Why Islam is not Acceptable to West!!!

[snakelegs]

they are muslims, but i do not neccessarily think they had the best islamic education.....

 

[AB517]

Each of these things are against Islam and so Muslims will never study them.

When Europe becomes Islamic all the great paintings of history must be destroyed because the great bulk of them have people or Christianity as their subjects.

I rememeber the Afghani Muslims destroying the great statues in the name of Islam. The statues of Europe are next.

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Beethoven? Against Islam ... is that true?

If it is ... this is why we fear Islam and any other fundamental religion.
Allah inspired the leaders of USA to look at things totally different.
Separation of church and state.

Question is where is the perfect middle ground. I see running a country on 1 religious idea as a bad thing ... so does God ... he knows the limitations of any religion ... just look around the world and at world history.

Running a country on no-god ... well that is equally as bad.

When a bible thumper and a Jehad-ist …hug ... that’s when things will improve ... that is the last judgment ... the gap will be closed... atonement completed.

This simple notion can and should include all religious people. If you don’t understand this … the hate will continue … satan will be around.

 

[Isambard]

Beethoven? Against Islam ... is that true?

If it is ... this is why we fear Islam and any other fundamental religion.
Allah inspired the leaders of USA to look at things totally different.
Separation of church and state.

Question is where is the perfect middle ground. I see running a country on 1 religious idea as a bad thing ... so does God ... he knows the limitations of any religion ... just look around the world and at world history.

Running a country on no-god ... well that is equally as bad.

When a bible thumper and a Jehad-ist …hug ... that’s when things will improve ... that is the last judgment ... the gap will be closed... atonement completed.

This simple notion can and should include all religious people. If you don’t understand this … the hate will continue … satan will be around.

How is a no-god state equally as bad as a theocracy?

Theocracies tend to be brutal, violent, xenophobic and oppose any sort of progress. How does a secular state compare?

 

[wilberhum]

How is a no-god state equally as bad as a theocracy?

Theocracies tend to be brutal, violent, xenophobic and oppose any sort of progress. How does a secular state compare?

My assumption "no-god" was referring to communism. Not to secular democracy.

To that I would agree a theocracy is just as bad as communism.

 

[YusufNoor]

It isn't hard to understand. The Muslims have left Islam, overall. They don't practise it. Muslims countries are lead based on a system other than the Shariah. This is a very serious crime, and if the conditions are met, would render the person a non-Muslim, even though he considers himself Muslim. The people generally aren't better. Major sins are common place. Unfortunately the 'bad; Muslim greatly out way the 'good' Muslims.

The Muslim is punished in this life. They are trying to find success by abandoning their religion. They will never find success through this. Thus they are punished by failure (and other means) in this life. Hopefully the punishment will be an expiation for their sins and so they won't need to be punished additionally in the next life.

The opposite applies to non-Muslims. They are rewarded in this life and punished in the next life. Thus you see the good living condition and the like, in general, the success, etc, is a result of the good that they do, they are rewarded in this life, and will be punished upon resurrection.

Peace be upon those who follow guidance,

Malaikah wrote an excellant post, however, it seems to be a wasted effort. BEFORE we can deal with

Why Islam is not Acceptable to West!!!

we need to deal with

Why Islam is not Acceptable to Muslims!!!

THEN and ONLY then we there be any chance of "THE WEST" accepting Islam! although many in the west ARE accepting Islam, the hard part is trying to find Muslims that are actually following Islam! :exhausted

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

I think you will find that some Muslims have studied them as subjects.

I would guess very few people born into Islam in an Islamic country would choose to study Western literature, music or painting. I could be wrong, but I'd be surprised if as many as 5% of the Muslims on this board could say anything interesting about any of those artists.

An academic study is not necessarily for the purpose of enjoyment or for agreement. Understanding and a desire to understand does not require agreement.

No, but academic study is hugely valuable for gaining knowledge. Muslims told from an early age to avoid 'imitating the kuffar' and banned from listening to music or having portraits are unlikely to develop much intellectual curiosity about the societies that others live in. Many Muslims are only interested in science to the extent that it can bolster arguments for the veracity of the Qur'an or provide nifty technology. If the Islamic world used its combined intellect in anything other than a passive, subservient way then it could begin to catch up with the West, and might even become a global hotbed of learning once again.

One big reason why Islam is unacceptable to the West is that many Westerners suspect that Islam is culturally hostile to free inquiry. I've said this before and been reprimanded for it, but every time I'm on this forum I see more and more evidence to support it. The Qur'an encourages Muslims to seek knowledge on many occasions; how many truly do?

Peace

 

[Amadeus85]

I think that islam is acceptable in West, but islamic imperialism should be stopped here.

 

[Skywalker]

I would guess very few people born into Islam in an Islamic country would choose to study Western literature, music or painting. I could be wrong, but I'd be surprised if as many as 5% of the Muslims on this board could say anything interesting about any of those artists.

I don't know if Egypt counts as an Islamic country (we're 96% Muslim but are governed by secular law -- actually it's French emergency law )...nevertheless we have countless numbers of university students studying fine arts, etc. A lot of people take an interest in that kind of stuff, certainly a lot more than you think.

One big reason why Islam is unacceptable to the West is that many Westerners suspect that Islam is culturally hostile to free inquiry. I've said this before and been reprimanded for it, but every time I'm on this forum I see more and more evidence to support it. The Qur'an encourages Muslims to seek knowledge on many occasions; how many truly do?

I can agree with that statement, and all I can say is that right now...we're weak. The gloablization of the western culture and ideals (materialism, neverending entertainment, etc.) has had a profound effect on Muslims on a global scale, making them confused about what's really important in life. If all Muslims of today followed Islam the way that they're supposed to, the global Islamic community would definetely not be in the state that it's in now. Sadly to say though, a lot of the modern day Muslim youth and adults have forgotten what Islam is, don't practice anything that it teaches, and (this might come as a shock to you) don't even know what it teaches! They've never even been introduced to it because their (secularly-oriented) parents didn't think it was necessary. There are a lot of people like this, heck I'd say the majority of the Egyptian population is like this.

The strange thing is that on one side, we're declining steadily, losing our Islamic identity, our morals, our values, ... but on the other side, we're also growing. A lot of younger people are also taking a fresh new interest in Islam. We can only hope that more and more people see the light and follow it. May Allah guide the Muslim ummah to knowledge and piety. Ameen.

 

[Muezzin]

Each of these things are against Islam and so Muslims will never study them.

Um.. No. I've studied Shakespeare and appreciate his works as the great pieces of literature they are. I have not studied in detail Rembrandt and Beethoven, but this is due more to my own taste (or lack thereof, ha!), but I can appreciate art and even the work that goes into classical musical compositions. I suppose everbody else who isn't into fine art or classical music must also be, by your implication, anti-European/anti-American/anti-Australasian or otherwise a pain in the neck.

I fail to see your point. I also fail to see how literature, art and every single form of music is against Islam. Perhaps you've misunderstood a ruling?

When Europe becomes Islamic all the great paintings of history must be destroyed because the great bulk of them have people or Christianity as their subjects.

Scare-monger much?

I rememeber the Afghani Muslims destroying the great statues in the name of Islam. The statues of Europe are next.

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As above.

I could be wrong, but I'd be surprised if as many as 5% of the Muslims on this board could say anything interesting about any of those artists.

What percentage of people on the street could say something interesting about fine art? My point being, it has little to do with religion and everything to do with individual taste.

I can agree with that statement, and all I can say is that right now...we're weak. The gloablization of the western culture and ideals (materialism, neverending entertainment, etc.) has had a profound effect on Muslims on a global scale, making them confused about what's really important in life. If all Muslims of today followed Islam the way that they're supposed to, the global Islamic community would definetely not be in the state that it's in now. Sadly to say though, a lot of the modern day Muslim youth and adults have forgotten what Islam is, don't practice anything that it teaches, and (this might come as a shock to you) don't even know what it teaches! They've never even been introduced to it because their (secularly-oriented) parents didn't think it was necessary. There are a lot of people like this, heck I'd say the majority of the Egyptian population is like this.

The strange thing is that on one side, we're declining steadily, losing our Islamic identity, our morals, our values, ... but on the other side, we're also growing. A lot of younger people are also taking a fresh new interest in Islam. We can only hope that more and more people see the light and follow it. May Allah guide the Muslim ummah to knowledge and piety. Ameen.

Ameen.

To add to what you've said, I await the next Islamic Renaissance, in terms of religious fortitude which leads to and informs scientific, artistic and literary progress. To make this process happen, we as individuals have to stop complaining and actually contribute, big-time, to human progress in these fields. Czgibson is right when he says:

If the Islamic world used its combined intellect in anything other than a passive, subservient way then it could begin to catch up with the West, and might even become a global hotbed of learning once again.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^Nicely said.


Gibson, your here learning about Islam, does that mean you like it? If we dont like something, it doesnt mean we havent learned about it. I mean I've written better papers than people this is ok for. Does that sound like disinterest to you? I happen to love reading plays and to look at different artwork. Whats your real point in saying all this really? Honestly?

 

[silkworm]

Gibson, Politically can you tell me why weren't the Moslems were labelled as "Terrorists" before 1989 and why after the fall of USSR???

Why the Western Powers dumped "Free World" slogan which was Excessively been used throughout 1975 to 1989???

Why NATO was not disbanded after the collapse of Soviet Union, which was organized in the first place to counter "Warsaw Pact" Countries???

 

[Keltoi]

Gibson, Politically can you tell me why weren't the Moslems were labelled as "Terrorists" before 1989 and why after the fall of USSR???

Why the Western Powers dumped "Free World" slogan which was Excessively been used throughout 1975 to 1989???

Why NATO was not disbanded after the collapse of Soviet Union, which was organized in the first place to counter "Warsaw Pact" Countries???

Are you suggesting no Muslim was considered a terrorist prior to 1989? That is completely false.

Why did the West dump the "Free World" slogan? Probably because it was intended to counter Soviet actions in Eastern Europe and elsewhere. With the fall of the Soviet Union, we were all hoping Russia would join the ranks of the "Free World". Unfortunately that seems to be less likely with each passing year.


As for NATO, I don't see it as being particularly effective, but I don't see the U.N. as being all that effective either. However, I suppose any agreement between nations to face common threats is a good thing, even if it is a paper tiger.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Gibson, your here learning about Islam, does that mean you like it? If we dont like something, it doesnt mean we havent learned about it.

The difference is that I'm not actively discouraged from studying Islam.

I mean I've written better papers than people this is ok for. Does that sound like disinterest to you?

I'm not sure what you mean.

I happen to love reading plays and to look at different artwork. Whats your real point in saying all this really? Honestly?

I'm pointing out one reason why Islam is not acceptable to the West. The Buddha statutes being blown up by the Taliban constitute an example of cultural vandalism that is totally abhorrent to Westerners, and while such an action is not necessarily representative of mainstream Islam, many Westerners believe (rightly or wrongly) that it is.

Peace

 

[silkworm]

Gibson Bro: You are mixing Religions with Politics, you need to keep them separate, as they are. You are talking about Taliban but are forgetting the fact the "Talibans" were organizsed by US sponsored CIA agents who wanted a strong force to face the Soviets in Afghanistan.

You are also forgetting that Moslems "do not" agree with their "extremist views", you have also failed to keep in mind that "personal interpretation" of Qur'anic verses stands different than the universally understood message as given by Qu'ran.

Prophet Mohammad pbuh strictly passed the orders to not to harm women, children, un-armed men, and men who laid down their weapons, now this is a very simple and clear message - there is no hidden message in this. Allah says to respect life of your own and the life of others - So "suicide bombers" who are doing this have nothing to do with Islam as "suicide" is also said to be "Haram" (taboo).

Actually, the Western men are still clinging to the ideas presented by the first white man who copied the Qur'an and did a translation on it who was himself not "fluent" in Arabic.
I can post here some excerpts from Victor Hugo and others who had distorted readings from Qur'an.

 

[wilberhum]

You are talking about Taliban but are forgetting the fact the "Talibans" were organizsed by US sponsored CIA agents who wanted a strong force to face the Soviets in Afghanistan.

We sent some money. Hardly organizsed.
I have said before the US keeps making the same stupid mistake. They keep thinking the enemy of my enemy is my friend. They keep forgetting that when the common enemy is gone, you simply have a new, and stronger, enemy.

 

[Haidar_Abbas]

dont believe all you see on TV, and i wouldnt watch it too much its not healthy

 

[wilberhum]

dont believe all you see on TV, and i wouldnt watch it too much its not healthy

Right! Ignore facts. Head in sand knowledge? :-\

 

[Haidar_Abbas]

i dont accept ANYTHING stated by a secularist as fact, its why theres uliema alhamdulillah end

 

[wilberhum]

i dont accept ANYTHING stated by a secularist as fact, its why theres uliema alhamdulillah end

What is the old saying.
"Ignorance is Bliss".
Some people are really full of "Bliss".

 

[Haidar_Abbas]

im not falling into this trap , moving on..........