Keep it up Turkey, you know what's best

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KAding said:
You are going to Asia? Not according to the party you just elected though:
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ı didnt vote for ak party.....
40%of turks dont want eu...and remaininng 60% dont know why they want eu....turkish culture is completely different from europe..so it is meaningless to strive for membership to eu....ıf we complete all of criteria they will not accept us because we are muslims..
 
I dont understand why europen people dont want Turkey as a member of Europen union. What is the problem with us?
 
*babk* said:
I dont understand why europen people dont want Turkey as a member of Europen union. What is the problem with us?
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Some people do, some people don't.

From July 2005 EU-wide poll:
The Eurobarometer survey shows that 52% of EU citizens are against Turkey joining the EU. Citizens from the new member states are more in favour of Turkey joining (48% in favour) than the EU-15 (32% in favour).
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The 'why' depends on the person you ask. Some are afraid it will undermine the Christian background of Europe. Other are fearful of a massive influx of Turks who want to work in Western Europe. Some also believe Turkey is still too poor. Others think it simply isn't in Europe geographically. Then there is a group who believe Turkey is not democratic enough, with such a big influence of the army in politics and odd laws that make it a crime to criticize the state. And then there are those who are afraid of political Islam. Some also think letting Turkey join would be destabilizing, since Turkey would be the biggest country (population wise) of the EU. Others are against enlargement of the EU , whatever the country. Many of those against Turkey joining will cite a combination of these elements as a reason to be against.
 
KAding said:
Pfft. Cyprus is in Europe, so is much of the Caucasus. And so is Greece. Then why not Turkey?

Besides, lets be honest here. Why is Europe even a continent? It doesn't deserve to be one. It's really just part of Asia. The only reason its a continent is because the Europeans were imperialists and forced this 'Europe' entity on the rest of the world. :rant:
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Greece is part of the Balkan peninsula that runs along with Bulgaria and several small countries. It has also been historically known as a part of Europe for ages.

the Caucasus is considered a part of Europe due to the historic culture of the Caucasus being relative to Europe.

Cyprus is mostly Greek and has been historically known as the crossroads into Asia.

And you are right, Europe is a subcontinent like Southern Asia (Greater India + Iran) and Western Asia (The Middle-East)

However, it most correctly Eurasia to be the continent that encompasses Europe and Asia.

BTW, aren't you being a tad racist and egocentric? Asia, Europe, and Africa are names that came from Goddesses (particularly Roman/Greek Goddesses). Like for instance, Europe was named after the Goddess Europa. So the names aren't really relavent.

But Eurasia nonetheless is the identity of the union of land between Europe and Asia.
 
The_Prince said:
what? bitter reality that attaruk's ways and teachings are falling and Islam is rising? or did u mean the other way round
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evereyone thinks that ıf you love atatürk it means you dont love islam...and if you love islam it means you dont love ataürk...but this thought isnt true...although ataturk did utmost effort to wipe out kuffars from anatolia from turkey,he also gave so much harm to islam...:(
 
yigiter187 said:
evereyone thinks that ıf you love atatürk it means you dont love islam...and if you love islam it means you dont love ataürk...but this thought isnt true...although ataturk did utmost effort to wipe out kuffars from anatolia from turkey,he also gave so much harm to islam...:(
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exactly...

Ataturk was a thread to the healthy running of islam in turkey...perhaps he still is, regardless of him being dead...

but the thing is, he 'westernised' turkey in such a way that, it did not lose 'too' much, so to speak...the majority religion is still islam.

now turkey is the only majorly islamic and practising country which actually has a shot at getting out there are continuing our prophet (pbuh)'s work of dawah and preeching--in as much civility as possible--not only preeching, but excelling in the modern western 'dominant' world, economically, socially, politically, academically...
thus it is inevitable for turkey to lose a bit of its islamic values along the way...but insallah Allah will judge them on intentions...coz thats what really matters in the eyes of Allah the all merciful.
 
Those are good questions n_m, you can usually tell a lot about the level of Islam in a country by what kind of TV shows and radio stations they have.

What are they like in Turkey?
 
Skywalker said:
Those are good questions n_m, you can usually tell a lot about the level of Islam in a country by what kind of TV shows and radio stations they have.
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Is it? Whoa...

We Malaysians only have 1 Islamic radio station out of 53 radio stations...

And no Islamic tv at all....

So what's the level of Islam in Malaysia.......... Bad I think...:exhausted
 
north_malaysian said:
Are there lots of Da'wa activities in Turkey?

Are there Islamic tv and radio channels in Turkey?
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of coyrse there are lots of islamic radios tvs ın turkey..also you can see turkish schools all around the world for islamic purposes..
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
what about islamic makkah of 650?

please research on what a true islamic state is, then let me know if you mind it :)
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I m doing that in whatever time I can spare. There are few questions for U if U can obilige. My dear brother.

1. Isnt it unjust that in an Islamic state muslims are free to preach and propogate their religion among non muslims but death sentence for non muslims if they dare to do so?

2. Is it true that in an Islamic state a muslim is not entitled for death penalty for murdering a non muslim? He can only be punished to the extent of paying the blood money to the family of victim?

Thanks.
 
north_malaysian said:
Is it? Whoa...

We Malaysians only have 1 Islamic radio station out of 53 radio stations...

And no Islamic tv at all....

So what's the level of Islam in Malaysia.......... Bad I think...:exhausted
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It is better to be secular in promoting Islam than to be Islamic. Think of Iran for just a second. Now do you see what I mean?
 
justahumane said:
1. Isnt it unjust that in an Islamic state muslims are free to preach and propogate their religion among non muslims but death sentence for non muslims if they dare to do so?
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It's not unjust in any way. Since Islam is more than a religion, but a way of life, it would be exactly like going around saying that the foundations that the entire country is built on are false, that everyone is living a lie -- not very healthy for a society, wouldn't you say? There's no reason that the people can't go out of the country and "propagate" elsewhere.

justahumane said:
2. Is it true that in an Islamic state a muslim is not entitled for death penalty for murdering a non muslim? He can only be punished to the extent of paying the blood money to the family of victim?
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Murder is murder. Blood money is only paid if the family of the victim agrees to it. Otherwise, the murderer is executed.

n_m said:
So what's the level of Islam in Malaysia.......... Bad I think...
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I don't think it's that bad, bro. It's not much better here in Egypt, we have a lot of craziness on TV, but at the same time we have some religious programs. On regular TV there's very little religious stuff, just government oriented balogne, but on the satellite channels, there's a LOT of religious programs, but at the same time there's a lot of the opposite.

What I feel is missing from Islamic countries is regular TV shows with stories and stuff, but ones that teach Islamic morals and are decent enough to be watched safely by Muslim families. I've not seen a lot of that at all -- almost none. Everything religious seems to be "in-your-face" kind of stuff.
 
Skywalker said:
I don't think it's that bad, bro. It's not much better here in Egypt, we have a lot of craziness on TV,
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and managed to export those craziness to Malaysia, last week Nancy Ajram was here.... Myriam Fares and Heyfa Wehbe are next... Amr Diab is well-known.....we even managed to have our own Malaysian-made pop Arabic singer like Betty Banafe'. Plus the bellydancers are everywhere...


Skywalker said:
On regular TV there's very little religious stuff, just government oriented balogne, but on the satellite channels, there's a LOT of religious programs, but at the same time there's a lot of the opposite.
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Well.... the only sattelite channels we could watch is via Astro... and there is no Islamic channels offered.... having a non-Astro sattelite dish is ILLEGAL.
 
1. Isnt it unjust that in an Islamic state muslims are free to preach and propogate their religion among non muslims but death sentence for non muslims if they dare to do so?

2. Is it true that in an Islamic state a muslim is not entitled for death penalty for murdering a non muslim? He can only be punished to the extent of paying the blood money to the family of victim?
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no.1 is probably true,but no compulsion or any type of blackmailing should be allowed.I however hate propagation and evangelism of any religion.

no.2 most probably not according to the Sharia but something that usually happens in Muslim nations.
 

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