we are all becoming the willing pawns of major corporations? I am not opposed to Big Business, I am opposed to them profiting by creating victims.
 
KSA should buy more from European nations;US always gave them downgraded military wares so Israel can be ahead of the Arabs.Heck,I heard Egyptian F-16s haven't got BVR capability,dear dear it's a great pity if it's true.
 
The same people will tell you no mind control takes place in America. If it isnt mind control then what is it with this blind patriotism on the Americans part that they defend their governments corrupt actions. At least we dont claim Saudi government to angels.
 
NobleMuslimUK said:
The same people will tell you no mind control takes place in America. If it isnt mind control then what is it with this blind patriotism on the Americans part that they defend their governments corrupt actions. At least we dont claim Saudi government to angels.
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[Insert head in sand=on]Of course it is mind control. Israel perfected it. The Zionists control all news sources that feed nothing but lie to the American people.

The only thing that confuses me is that since Jews control the world, what are they trying to gain?[Insert head in sand=off]

There will always be some “blind patriotism”.
What is more apparent is the tremendous volume of “blind faith”.
 
usa accuses many countries of supporting terrörism...but its economy is generally based on war,weapon industry.....isnt this two-facedness?
 

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