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Wrong? There are no country that uses "Your Laws", so it is no different than "No Law".

O really Billy boy?

[PIE]How is Islamic personal law implemented today?
Islamic principles still form the foundations of the legal code governing marriage, divorce, and inheritance in most Islamic nations. On the other hand, many nations have changed classical sharia restrictions, often to expand the rights of women. Such changes have become a major human rights and women's rights issue in the Muslim world, pitting reformists--who want to modernize the law and bring it into line with international norms--against Islamists, "who want the restoration of Islamic law lock, stock, and barrel," Powers says.

What are the traditional sharia laws governing personal status issues?
Marriage: Islamic marriage is a contract between a man and a woman. In the broadest of terms, the husband pledges to support his wife in exchange for her obedience, Brown says. Women can demand certain rights by writing them into the marriage contract, but the man is the head of the family, and traditionally, a wife may not act against her husband's wishes. (The Quran permits men to use physical force against disobedient wives in some circumstances, Powers says.) Traditional practices still have significant impact on modern law: in Yemen and other nations, a woman cannot work if her husband expressly forbids it. In Syria, a wife can work without her husband's consent, if she renounces her claim on him for financial support. Undersharia, a Muslim woman cannot be married legally to a non-Muslim man, but a Muslim man can be married to a non-Muslim woman. Marriages can traditionally take place at young ages--in Iran, the age of consent is 13 for females and 15 for males, and younger with a court's permission. In Yemen, the minimum marriage age is 15.

Divorce: Under sharia, the husband has the unilateral right to divorce his wife without cause. He can accomplish this by uttering the phrase "I divorce you" three times over the course of three months. If he does divorce her, he must pay her a sum of money agreed to before the wedding in the marriage contract and permit her to keep her dowry, Powers says. Classicalsharia lays out very limited conditions under which a woman can divorce a man--he must be infertile at the time of marriage; insane; or have leprosy or another contagious skin disease. Most Islamic nations, including Egypt and Iran, now allow women to sue for divorce for many other reasons, including the failure to provide financial support.

Polygamy:
The Quran gives men the right to have up to four wives. There are some traditional limitations: a man must treat all co-wives equitably, provide them with separate dwellings, and acknowledge in a marriage contract his other spouses, if any. A woman cannot forbid the practice, but can insist on a divorce if her husband takes a second wife. Polygamy remains on the books in most Islamic countries, but some countries limit it through legislation. It is banned in Tunisia and Turkey, though reportedly it is still practiced in some areas of Turkey.
Custody: In a divorce, the children traditionally belong to the father, but the mother has the right to care for them while they are young, Powers says. The age at which a mother loses custody differs from nation to nation. In Iran, the mother's custody ends at seven for boys and girls; in Pakistan, it's seven for boys and puberty for girls. Many nations, however, allow courts to extend the mother's custody if it is deemed in the child's interest.

Inheritance: Mothers, wives, and daughters are guaranteed an inheritance in the case of a man's death. In the seventh century A.D., when the law was developed, this was a major step forward for women, Powers says. However, sharia also dictates that men inherit twice the share of women because, traditionally, men were responsible for women, Powers says.
Are non-Muslims bound by personal status sharia courts?

Generally speaking, no. Minorities in Muslim nations are generally governed under separate personal-status laws reflecting their own traditions, experts say. In Egypt, for example, Coptic Christians marry under Christian law, and foreigners marry under the laws of their countries of origin, Brown says. Criminal law, which is generally no longer based on sharia, applies to both foreigners and citizens.

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Unfortunately it is not fully implemented by any Islamic nation, but the Shairah laws are still being applied.
 
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^^^what does this bunk have to do with women's rights in Islam?.. I swore off this section for the month of Ramadan.. I can't help but be amused in the occasion I see one of these threads on main.

If the law isn't enforced by the state, it will be enforced by the next best thing which is the family, if not the family then the individual, if not in the individual where can be visibly seen and acted, then in the heart which is the weakest form ( ad3af al-iman)
Islamic laws are very much implemented by units that choose to follow guidance until such a time when an Islamic state enforces the rights of the individual..
You want to know how opressed Muslim women are whether under the empire or in a family unit? ... I suggest you ask them!..
There was a time when a whole army would rise for the honor of just one woman mal-treated.. now they get raped by the handful while secular law applauds.. Govt. and political units only look for ways to decriminalize savagery.

Isn't it about time we took out the refuse on these threads? Or are the Muslims conjointly torpid?

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O really Billy boy?

[PIE]How is Islamic personal law implemented today?
Islamic principles still form the foundations of the legal code governing marriage, divorce, and inheritance in most Islamic nations. On the other hand, many nations have changed classical sharia restrictions, often to expand the rights of women. Such changes have become a major human rights and women's rights issue in the Muslim world, pitting reformists--who want to modernize the law and bring it into line with international norms--against Islamists, "who want the restoration of Islamic law lock, stock, and barrel," Powers says.

What are the traditional sharia laws governing personal status issues?
Marriage: Islamic marriage is a contract between a man and a woman. In the broadest of terms, the husband pledges to support his wife in exchange for her obedience, Brown says. Women can demand certain rights by writing them into the marriage contract, but the man is the head of the family, and traditionally, a wife may not act against her husband's wishes. (The Quran permits men to use physical force against disobedient wives in some circumstances, Powers says.) Traditional practices still have significant impact on modern law: in Yemen and other nations, a woman cannot work if her husband expressly forbids it. In Syria, a wife can work without her husband's consent, if she renounces her claim on him for financial support. Undersharia, a Muslim woman cannot be married legally to a non-Muslim man, but a Muslim man can be married to a non-Muslim woman. Marriages can traditionally take place at young ages--in Iran, the age of consent is 13 for females and 15 for males, and younger with a court's permission. In Yemen, the minimum marriage age is 15.
Divorce: Under sharia, the husband has the unilateral right to divorce his wife without cause. He can accomplish this by uttering the phrase "I divorce you" three times over the course of three months. If he does divorce her, he must pay her a sum of money agreed to before the wedding in the marriage contract and permit her to keep her dowry, Powers says. Classicalsharia lays out very limited conditions under which a woman can divorce a man--he must be infertile at the time of marriage; insane; or have leprosy or another contagious skin disease. Most Islamic nations, including Egypt and Iran, now allow women to sue for divorce for many other reasons, including the failure to provide financial support.
Polygamy: The Quran gives men the right to have up to four wives. There are some traditional limitations: a man must treat all co-wives equitably, provide them with separate dwellings, and acknowledge in a marriage contract his other spouses, if any. A woman cannot forbid the practice, but can insist on a divorce if her husband takes a second wife. Polygamy remains on the books in most Islamic countries, but some countries limit it through legislation. It is banned in Tunisia and Turkey, though reportedly it is still practiced in some areas of Turkey.
Custody: In a divorce, the children traditionally belong to the father, but the mother has the right to care for them while they are young, Powers says. The age at which a mother loses custody differs from nation to nation. In Iran, the mother's custody ends at seven for boys and girls; in Pakistan, it's seven for boys and puberty for girls. Many nations, however, allow courts to extend the mother's custody if it is deemed in the child's interest.
Inheritance: Mothers, wives, and daughters are guaranteed an inheritance in the case of a man's death. In the seventh century A.D., when the law was developed, this was a major step forward for women, Powers says. However, sharia also dictates that men inherit twice the share of women because, traditionally, men were responsible for women, Powers says.
Are non-Muslims bound by personal status sharia courts?
Generally speaking, no. Minorities in Muslim nations are generally governed under separate personal-status laws reflecting their own traditions, experts say. In Egypt, for example, Coptic Christians marry under Christian law, and foreigners marry under the laws of their countries of origin, Brown says. Criminal law, which is generally no longer based on sharia, applies to both foreigners and citizens.

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Unfortunately it is not fully implemented by any Islamic nation, but the Shairah laws are still being applied.

Great post.. thanks
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^^ you should quit period and give us all a break from this quality of wearisome monotony..
 
Z.AL-Rashid
I quit when I saw:

I have been informed many times that there are no Islamic Nations'

It is wrong to say their is no Islamic Nation, nations where the majority of the people are Muslims are Islamic nations. BUT! There is not nation which fully implements Shariah, whith a Khalif (Leader of the Muslim nations), hence people say there is no Islamic nation. In other words we have no Khilafah.
 
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I think that is good advise, you should follow it.

Or is it your usual intention to get the thread closed?

Every thread you and your ilk partake in, is as good as tripe and should in fact be binned...
It will be a cold day in hell with its devils ice skating when you part something of substance!
 
It is wrong to say their is no Islamic Nation, nations where the majority of the people are Muslims are Islamic nations. BUT! There is not nation which fully implements Shariah hence people say there is no Islamic nation.
So then to talk about Shariah Law is invalid.

We are back to the laws of the country.

Those laws may or may not be the same as Shariah.

Cut it anyway you want it, the law of the government is what is inforced by the government.
 
Here we go agin.
You insult me.
I post to the topic.
I respond to you insult.
You insult me.
I post to the topic.
Etc Etc Etc
You didn't do very well on the "How about" thread, so now you are back to your old tricks.
 
So then to talk about Shariah Law is invalid.

We are back to the laws of the country.

Those laws may or may not be the same as Shariah.

Cut it anyway you want it, the law of the government is what is inforced by the government.

The Laws are still valid as they are implemented as I have mentioned before. Re-Read post #24, it explains the Laws implemented from Shariah regarding those Issues and those laws are enforced by the goverment in those nations. It is the law of the Islamic nations regarding those Issues. Not everything is black and white wilbie boy :skeleton:

^^^what does this bunk have to do with women's rights in Islam?.. I swore off this section for the month of Ramadan.. I can't help but be amused in the occasion I see one of these threads on main.

If the law isn't enforced by the state, it will be enforced by the next best thing which is the family, if not the family then the individual, if not in the individual where can be visibly seen and acted, then in the heart which is the weakest form ( ad3af al-iman)
Islamic laws are very much implemented by units that choose to follow guidance until such a time when an Islamic state enforces the rights of the individual..
You want to know how opressed Muslim women are whether under the empire or in a family unit? ... I suggest you ask them!..
There was a time when a whole army would rise for the honor of just one woman mal-treated.. now they get raped by the handful while secular law applauds.. Govt. and political units only look for ways to decriminalize savagery.

Isn't it about time we took out the refuse on these threads? Or are the Muslims conjointly torpid?

:w:

Couldn't agree more :thumbs_up :w:
 
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The Laws are still valid as they are implemented as I have mentioned before. Re-Read post #24, it explains the Laws implemented from Shariah regarding those Issues and those laws are enforced by the goverment in those nations. It is the law of the Islamic nations regarding those Issues. Not everything is black and white wilbie boy :skeleton:

The laws are valid because they were implemented by the government.
So you have the laws of the government.
If a Sharian law is not implemented, it is not a law of the land. That simple.
If they get there laws from Moby Dick, they will also be a law of the land.
 
The laws are valid because they were implemented[ by the government.
So you have the laws of the government.
If a Sharian law is not implemented, it is not a law of the land. That simple.
If they get there laws from Moby Dick, they will also be a law of the land.

LOL wilber your making me laugh man. Have you actually read my posts thus far? Answer honestly I, I won't bite ;D
I say this because I have clearly stated that the Laws of Sharia are Implemented, but not fully! I gave examples of which laws from Sharia are implemented. But the Laws of Shariah are not Implemented to other issues such as commerce and foreign policy for example. So it is not BLACK and WHITE. SHariah is still being used but not fully is all.

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LOL that made me laugh as the thought occured that Wilber might use it instead of his usual :skeleton: ;D
 
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It is wrong to say their is no Islamic Nation, nations where the majority of the people are Muslims are Islamic nations. BUT! There is not nation which fully implements Shariah, whith a Khalif (Leader of the Muslim nations), hence people say there is no Islamic nation. In other words we have no Khilafah.

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LOL wilber your making me laugh man. Have you actually read my posts thus far? Answer honestly I, I won't bite ;D
I say this because I have clearly stated that the Laws of Sharia are Implemented, but not fully! I gave examples of which laws from Sharia are implemented. But the Laws of Shariah are not Implemented to other issues such as commerce and foreign policy for example. So it is not BLACK and WHITE. SHariah is still being used but not fully is all.

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LOL that made me laugh as the thought occured that Wilber might use it instead of his usual :skeleton: ;D

But I love my skeleton. It says a lot.

You may continue to believe a law is some book that is not incoperated into any law of any country has some great value. :p

I found out a long time ago that there is no end to what people will believe. :-\
 
only those who understand the mentality/body/sentiments/physical ability etc etc of both genders can truelly prescribe a method in which both are EQUALLY UPLIFTED but in DIFFERENT WAYS !


ive noticed many non-muslims find it extremely difficult to grasp that although men and women do not sit in the same room, doing the same job, drinking from the SAME CUP OF BLASTED TEA they do indeed have their own seperate rights which ascertains their equalitY!


oh and Wilberhum: lol, your funny, if you analyse the posts you'll see that his saying the laws are implemented by the individuals and given enough sanctity by the muslim community to be seen as a truelly binding code of life. This same code of life results in a better life for women. If it was implemented by the country then the non-muslim women will act oppressed due to the sheer amount of brainwashing they have gone through by stupid perverted old nasty men and the media.
 
only those who understand the mentality/body/sentiments/physical ability etc etc of both genders can truelly prescribe a method in which both are EQUALLY UPLIFTED but in DIFFERENT WAYS !


ive noticed many non-muslims find it extremely difficult to grasp that although men and women do not sit in the same room, doing the same job, drinking from the SAME CUP OF BLASTED TEA they do indeed have their own seperate rights which ascertains their equalitY!


oh and Wilberhum: lol, your funny, if you analyse the posts you'll see that his saying the laws are implemented by the individuals and given enough sanctity by the muslim community to be seen as a truelly binding code of life. This same code of life results in a better life for women. If it was implemented by the country then the non-muslim women will act oppressed due to the sheer amount of brainwashing they have gone through by stupid perverted old nasty men and the media.
You may continue to believe a law is some book that is not incoperated into any law of any country has some great value.
 
You may continue to believe a law is some book that is not incoperated into any law of any country has some great value.

LOL, another baseless statement clearly reflecting your ignorance on the matter. What is it you find incapable of understanding in my previous posts? The FACT that Shariah Law is still implemented TODAY in Muslim Countries is not DISPUTED!
 
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i think the word equality is something which can be used in many ways i mean we can say why dont be see women builder bums instead of men....i mean if there is to be equality in that way... and women walking around in swimming trunks....
i think equality is different for both males and females keepin in mind there weaknesses and strenghts generally..
 

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