German State Court Upholds Headscarf Ban for Teachers

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guyabano said:
As for myself, I welcome the decision of the court. Schools are a place to learn and not to display religious symbols.
If you don't like, so change the school or leave the country. Simple !
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No, it is not that simple. Not everyone can afford to just leave! Why should their whole lives be ruined because of something so stupid?
 
guyabano said:
As for myself, I welcome the decision of the court. Schools are a place to learn and not to display religious symbols.
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look, seriously, please use your common sense a little.

Many of our muslim women including my own blood sisters feel naked in public without their hijaab. To rob them of their hijaab is to rob their clothing, decency and shame. The hijaab is not meant to offend anyone nor is it there to distract anyone from their studies.


That court has ruled with nothing less then hatred for islam, and anyone who cant see that is blind...
 
Personally i think that women in hijabs should have right to work in schools for example and other jobs, but in my opinion the niqabs should be banned, because woman who ears this cant integrate and live in western society.
 
Aaron85 said:
When a muslim woman wants to leave islam, why ban her freedom to choose? :?
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aah i see, you dont realise the difference between a promise and oppression. When someone comes into islam they promise to submit to Allah and devout their whole lives to him and also a proper court is required to carry out the penalty.

When someone comes to another country, lives for a few years and is suddenly forced to completely changed... this is oppression !
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
aah i see, you dont realise the difference between a promise and oppression. When someone comes into islam they promise to submit to Allah and devout their whole lives to him and also a proper court is required to carry out the penalty.

When someone comes to another country, lives for a few years and is suddenly forced to completely changed... this is oppression !
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Ok ok but since christians cant make missionary work in muslim country ( which is a christian duty) , so i guess that it is fair that muslim women shouldnt wear whole body cover niqaabs in christian majority countries. :D
 
I like this thread because it shows, how muslims request us to be more tolerant, but on other side, when it comes to other concern, the tolerance of muslims, "the kuffars must die" or all women of Atheists are *****s !

This honestly makes me sick ! I'm sorry for these words, but they really pass through my mind now !
 
guyabano said:
I like this thread because it shows, how muslims request us to be more tolerant, but on other side, when it comes to other concern, the tolerance of muslims, "the kuffars must die" or all women of Atheists are *****s !

This honestly makes me sick ! I'm sorry for these words, but they really pass through my mind now !
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I'll tell you something amazing guyabano, if the state that this Muslim woman lives in allows people to have freedom in what to wear - then she should have a right to wear what she wants.

So no-one can force a woman who wears a miniskirt to wear something modest, and no-one can force a woman with a modest clothing to dress immodestly either. Why? Because people have a freedom of rights in this society in regard to what they can wear.


If someone limits someone in what they can and cannot wear, this then means that this freedom which this state had earlier on isn't really freedom anymore, rather - it's enforcing people to dress one way, which then means that it's not really liberal any longer, rather it's leaning more towards extremism as the people of this state may say.

The same way they say that Muslim women are oppressed in the Muslim lands by having to wear modest clothes, they are doing the exact same thing, except they are turning the tables 180 degrees in the opposite manner. They are forcing women to dress immodestly (as we can see on the media), and they are forbidding women to dress modestly in the way they want to dress (no matter what way it is, if it includes the hijab or niqab etc.)



And about your 'the kuffars must die' statement - i've seen you mention that too much times now, and it's getting quite tiring. Since it's not based on any proofs from Islam anyway.





Peace.
 
Aaron85 said:
When a muslim woman wants to leave islam, why ban her freedom to choose? :?
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Aaron, stoning someone to death if they worship someone else is part of Christianity and Judaism. :)




Peace.
 
wow.. I wonder if they would pass such a ruling on someone who is on chemotherapy or actinotherapy and wishes to guard their dignity by wearing a scarf?.. what a strange world, now telling people of the level of nakedness that is required of them that is acceptable.. when did freedom of religion become freedom from religion?...
Glad I don't live in nazi Germany, they can't seem to rid themselves of their shady past... reminds me of an experiment by Milgram Stanley a 'Behavioural Study of Obedience'---Maybe it really is the nature of man to opress and be wicked.. Sob7an Allah...

peace!
 
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Aaron, stoning someone to death if they worship someone else is part of Christianity and Judaism. :)




Peace.
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Just a correction, stoning is not an accepted punishment for anything in Christianity. Jesus Christ stopped a stoning from happening, which is the example we follow.
 
- Qatada - said:
I'll tell you something amazing guyabano, if the state that this Muslim woman lives in allows people to have freedom in what to wear - then she should have a right to wear what she wants.

So no-one can force a woman who wears a miniskirt to wear something modest, and no-one can force a woman with a modest clothing to dress immodestly either. Why? Because people have a freedom of rights in this society in regard to what they can wear.

If someone limits someone in what they can and cannot wear, this then means that this freedom which this state had earlier on isn't really freedom anymore, rather - it's enforcing people to dress one way, which then means that it's not really liberal any longer, rather it's leaning more towards extremism as the people of this state may say.
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Yes, as long as they are on their own time. Compare for example internet discussion forum, based in USA, the owner of the forum can dictate what is allowed to say. If he wants to ban people from saying red, then anyone saying red will be banned. Does this mean that USA doesnt have freedom of speech because you cannot express it everywhere all the time? Same way as the owner of the discussion forum can ban things he doesnt feel are suitable, the employer can ban things at his work place that arent suitable, for whatever reason.

When you are on your own time, you can express yourself anyway you want, when you are on someone elses time, you have to follow their rules, how silly they may be. Just the way it works for everyone else.
 
guyabano said:
I like this thread because it shows, how muslims request us to be more tolerant, but on other side, when it comes to other concern, the tolerance of muslims, "the kuffars must die" or all women of Atheists are *****s !

This honestly makes me sick ! I'm sorry for these words, but they really pass through my mind now !
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Yes you are quite right. Muslims are biggest supporters of religious freedom, but in non muslim countries. Why not in muslim countries?
 
- Qatada - said:
And about your 'the kuffars must die' statement - i've seen you mention that too much times now, and it's getting quite tiring. Since it's not based on any proofs from Islam anyway.
Peace.
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Oh, do I mention it often? hmmm, what about some very particular muslim forum members who give nothing on western values? I never hear you telling them these words.

It's little bit off topic, but I was really upset about some particular comments, that Westeners must always be so tolerant, openminded and accept everything, you put in front of their nose, embrace Islam etc...
If they don't do, well...you know the lyrics.
But on other side, yeahh.. you know the lyrics too !

I just give my opinion, that I accept this decision, that any religious symbols, no matter what religion, are banned out of school. So no need for some board members to send me some threating and insulting PM's or whatever bad words.

Now it's time to take my 'calmday' Pill !
 
^ our tolerance is constantly tested, and i'd expect anyone whos intouch with the media to understand that, clearly you dont...
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
^ our tolerance is constantly tested, and i'd expect anyone whos intouch with the media to understand that, clearly you dont...
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Yes, might be that the tolerance is tested, but sad to say, there is not much tolerance.

And now, I'm out of this topic. Anyway, I'm pretty sure, these posts will go to the recycle bin
 
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