Taliban getting whipped

[wilberhum]

Aziz

yes it's allowed to kill enemy males if they are too much of a threat to the Islamic state.

I'm always told there are no "Islamic States".
It seams the definations always change to suite the point to be made.

My question is can any Muslim, in an "Islamic State", kill any non-Muslim whom he thinks is an evangelists?

 

[Bittersteel]

I'm always told there are no "Islamic States".

I was talking about the theoretical part.I thought the question was kind of not related to the incident.better check Kading's post to understand what I posted.

My question is can any Muslim, in an "Islamic State", kill any non-Muslim whom he thinks is an evangelists?

nope.the state will gather evidence,check the Non-Muslim guy's actions.the state or the head of state will have to decide.Not any Muslims.In fact it goes for all criminal accusations.But you will still find Muslim citizens(rural and illiterate ones) taking the law into their hands.I am not still sure about the killing part though but it's most likely.

 

[Cognescenti]

Detaining prisoners
Prisoners should be detained until it is decided what is the best move. The ruler of the Muslims should detain prisoners until he decides what is in the Muslims’ best interests. He may ransom them for money, or exchange them for Muslim prisoners, or release them for nothing in return, or distribute them among the Muslims as slaves, or kill the men, but not the women and children, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade killing the latter.

If these standards were applied to the friendly brothers of Git'mo.......kay:

 

[wilberhum]

nope.the state will gather evidence,check the Non-Muslim guy's actions.the state or the head of state will have to decide.Not any Muslims.In fact it goes for all criminal accusations.But you will still find Muslim citizens(rural and illiterate ones) taking the law into their hands.I am not still sure about the killing part though but it's most likely.

The state is not involved. We are dealing with a bunch of thugs kidnapping people for ransom.

 

[Cognescenti]

Aziz

I'm always told there are no "Islamic States".
It seams the definations always change to suite the point to be made.

.....

Amen, brother. You have correctly identified the impenetrable force field cleverly constructed to thwart anyone who would dare criticize an action taken by an "Islamic state" in the name of Islam (or perhaps, more properly, claimed to be taken in the name of Islam). This strategy applies to criticisms of Sharia as well.

Catch-a-22

 

[Bittersteel]

If these standards were applied to the friendly brothers of Git'mo

were they all caught fighting?

The state is not involved. We are dealing with a bunch of thugs kidnapping people for ransom.

My question is can any Muslim, in an "Islamic State", kill any non-Muslim whom he thinks is an evangelists?

maybe I misunderstood your question.were you referring to the taliban?

 

[wilberhum]

were they all caught fighting??

Of course they were.

maybe I misunderstood your question.were you referring to the taliban?

I'm talking about any group other that the government. :hiding:

 

[MTAFFI]

were they all caught fighting?

were these koreans caught fighting?
:hiding:

 

[Bittersteel]

good point but they were doing evangelism work.nowadays that's practically an act of war in some hard line Muslim places in these times.

Of course they were.

nope they weren't not all of 'em.there are innocents mixed with the guilty ones.some sources say the innocent outnumber the guilty in that place.

 

[Chechnya]

nope they weren't not all of 'em.there are innocents mixed with the guilty ones.some sources say the innocent outnumber the guilty in that place.

dont mind wilberhum, thinkng isnt one of his strong points

i reccommend moazzam beggs book to anyone who wants to know what is going on in guantamano to innocent muslims, its quite shocking

 

[Keltoi]

good point but they were doing evangelism work.nowadays that's practically an act of war in some hard line Muslim places in these times.

nope they weren't not all of 'em.there are innocents mixed with the guilty ones.some sources say the innocent outnumber the guilty in that place.

That's interesting, since some of the people they let out of Gitmo due to lack of evidence have ended up on the battlefield once again. One guy in particular blew himself up on the border of Pakistan.

 

[Cognescenti]

dont mind wilberhum, thinkng isnt one of his strong points

i reccommend moazzam beggs book to anyone who wants to know what is going on in guantamano to innocent muslims, its quite shocking

Yeah...I heard most of the detainees at Git'mo were in Afghanistan to build a summer camp for conflicted gay teens. There was also the group of cooks and gardeners from the Khandahar Battered Women's Center.

Poor souls.

 

[MTAFFI]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070807/ap_on_re_as/afghanistan

Taliban launch frontal attack on base By RAHIM FAIEZ, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 54 minutes ago



GHAZNI, Afghanistan - A group of 75 Taliban militants tried to overrun a U.S.-led coalition base in southern Afghanistan on Tuesday, a rare frontal attack that left more than 20 militants dead, the coalition said in a statement.

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The insurgents attacked Firebase Anaconda from three sides, using gunfire, grenades and 107 mm rockets, the coalition said. A joint Afghan-U.S. force repelled the attack with mortars, machine guns and air support.

"Almost two dozen insurgents were confirmed killed in the attack," the statement said. Two girls and two Afghan soldiers were wounded during the fight in Uruzgan province, it said.

A firebase like Anaconda is usually a remote outpost staffed by as few as several dozen soldiers.

"The inability of the insurgent forces to inflict any severe damage on Firebase Anaconda, while being simultaneously decimated in the process, should be a clear indication of the ineffectiveness of their fighters," said Army Capt. Vanessa R. Bowman, a coalition spokeswoman.

A direct attack on a U.S. or NATO base by insurgents on foot is relatively rare. More often insurgents fire rockets at bases and flee. Military officials say that Taliban fighters know they can't match Western militaries in a heads-up battle, which leads the insurgents to more often rely on roadside and suicide bombs.

......

Another loss for the Taliban, they are so sad that they cant even take a small outpost..... hahahahahahaha lol ;D

 

[wilberhum]

Pakistan in anti-Taliban operation
Pakistani security forces, backed by helicopter gunships, have launched an attack on hideouts being used by pro-Taliban fighters in North Waziristan.

An army spokesman said on Tuesday that forces hit targets in Daygan, a village 15km west of the town Miranshah, after receiving "credible intelligence that fighters were present there".




Cobra helicopter gunships and artillery launched the attack at about 5am (0000 GMT) and it lasted about four hours, Major-General Waheed Arshad said.

No ground forces were used in the assault, and there was no immediate word on casualties.






"The militants used to regroup and prepare attacks on security forces and take refuge at these compounds, so security forces targeted them," Arshad said, calling the compounds a "staging post."
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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4FFA0114-9810-4364-A949-E11951A7238E.htm

 

[ISLAMASWEENEY]

Yes but the Taliban still control large parts of Afghanistan despite Natos 6 year illegal occupation the Taliban are still fighting strong.

 

[wilberhum]

Yes but the Taliban still control large parts of Afghanistan despite Natos 6 year illegal occupation the Taliban are still fighting strong.

What large part? Those caves up in the hills?


illegal occupation?
I think we will leave just as soon as the Afghanistan government tells to.

 

[ISLAMASWEENEY]

Well you have just said that if Bush left Afghanistan the Taliban would defeat Kaizais puppet goverment and return to power and the good old days will come back.

 

[wilberhum]

Well you have just said that if Bush left Afghanistan the Taliban would defeat Kaizais puppet goverment and return to power and the good old days will come back.

Good old days? :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling:

Why not bring back the government the Taliban forced out? :hiding:

 

[ISLAMASWEENEY]

No i mean when the Taliban ruled Afhanistan everything was good.

 

[wilberhum]

No i mean when the Taliban ruled Afhanistan everything was good.

Well if you ignore 75% of reality. :skeleton:

There was never peace from the first day that a Taliban killed someone till today. :?

There will never be peace till the last one is gone. :thumbs_up