non muslim women dress up as muslims

[zarhad]

its true in a way we all whether muslim or none muslim exzude a degree of pride, we want to stand firm on our beliefs and feel just and right, and in a multicultural society we are still like that but we dont want to hurt others feelings or start a fight, its a fine line...ive had woman sit there and try and tell me that there religion is true not mine, i have a very strong faith in islam so i can sit and listen without it effecting my point of view in the least however i try to be respectful but theres a part of me that wants to tell her to stop and tell her how wrong she is and prove to her my way is right.
once and a while ive found myself doing that i usually try to take the calmist aproch possible but yah, there is alot of tension..

 

[zarhad]

religion is a touchy subject your talking about a BELIEF not an opinion...

 

[Amadeus85]

And maybe the problem is that there are simply too many muslims in Europe, and native europeans dont want to allow the islamization of this continent.

 

[zarhad]

thats a bad way to look at it, people should be clasified by there religion - at least not the way you are saying it "the islamization of this continent." there are more then a billion muslims in the world, thats not going to change, 70% of them people pass by every day without knowing what religion they are, so i dont think thats it, and i hope thats not it...thats just sad

 

[zarhad]

correction: shouldn't be classified by religion

 

[Cognescenti]

Speaking of Muslim dress for women, I was at an outdoor mall with restaurants (serving plenty of alcohol, btw) and stores, comedy club..etc., etc, in Irvine, California this weekend. Orange County and LA have become amazingly cosmopolitan, but I was a bit surprised by the numbers of Muslims there (many hundreds). I knew Irivne had a very big Persian community (mostly not observant in the past) but most weren't Persian.

These observations: the older women (>25 let's say) were wearing headscarves and elegant long gowns. Most of the younger women weren't wearing headscarves and many of the men were dressed like they were getting ready to cut the grass (short pants, athletic socks, running shoes, T-shirts..etc etc)

So, here is the question. Is this a reflection of cultural homogenization? Are the younger women not properly observant? And what about the establishments serving alcohol. Granted, there is no public drinking and no inappropriate behavior, but is this permitted for observant Muslims to be in a commerical establishment like this?

 

[Kittygyal]

Speaking of Muslim dress for women, I was at an outdoor mall with restaurants (serving plenty of alcohol, btw) and stores, comedy club..etc., etc, in Irvine, California this weekend. Orange County and LA have become amazingly cosmopolitan, but I was a bit surprised by the numbers of Muslims there (many hundreds). I knew Irivne had a very big Persian community (mostly not observant in the past) but most weren't Persian.

These observations: the older women (>25 let's say) were wearing headscarves and elegant long gowns. Most of the younger women weren't wearing headscarves and many of the men were dressed like they were getting ready to cut the grass (short pants, athletic socks, running shoes, T-shirts..etc etc)

Greetings.

LOL. did you notice that today blud? come to chiy town and it's even worse there, cali aint that bad.

That happens alot in USA it's actually erm lets say 92%

i would rekon not all women are dressed modest either see the in mall OM.. it would be like there's no tommorrow.

 

[Sarada]

Here in Toronto, Canada, when my daughter and her husband are coming for dinner, I wear a hijab to go to the muslim grocery store to buy halal meat. A few people stare at me, but no one is rude, it's just a part of normal life to look at someone who is dressed differently.

I get looks from people, too, when I am wearing a sari on the way to the mandir. A blonde woman wearing a sari is still an uncommon sight.

If I were to wear a "dirndl", the costume of my own country, Germany, I'm sure I would also get stares.

These ladies in Denmark are to applauded for "walking a mile in someone else's shoes".

 

[Kittygyal]

Here in Toronto, Canada, when my daughter and her husband are coming for dinner, I wear a hijab to go to the muslim grocery store to buy halal meat. A few people stare at me, but no one is rude, it's just a part of normal life to look at someone who is dressed differently.

I get looks from people, too, when I am wearing a sari on the way to the mandir. A blonde woman wearing a sari is still an uncommon sight.

If I were to wear a "dirndl", the costume of my own country, Germany, I'm sure I would also get stares.

These ladies in Denmark are to applauded for "walking a mile in someone else's shoes".

Hi.

Don't you just hate it when you walk down the street's and peep's stare at you out of blue?

I mean i look like a christain as i 'was' a christain and when i wear asian clothes (that was when i was well and used to go out in local) people used to just stare at me because seeing an white skinn'd dudette walking in local with asian clothes is way out of order for them UHM!

 

[Fishman]

And maybe the problem is that there are simply too many muslims in Europe, and native europeans dont want to allow the islamization of this continent.

What 'Islamization'? The only parts of Europe that have been 'Islamised' are the Balkans, and that took hundreds of years. Europe does not have an Islamic culture, and probably won't until the time of the Mahdi and the return of Jesus (peace be upon him). A lot of Muslims seem to think that Europe will soon be a Muslim country, but being realistic it probably won't be happening any time soon.
And its a bit of a generalisation to say that native Europeans want to slow Muslim immigration. I'm a native European, and I obviously don't, and neither do my parents, to my knowledge. In fact the only people who I personally know that want to slow immigration considerably are some rather ignorant teenagers.

 

[Amadeus85]

Hi.

Don't you just hate it when you walk down the street's and peep's stare at you out of blue?

I mean i look like a christain as i 'was' a christain and when i wear asian clothes (that was when i was well and used to go out in local) people used to just stare at me because seeing an white skinn'd dudette walking in local with asian clothes is way out of order for them UHM!

Terrible, another example of cruel persecutions in this racist Europe. Maybe you should call cops :?

 

[Kittygyal]

Terrible, another example of cruel persecutions in this racist Europe. Maybe you should call cops :?

Hi.

Cops?? just for staring at me LOL

i aint from UK blud im from USA im just at UK for abit more longer before i go back to USA, so it doesn't bother me

 

[abby]

Ummm, you said Most Christians!!!, I thought that there is no problem for them to wear what they want, rarely if I would see a Christian cares to wear an acceptable clothes except Nuns and some Christian women in suburbs, the case is better with Jewish who cares to cover up their women, but your post are very interesting, you also said that some Amish and Mennonites have more stricter way of dressing than Muslims, so could you explain it more, also if you please have links "website" for those sects of Christians I'd be glad.

Peace

You were inquiring about the Amish and the Mennonites. Check out these websites: www.amish-heartland.com or http://www.amishcountry.org/ and for the Mennonites, check out http://history.mennonite.net/ To learn about the Pentecostals, look up http://www.upci.org/ To learn about the Mormans, look up http://www.mormancentral.com Mormans believe in having more than one wife. The Amish people don't drive cars or use electricity or anything modern. They drive horses and carriages, and the women wear bonnets and long dresses with petticoats, just like in the 19th century. The men all wear a green shirt under blue overalls with a black top hat. They live life as if they were living in the year 1850. Mennonites are a branch of Annabaptists who separated from the Amish, and adopted a slightly more modern way of dress. The women still wear long dresses, but they all wear a smaller white bonnet on their heads. I think the men dress more like regular men. Pentecostal Christians have a very strict dress code. The men can pretty much wear whatever they want, but the women can barely step out of the house without covering every thing up. They have to wear a long skirt down to their ankles, and the sleeves have to be down to the wrist, and they can't cut their hair or wear any make up or jewelry, and they have to pin their hair up.
Most types of Christians have a dress code of some sort. I never wear tight short clothes. People that do wear stuff like that are just trashy low class people. It's not a question of whether or not they are a Christian, it just means they are low class and should be ignored.

 

[Amadeus85]

What 'Islamization'? The only parts of Europe that have been 'Islamised' are the Balkans, and that took hundreds of years

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Europe does not have an Islamic culture,

Well, a bit in Spain and in Balkans, but its true that Europe was build on judeo-christian values, and islam is something new in western Europe, cuz this immigration began about 30 years ago.

A lot of Muslims seem to think that Europe will soon be a Muslim country,

Yes and this is the problem, because there are also muslim organizations who support islamization, and single muslims are just puppets in their hands often.

but being realistic it probably won't be happening any time soon.

I hope.

And its a bit of a generalisation to say that native Europeans want to slow Muslim immigration.

Well, just look how popular are anti islamistic (not anti islamic !) parties in Europe, Belgium, Holland, France, Denmark.

I'm a native European,

Yes but you are a muslim too, so its obvious that you dont mind the islamization.

In fact the only people who I personally know that want to slow immigration considerably are some rather ignorant teenagers.

Well, i guess that not only teenagers voted for Sarkozy for example.

 

[Amadeus85]

Hi.

Cops?? just for staring at me LOL

i aint from UK blud im from USA im just at UK for abit more longer before i go back to USA, so it doesn't bother me

Dear lady, it was a sarcasm. :nervous: Big sarcasm.