Theories

As people of faith, I think you and I believe we know the origins of life. My guess is this thread will turn into another theism vs. athiesm thread.
 
Deep ocean i think we know who created them all but if you can give a example of what you want it might be more easier so we can get the idea and search for it on islamic websites JazakAllah khar in advance:D
 
Yanal said:
Deep ocean i think we know who created them all but if you can give a example of what you want it might be more easier so we can get the idea and search for it on islamic websites JazakAllah khar in advance:D
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I've just noticed, that in a lot of threads people stray from the topic to discuss the existence of God, the big bang etc. So I created this thread to hold a proper discussion. (dawah opportunities lol :D )
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
i think its been discussed a lot sis lol,

can i ask tho, is the big bang considered a fact by scientists>? or theory?
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As far as I know, it's still called The Big Bang theory. But as Muslims, even if it is proved, we know that it was from the command of Allah SWT
 
DeepOcean said:
As far as I know, it's still called The Big Bang theory. But as Muslims, even if it is proved. We know that it was from the command of Allah SWT
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yup. thats wat i think too, i think theres a lot of evidence that big bang could very well have happened and due to that it could be what caused the creation of earth.


however sis isnt it true that the UNIVERSE was created in 7 periods (not days) and not just the earth?

correct me if im wrong, but im under the impression that the earth was created in a split second (possible via big bang)
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
yup. thats wat i think too, i think theres a lot of evidence that big bang could very well have happened and due to that it could be what caused the creation of earth.


however sis isnt it true that the UNIVERSE was created in 7 periods (not days) and not just the earth?

correct me if im wrong, but im under the impression that the earth was created in a split second (possible via big bang)
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True. But maybe the 7 periods includes the formation of the universe aswell as the creation...if that makes sense. You know trees growing, things like that
 
^ that sounds more like the christian belief lol, but i really dont kno u cud b right..
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
^ that sounds more like the christian belief lol, but i really dont kno u cud b right..
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lol don't say that! :scared: lol

Well Allah knows best. But I remember my R.E teacher saying that the Big Bang was an explosion. What do you get from an explosion? Order or chaos?
 
DeepOcean said:
Yeah of course. But that proves the existence of Allah if an atheist is looking at things logically.
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the atheist seems to base everything on the senses, if they cant see/hear/feel/smell or talk to ALlah they wont believe. It doesnt matter if miraculous events are constantly taking place, signs are constantly given and the most perfect of books are sent down.


it doesnt matter to them. They wud rather follow the flawed logic of dawkins

listen to wat dawkins has to say:

How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, 'This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant'? Instead they say, 'No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.' A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths.
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all knowledge is from Allah, if science appears grand now then so did the contraptions of the past to the people of the past.
The most subtle and complex details are detailed in the Quran and only that which is required to benefit us in this life so we can get somewhere great in the hereafter and it will be hard to conceive this without understanding arabic. The Quran commands us to gain knowledge etc and it tells us that which will help us believe firmly so that we can gain a high place in the hereafter.


Human thoughts and emotions emerge from exceedingly complex interconnections of physical entities within the brain. An atheist in this sense of philosophical naturalist is somebody who believes there is nothing beyond the natural, physical world, no supernatural creative intelligence lurking behind the observable universe, no soul that outlasts the body and no miracles - except in the sense of natural phenomena that we don't yet understand. If there is something that appears to lie beyond the natural world as it is now imperfectly understood, we hope eventually to understand it and embrace it within the natural. As ever when we unweave a rainbow, it will not become less wonderful.
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And so who created these complex interconnections of physical entities within the brain? Is this man telling me that this great "design" and COMPLEX interconnection came about by complete chance?


or is this genius another believer of the darwinism...


seriously, weigh this out with wat islam says and what our prophet Muhammad teaches (sallallahi alaihi wasallaam).



He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer!
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this is surely darwin and dawkins (lol they sound the same "da" and "in" is present)
 
Joe98 said:
Please provide 3 from the last month.

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my cousin was saved from wat seemed like a complete near death experience (was pretty sure his head snapped off but it didnt Alhamdulillah, Allah watches over all, his appointed a date of death and only suicide can rush that),
^ this is an amazing rare miracle becoz it seemed as tho his head really did come off due to the sheer force of the opposition (which was a log at this point)

2ndly we could say is the fact that the balance in ourselves is always maintained,

3rdly we could say that the balance of nature is always maintained.



Allah is behind every good work, it only takes reflection and contemplation in sincerity to see that
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
i think its been discussed a lot sis lol,

can i ask tho, is the big bang considered a fact by scientists>? or theory?
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I think this is why nobody really wants to engage in serious discussion. Your religion brings you (for you) a sense of certainty. Albeit an illusion (in my opinion). Then you look for certainty within science, which science does not offer, merely probability.

Theories are never considered 100% factual, only very probable is the closest you can ever get to within science. Perhaps, uncertainty within life is what scares you the most (I really don't know).

So when you say something like what you have said, theory and fact. You really display an ignorance to what a theory actually represents..........
 
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IbnAbdulHakim said:
the atheist seems to base everything on the senses, if they cant see/hear/feel/smell or talk to ALlah they wont believe.
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I have one thing to say to that. (based on yusuf estes lecture 'no brainer') :

I haven't seen their brain
I haven't heard their brain
I havn't felt their brain
I havn't smelt their brain

I don't believe that individual person has a brain. :eek:
 
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IbnAbdulHakim said:
the atheist seems to base everything on the senses, if they cant see/hear/feel/smell or talk to ALlah they wont believe.
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This would make all atheists empiricists, which is by no means true for all of them. Many atheists would admit to using intuition and inductive and deductive logic as well as sense-data. Many might adhere to completely different theories of knowledge. Remember, if all we know about someone is that they are an atheist, we know they don't believe in god, and that is it.
it doesnt matter to them. They wud rather follow the flawed logic of dawkins

listen to wat dawkins has to say:
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Unfortunately, the quote you've included is based on value-judgements, and not even Dawkins would claim it to be a purely 'logical' argument.

all knowledge is from Allah, if science appears grand now then so did the contraptions of the past to the people of the past.
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Science 'appears grand' because it gets results.
And so who created these complex interconnections of physical entities within the brain? Is this man telling me that this great "design" and COMPLEX interconnection came about by complete chance?
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No, he isn't. Straw man fallacy.

Your post shows a pretty thorough misunderstanding of the atheist position. I suggest you read up on it properly, so that you know what it is you are arguing against. Dawkins' 'God Delusion' is a good contemporary statement of atheism. If you are convinced it is wrong from the outset, you need not fear reading it. It will only strengthen your ability in arguing the case.

Peace
 
czgibson ur post was englightening, thanks !


from your post i gather that you base most belief on results?

Science 'appears grand' because it gets results.
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but the thing is, when it is God behind every atoms movement you attribute it to "science", science is just an "understanding" that humans have achieved right? so how can you allow the explenations of dawkins to delude you about the reality of God? (yes i use the word delude)
 
DeepOcean said:
I have one thing to say to that. (based on yusuf estes lecture 'no brainer') :

I haven't seen their brain
I haven't heard their brain
I havn't felt their brain
I havn't smelt their brain

I don't believe that individual person has a brain. :eek:
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sis all respect to yusuf estes but this argument is weak because the brain is something clearly visible once the head is cut open (which happens regularly in hospitols im sure..), if an atom which is not visible to the eye is used it wud probably be a better example.

check out sheikh hamza yusufs arguments, they are far more solid :)

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