فاعتبروا يا أولى الألباب

[جوري]

Re: فاعتبروا يا أولى الألباب

Are you sure you want to open up this can of worms ?By the way whos the author of that? Just curious too ...

perhaps you are under some false impression that your opinion matters? If I wanted your feedback, I wouldn't have posted the original thread in Arabic, buzz off!

 

[.:Umniyah:.]

Re: فاعتبروا يا أولى الألباب

BarakAllahu feeki habubah.

I knew i wasnt wrong because thats how princess wrote it, i just couldnt be bothered explaining anything anymore.

khair mashaaAllah.

umniyah isn't mistken. In saheeh bukhari it's liyasmut, perhaps it came as liyaskut in another narration Allaahu a'lam, but they mean the same thing alhamdulilaah

"وَمَنْ كَانَ يُؤْمِنُ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ فَلْيَقُلْ خَيْرًا أَوْ لِيَصْمُتْ ‏"

hadeeth numbers 6087 n 6088

http://www.islmeat.com/go.php?id=628&type=l

wassalaamu alaykum

 

[umm-sulaim]

Re: فاعتبروا يا أولى الألباب

wa feeki baarak

don't give up explainin sis a7sana Allaah ilayk

 

[جوري]

Re: فاعتبروا يا أولى الألباب

whos the author of that? Just curious...

it says sheikh na3eem ben hamad bukhari by isnad Abdullah bin mas3ood that prophet Mohammed PBUH stated" then the hadith.. I believe it can be found in a book called "the book of tribulations.. chapter on A3maq the opening of Constantine and I am not sure if this Constantine is the " walled city in northeastern Algeria to the east of Algiers; was destroyed in warfare in the 4th century and rebuilt by Constantine I" all can be found on page 260 of that book... however what I don't know is what "Haar majdoon" هر مجدون means would in fact appreciate feedback on that one...
shokran ukhty... btw I hate how we have to move around posts to avoid confrontations with heretics on an Islamic forum of all places. Al-Amr lilah-- 7asbona Allah wa ni3m Alwakeel

 

[- Qatada -]

Re: فاعتبروا يا أولى الألباب

:salamext:


I heard this hadith being mentioned by Anwar Al Awlaki.. he said he hesitated to say it, but once he did.. i think he may have regretted it since it may have lowered the morale of the people..


Subhaan Allaah it's a powerful one.. and we see alot of this happening today.

 

[doorster]

Re: فاعتبروا يا أولى الألباب

Ok I hate to disagree, but thats just slightly narrow minded, if people don't understand or agree with something, they should by all means and measures have the right to question your claims and information. Think about it in terms of a broader picture, the whole world thinks muslims are something they aren't so when we read the papers stating horrendous correlations like Islamic Extremists.... we are supposed to read, learn, become enlighten[ed], or at the very least, read and then remain silent? "To question (ask) is the cure... not the problem"

That is why they have comparative forum, no? or would we like every forum on this site to be a battleground?

 

[- Qatada -]

Re: فاعتبروا يا أولى الألباب

:salamext:


I have also heard though.. that this massacre won't be for ALL 'arabs, Allaahu a'lam though.


What's the authenticity? I heard it was narrated by Imaam Al Bukhari's sheikh?

 

[جوري]

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:salamext:


I have also heard though.. that this massacre won't be for ALL 'arabs, Allaahu a'lam though.


What's the authenticity? I heard it was narrated by Imaam Al Bukhari's sheikh?

I just went over this with a scholar, and there is no bab A3maq in the book of tribulation, he thinks this is a weak hadith... so I can be certain, he did say however that at the end of the world the Romans will be the majority since after al-mal7ama there will be a great loss of lives, already however Arabs only make 20% of the world's Muslims, but there well be great loss of Muslim lives.. and alas lol he shed light on har majdoon means Armegeddon... ah it is all so clear now.. I think I feel 80% better.. I was really ready to make alternate plans for my future-- even though most of the Arab world isn't even governed by Islamic law
sobhan Allah
I am sorry about this, I can't validate better, I am not sure it is true, but then again, this is really a great time for tribulation a person sleeps a Muslim wakes up a kaffir and vice versa... May Allah make this easy for us

 

[جوري]

Re: فاعتبروا يا أولى الألباب

Just to add & I am not sure he is correct either that he thinks this is a ploy to make Muslims decrease by leaving European countries out of fear, he said in fact we have a valid hadith that we'll have "fait7 alroomya"

Nafi' ibn 'Utbah said, "The Prophet said, 'You will attack Arabia, and Allâh will enable you to conquer it. Then you will attack Persia, and Allâh will enable you to conquer it. Then you will attack Rome, and Allâh will enable you to conquer it. Then you will attack the Dajjal, and Allâh will enable you to conquer him.' " (Muslim)

and he said that will be a turn over of Rome without war, as in people becoming Muslim on their own accord and he believes this frightens them so they are trying to infiltrate the minds of people with fake hadith? I really don't know what to believe at this point..
Allah A3lam, Allah knows best.. may he save us from all these tribulations
Ameen

 

[- Qatada -]

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:wasalamex


na'am.. whatever i'm saying is my understanding of what Imam Anwar al Awlaki (may Allaah hasten his release) said.


He said it's amazing how when Islaam settled to any country in the world, it remained there till today. EXCEPT Europe in Al Andalus.. it's amazing how subhan Allaah i've seen so much occasions in history when Islaam could settle here and through Allaah's amazing Wisdom, it somehow never reached.


For example when Taariq ibn Ziyaad opened Spain, when he was about to continue - then the Khalifah in Damascus called him back. Later on when it was about to spread in France, the army became weak due to it's attatchment with the spoils of war - so they lost the battle.

When Islaam was in Turkey, the Sultans in Turkey and the Muslims of Spain could easily do a Pincer Attack [since they were powerful and also were from opposite sides of Europe] - but they never did so. Then Al Andalus fell, and the Uthmani/Ottoman Khilafah remained a while longer.. until that collapsed too - but they never spread any further.



We also know that 'Amr ibn Al 'Aas said something amazing about the Romans; that whenever their army fell - they were the quickest to come back/regroup and fight. They were well known for standing up for justice if their rulers became oppressive. And he mentioned a few more points, and subhan Allaah it's all so true.


We also know that there's another hadith where the Persians are like two horns, after that they would break down and their empire would fall. [We know this happened during the time of the Sahabah in the two great battles of Qadisiyah, and the other which i forgot the name to.]


Yet look at the Romans, how much times in history they have been fought yet they continue to come back to life and fight back. This is all by the will of Allaah. And He is the Al Hakeem ul Aleem.



I think i'll leave it at that. But Anwar Al Awlaki's talks can be heard here:

http://kalamullah.com/anwaral-awlaki.html

http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-multimedia/39952-anwar-al-awlaki-lectures.html

The talk which he mentions alot of this stuff in is during the Khilafah of Abu Bakr, 'Umar, and Muslims Living as a Minority.



And Allaah knows best.

 

[amirah_87]

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Off topic posts deleted.

If this bashing and insulting between members continues this thread will be closed! *InshaAllah*

Peace x

 

[asadxyz]

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You can disagree, i think i just told balthasar up there that.

The problem isnt asking questions, I think i deserve a little mroe credit than that. The PROBLEM is the way people like to push their points across, no one seems to know how to 'ask' anything anymore, everything is about " thats not true, yada yada yada.....im right, youre wrong....yada yada yada"

That ^^ is what i dont need. Its called debating. Everytime an article gets put up along the lines of this one, or anything else someone doesnt agree with from an Islamic point of view, they start debating and bashing and all that, dont know where youre from, but where im from thats not asking, and trying to learn, thats being ignorant and causing problems.


No matter how much correct NON extreme information we post, theres always those who debate an bash it, some people dont want to hear the truth for their own good sake, they want to hear what we have to say so they can debate it and degrade it.

Besides, this is NOT the comparative religion section, its the general section.

Also, the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa salaam said:

"Man kaana yu'min billaahi wal yawmil aakhir, fal-yaqul khairan AW LIYASMUT!

Let you who believe in Allah and the last day, speak good OR REMAIN SILENT!

I agree unnecessary debate should not be there.But to block the questioning is not very Islamic concept.The Hadith you qouted ""Man kaana yu'min billaahi wal yawmil aakhir, fal-yaqul khairan AW LIYASMUT" may not be related about questioning rather about propagating false material. Secondly you have not given any Reference of this Hadith.It is against the policy of the forum not to mention anything without proper reference.
As far as question is concerned ,it is mother of Knowledge .Questions give your true picture ,and insight of matter under discussion.
The Holy Quran says ;
فَاسْأَلُواْ أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِن كُنتُمْ لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ﴿16:43﴾

So ask the people of the message if you do not know​

.
At another place Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) questioned to Allah (swt).
وَإِذْ قَالَ إِبْرَاهِيمُ رَبِّ أَرِنِي كَيْفَ تُحْيِـي الْمَوْتَى قَالَ أَوَلَمْ تُؤْمِن قَالَ بَلَى وَلَـكِن لِّيَطْمَئِنَّ قَلْبِي(2:260)

Call to mind the other event also, when Abraham said, "My Lord, show me how Thou bringest the dead back to life?" He said "Have you no faith in this?" Abraham humbly replied, "I do believe but I ask this to reassure my heart.​

This clearly indicates that questioning is absolutely permissible for SATIFICATION OF MIND and that is a positive thing.

 

[czgibson]

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Greetings,

perhaps you are under some false impression that your opinion matters? If I wanted your feedback, I wouldn't have posted the original thread in Arabic, buzz off!

You were trying to keep it secret from the kaffirs?

I wonder why. :?

Peace

 

[syilla]

Re: فاعتبروا يا أولى الألباب

Greetings,


You were trying to keep it secret from the kaffirs?

I wonder why. :?

Peace

lol...she said not wanting your feedback not hiding it from you.

 

[czgibson]

Re: فاعتبروا يا أولى الألباب

Greetings,

lol...she said not wanting your feedback not hiding it from you.

Putting what is essentially a paranoid piece of nastiness in Arabic is a pretty good way of hiding it from kaffirs, actually.

Peace

 

[- Qatada -]

Re: فاعتبروا يا أولى الألباب

Greetings,


Putting what is essentially a paranoid piece of nastiness in Arabic is a pretty good way of hiding it from kaffirs, actually.

Peace

The hadith is in arabic, how is it 'nastiness' if it's a Prophecy? Isn't there similar in the OT and the NT?

 

[czgibson]

Re: فاعتبروا يا أولى الألباب

Greetings,

The hadith is in arabic, how is it 'nastiness' if it's a Prophecy? Isn't there similar in the OT and the NT?

Yes, of course! The Bible is a hugely violent book, as everyone knows.

I'm not sure how something being a prophecy somehow prevents it from being deeply unpleasant.

Peace

 

[جوري]

Re: فاعتبروا يا أولى الألباب

Greetings,


You were trying to keep it secret from the kaffirs?

I wonder why. :?

Peace

Sometimes it is nice not to have the regulars peddle their excursive remarks-- but I can see that it isn't an impediment!

peace to you!