God's Warriors

[czgibson]

Greetings,

What Aaron is speaking of are the millions of Christians who speak out and against abortion and are actively engaged in non-violent protest.

a) That wasn't clear from his post.
b) The programme talked specifically about "Christians" bombing abortion clinics. So I guess the verdict Aaron gave on the programme here:

Im sorry to say this but for me this programm is just simply anti christian propaganda. This programme compares conservative (radical?) christians who take part in cultural struggle against abortion and against legalizing same sex marriages, with muslim terrorists who kill people. For me its insane.

can be safely ignored.

Those few who have resorted to violence are an abomination.

Absolutely, but they did it in the name of their beliefs. They thought that their beliefs gave them the right to behave that way. That is the problem.

Peace

 

[NoName55]

I watched it. I thought it was really good.
Kind of blows the Zionist control of CNN though. :skeleton:

I would guess that is why Islamarama is already criticizing shows that have not aired.

I am surprised at Aaron85 though. “anti christian propaganda” The Christian Warriors has not aired yet. Though Aaron and I have been on different sides of the fence in the past, I thought he was generally opened minded. Quite the opponent of Islamarama who in my opinion has never looked at the other side of the coin.
And I’m shocked by Keltoi’s “ditto”.

But any way, I thought it was excellent and I will watch tonight and tomorrow.

Ditto!

(hey! hey! what is happening to me?)

 

[wilberhum]

Ditto!

(hey! hey! what is happening to me?)

NoName, is that you?
Na, what did you do with NoName?

It was presented in as unbias unjudgmental way as possable. IMHO

Anyway, good to meet you on the same side of the street. :shade:

 

[Amadeus85]

Greetings,


Cultural struggle against abortion? You mean bombing abortion clinics? How is that different from terrorism? Smaller body-count so far, granted, but there is a clear moral equivalence.

Peace

So frequently (by atheists, muslims,) showing those christians who bomb abortion clinics is as fair as it would be always mentioning Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot in talking about atheism. Got it?

 

[wilberhum]

So frequently (by atheists, muslims,) showing those christians who bomb abortion clinics is as fair as it would be always mentioning Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot in talking about atheism. Got it?

I don't get it.
Did Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot, commit there evil to spread atheism?
When they murdered someone did they say this will make "No God" pleased?
I see the same conection as between a fish and a bicycle.

But that's just me.

 

[snakelegs]

communism was very much like a religion in my opinion.
they even had a place for pilgrimage in lenin's tomb.

 

[Fishman]

I don't get it.
Did Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot, commit there evil to spread atheism?
When they murdered someone did they say this will make "No God" pleased?
I see the same conection as between a fish and a bicycle.

But that's just me.

I'm pretty sure Stalin and Pol Pot persecuted people to stop them from believing in God though, one of the important tennents of Marxism is that religion is the opium of the masses, and Stalin and Pol Pot certainly liked to try to exercise Marx's ideas in a big, rather corrupt way...

 

[NoName55]

... and with all that said, Aaron's attempt at hijacking the thread and steering it away from original post and any criticism of The Evangelist has succeeded.

Bravo!

edit:

It is about commies now instead of terrorist etc.

 

[wilberhum]

I'm pretty sure Stalin and Pol Pot persecuted people to stop them from believing in God though, one of the important tennents of Marxism is that religion is the opium of the masses, and Stalin and Pol Pot certainly liked to try to exercise Marx's ideas in a big, rather corrupt way...

stop them from believing in God? I don't think so.
I think it is simply about power.
Religion is a power and none of them were willing to share power.

 

[snakelegs]

i don't have a tv and haven't watched all the promos yet, but it looks to me like it is a pretty fair overview.

 

[Keltoi]

I don't know, I will give it a chance. However, like I said, I have my doubts about any documentary which seeks to create some moral equivalancy between American Evangelicals and terrorists. Notice I didn't say Islamic terrorists, that isn't even the issue. I just don't want to see the statements of Rosie O'Donnel about U.S. Christianity being the same as the Taliban adopted into a documentary. That was and remains my only concern.

 

[Isambard]

So frequently (by atheists, muslims,) showing those christians who bomb abortion clinics is as fair as it would be always mentioning Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot in talking about atheism. Got it?

Apples and Oranges.

Atheism is a lack of believe in a deity(s). Thats it.

Cant get an ideology out of a negative.

To give you and example. Stalin didnt believe in fairies. Neither did Jesus or Muhammed.

Were Jesus and Muhammed then communists?

See the problem?

 

[snakelegs]

I don't know, I will give it a chance. However, like I said, I have my doubts about any documentary which seeks to create some moral equivalancy between American Evangelicals and terrorists. Notice I didn't say Islamic terrorists, that isn't even the issue. I just don't want to see the statements of Rosie O'Donnel about U.S. Christianity being the same as the Taliban adopted into a documentary. That was and remains my only concern.

when it comes down to the individual doing a specific act, to me it seems to be equivalent.

 

[Keltoi]

when it comes down to the individual doing a specific act, to me it seems to be equivalent.

Actually I'm forced to agree with you when I begin to use your line of reasoning. Of course Eric Rudolph is no better than Muhammed Atta. I suppose I'm guilty of the same group protection reaction that many Muslims seem drawn to. Kudos for making a good point.

 

[Amadeus85]

I don't get it.
Did Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot, commit there evil to spread atheism?
When they murdered someone did they say this will make "No God" pleased?
I see the same conection as between a fish and a bicycle.

But that's just me.

No but Stalin for example killed hundreds of priests and burned thousands of churches to destroy religion in Russia. He did it because he thought that atheism is superior to religion, and faith is dangerous for communist's rule.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

So frequently (by atheists, muslims,) showing those christians who bomb abortion clinics is as fair as it would be always mentioning Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot in talking about atheism. Got it?

[The choice of Hitler in that group is an odd one. I always thought his religious views were ambiguous. See here:

Hitler's Religious Beliefs]

In any case, the point you're attempting to make is clear, but I don't understand why you think it is unfair.

No sensible person thinks that all Christians bomb abortion clinics, any more than they think that all Muslims are terrorists, but the point is that, as well as having potential for great good, religions do also have great potential for misuse and wrongdoing.

The communist dictators you mention were atheists, following Karl Marx, whose ideas they claimed to be working from. There are two important things to remember here:

1. Marx's main project in his life (and his legacy to the world) is a far-reaching critique of capitalist society. What should replace it was an idea only sketched out by Marx; his followers completed the project as they saw fit.

2. Atheism is undeniably an important part of Marx's dialectical materialism, but it is not the most important part. His ideas are chiefly concerned with what he called 'Political Economy'; he actually wrote comparatively little about religion.

Communism is essentially an economic idea, not a mission to rid the world of religion. To say that Stalin and Pol Pot committed their atrocities in the name of atheism is absurd: they believed a lot of other things besides 'there is no god'.

Christians who bomb abortion clinics claim to be doing the Lord's work, as do Islamic suicide bombers. We think of them as wrong, of course, and possibly unrepresentative, but there is no doubt where their allegiances lie. Look at this lot, for example:

Abortion-related violence

They sincerely believe they are doing the right thing, and there is little anyone can say to stop them, because they have faith on their side.

Peace

 

[wilberhum]

No but Stalin for example killed hundreds of priests and burned thousands of churches to destroy religion in Russia. He did it because he thought that atheism is superior to religion, and faith is dangerous for communist's rule.

When thing go fast, it is easy to miss a post.
I said in post 29:

stop them from believing in God? I don't think so.
I think it is simply about power.
Religion is a power and none of them were willing to share power.

 

[Isambard]

When thing go fast, it is easy to miss a post.
I said in post 29:

He skipped over mine too :-\

 

[north_malaysian]

I've seen Jewish God's Warrior last night (9.00 PM Malaysian Time).

I'm shocked to see that a western media like CNN exposed about Jewish settlements - on how illegal and tricky those settlements were established.

And also about AIPAC and Jerusalem Reclamation Programme too...

Tonight... it supposed to be Muslim God's Warriors right?.... Inshallah I'll be watching it too.

 

[snakelegs]

i don't know about fox news, but it is quite possible to find articles about settler terrorism and illegal settlements. you can also find these things in the hebrew press btw.